indonesia consider fining BB 1.5 million dollars for every future outages
- Indonesia considers fining BlackBerry $1.5 million for future BBM outages | memeburn
i think it is fair decision..
Rp 1000 ($0.1) for every Blackberry subsriber if there are outages more then 4 hours.. (not so sure if their total subscriber in indonesia around 15 million the last report said it's around 6.3 million so it's around us$630.000 every outages more then 4 hours)
indonesian local carrier like telkomsel and smartfren give their customers extra data when there is outages...
if the problem come from BB i think they have to give some sort of compensation to their subscriber..besides it's not a free service like whatsapp, line, wechat. we have to pay service fee to BB every month/week/dayanon(4044683) likes this.07-15-13 12:22 PMLike 1 - Someone would need to expand a lot more on the topic before I could go along with it. On the surface it sounds a lot like "American" whining. Just 2 short steps from being compensated when there is an accident on the highway or having to compensate work if you are off/late.07-15-13 12:37 PMLike 0
- Indonesia considers fining BlackBerry $1.5 million for future BBM outages | memeburn
i think it is fair decision..
Rp 1000 ($0.1) for every Blackberry subsriber if there are outages more then 4 hours.. (not so sure if their total subscriber in indonesia around 15 million the last report said it's around 6.3 million so it's around us$630.000 every outages more then 4 hours)
indonesian local carrier like telkomsel and smartfren give their customers extra data when there is outages...
if the problem come from BB i think they have to give some sort of compensation to their subscriber..besides it's not a free service like whatsapp, line, wechat. we have to pay service fee to BB every month/week/day07-15-13 12:40 PMLike 0 - no it's not free.
Carrier and BB split their revenue from BIS plan and BB get a good amount of money from BIS subscriber. that is why you can get cheaper and more data if you subscribe regular data plan in indonesia (BB10, Android, iPhone).
while line and wechat revenue come from sticker sales or advertising. whatsapp revenue come from one time $1 payment.
plus if your internet connection only from wifi you can't use BBM if you not subscribe BIS before.07-15-13 12:57 PMLike 0 - Someone would need to expand a lot more on the topic before I could go along with it. On the surface it sounds a lot like "American" whining. Just 2 short steps from being compensated when there is an accident on the highway or having to compensate work if you are off/late.Someone would need to expand a lot more on the topic before I could go along with it. On the surface it sounds a lot like "American" whining. Just 2 short steps from being compensated when there is an accident on the highway or having to compensate work if you are off/late.
carriers in here give their customers extra data if there are outage ..so why not BB give a compensation to?
FYI :
* from what i know several companies have rules if you late come to work you get a pay cut / bonus cut / minus poin on your work performance report..there's always compensation you must pay.
* highway accident. for every road accident usually the one who guilty have to pay their victim some compensation (or their insurance)anon(4044683) likes this.07-15-13 01:10 PMLike 1 - Sith_ApprenticeMod Team Emerituswe have to pay for BB service. so why we don't get compensation for every outage come from BB ?
carriers in here give their customers extra data if there are outage ..so why not BB give a compensation to?
FYI :
* from what i know several companies have rules if you late come to work you get a pay cut / bonus cut / minus poin on your work performance report..there's always compensation you must pay.
* highway accident. for every road accident usually the one who guilty have to pay their victim some compensation (or their insurance)07-15-13 01:13 PMLike 0 -
carrier have to give their customers extra internet data.
Apple product mostly VAS and it's for free. so i don't think they have to give some sort of compensation if there is some outage with their services.
Google, line, wechat revenue come from advertising. so the one who should get the compensation if there are some problem is their advertisers.
BB charge money to subscribers for their sevices. so i think if there is some kind of problem BB have to give compensation to their subscribers.07-15-13 01:18 PMLike 0 - yes it is carrier who give the compensation/refund directly to BB subscriber. then carrier can charge it to BB, if the problem come from BB07-15-13 01:29 PMLike 0
- Sith_ApprenticeMod Team EmeritusThis would make complete sense, but fining BlackBerry when BlackBerry doesnt make anything directly from subscribers is very odd. Not to mention they make NOTHING on BB10 subscribers.kbz1960 likes this.07-15-13 01:31 PMLike 1
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If you are using a common sense or broad conception of responsibility then rather obviously bb is the responsible party. Funny I recall having to point the same thing about in previous outages...
I assume its not the latter since you admit it makes complete sense... But as to the legal Intricacies , I am simply not informed enough - and doubt many people are here - to comment! I assume bb's fleet of lawyers would take care of it.07-15-13 01:45 PMLike 0 -
if you see from my previous post i kind of differentiate between BIS/BB data plan and regular data plan (BB10).
so if there is some outage or problem for BB10 device i don't think they should get any compensation because it's just like imessage or apple cloud service it's only value added service not paid service
BB get revenue from every BB BIS subscribers (from information i read 2-3years ago, for every BIS Full service subscribers RIM get $5-7) . Carrier only act as a middle man/distributors so it's make sense if subscribers get compensation from carriers and carriers charge it to BB if the problems come from BB07-15-13 01:47 PMLike 0 - 07-15-13 03:46 PMLike 0
- I agree with this. I don't see why the government should fine anyone anything. Blackberry screws up. Carrier gives data to appease customer. Now Blackberry should compensate the carriers, not the government.07-15-13 03:55 PMLike 0
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*we are not china or north korea where information from internet is hard to get. and government easily lying to us or control the information. our internet as free as other countries...
when everyone from different carriers complained on twitter and facebook about outage problem then the problem it is must be come from BB
from i know correct me if i am wrong BB have specific connection /server for different region/country . that is why sometime if there are some outages in indonesia, other country don't have same problem.
if you not sure you can check CB sub forum for BB outage..there are many BB user report specific region only outage
here is the link : http://forums.crackberry.com/service-outages-f156/
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@denise in los angeles
before you make a post , just try to do a simple google search first. it is kind of embarassing you have 7000+ post but have a little bit informationLast edited by garnok; 07-16-13 at 02:18 AM.
anon(4044683) likes this.07-16-13 02:00 AMLike 1 - first :
*we are not china or north korea where information from internet is hard to get. and government easily lying to us or control the information. our internet as free as other countries...
when everyone from different carriers complained on twitter and facebook about outage problem then the problem it is must be come from BB
from i know correct me if i am wrong BB have specific connection /server for different region/country . that is why sometime if there are some outages in indonesia, other country don't have same problem.
if you not sure you can check CB sub forum for BB outage..there are many BB user report specific region only outage
here is the link : http://forums.crackberry.com/service-outages-f156/
PS :
@denise in los angeles
before you make a post , just try to do a simple google search first. it is kind of embarassing you have 7000+ post but have a little bit information07-16-13 02:25 AMLike 0 -
simple google search for indonesian outages 4 times this past one year :
july 3, 2013 http://forums.crackberry.com/service...region-824953/
may 11 and 12, 2013 http://forums.crackberry.com/service...2013-a-805838/
october 3 , 2012 RIM Says BlackBerry Messenger Error Resolved
even RIM admit it is their problem , not carrier problem07-16-13 02:55 AMLike 0
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