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  1. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    exactly right... for what we currently call "BIS". I'm musing aloud about possibilities for a saf funded "hardware VPN" that might yet utilize some modified form of BIS and/or NOC? it would need to be carrier and platform independent, of course.
    Perhaps something through Cylance but it would be Android/iOS based with no hardware offering.
    10-09-19 11:51 AM
  2. idssteve's Avatar
    Perhaps something through Cylance but it would be Android/iOS based with no hardware offering.
    hmm... hardware VPN is probably overkill. lol.
    10-09-19 11:59 AM
  3. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    exactly right... for what we currently call "BIS". I'm musing aloud about possibilities for a saf funded "hardware VPN" that might yet utilize some modified form of BIS and/or NOC infrastructure? it would need to be carrier and platform independent, of course.
    But... why would the average user want or need it?

    BIS provided something other hardware couldn't.... instant PUSH Email. That along with the battery benefits is what made BlackBerry king back then. Not the keyboard, not the security, not the name.

    In the end BIS was a bottle neck for 3G data speeds and with everyone else able to offer Activesync... BIS was doomed outside of still developing markets where 200MB data plans still existed and where a different company owned each tower.
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    10-09-19 11:59 AM
  4. idssteve's Avatar
    But... why would the average user want or need it?

    BIS provided something other hardware couldn't.... instant PUSH Email. That along with the battery benefits is what made BlackBerry king back then. Not the keyboard, not the security, not the name.

    In the end BIS was a bottle neck for 3G data speeds and with everyone else able to offer Activesync... BIS was doomed outside of still developing markets where 200MB data plans still existed and where a different company owned each tower.
    Quite a few software VPN providers seem to be doing well... they do "throttle" speeds somewhat but nearly everyone I know is using "software VPN" ... needed or not. how many users "need" to expose themselves to airport, hotel, public hotspots...??? idk. there are pros/cons to software vs hardware vpn, tho. Sooo that's why I'm asking.
    10-09-19 12:26 PM
  5. app_Developer's Avatar
    Quite a few software VPN providers seem to be doing well... they do "throttle" speeds somewhat but nearly everyone I know is using "software VPN" ... needed or not. how many users "need" to expose themselves to airport, hotel, public hotspots...??? idk. there are pros/cons to software vs hardware vpn, tho. Sooo that's why I'm asking.
    There are a few companies already offering VPNs. What would be different about BB's offering?
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    10-09-19 01:23 PM
  6. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    There are a few companies already offering VPNs. What would be different about BB's offering?
    That's what I mean....

    Yes a VPN is critical today for those interested in security. Just don't get the hardware VPN or how BlackBerry can compete at this point. A BlackBerry VPN might have been the cherry on top of the Sunday..... if they had a Sunday.

    Personally I wish they had gone all in on Cloud Solutions.... Email, Storage, Office Documents - basically everything thing that Google and Apple offers their users today.

    The idea that user would have a computer sitting around to sync with and backup to.... was not how today's consumers work. Great for those sitting at a desk where IT allowed the software to be installed, but the other 95% of users...
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    10-09-19 01:51 PM
  7. thurask's Avatar
    There are a few companies already offering VPNs. What would be different about BB's offering?
    First in class buzzwords per paragraph density?
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    10-09-19 02:03 PM
  8. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    First in class buzzwords per paragraph density?
    PRICE.....

    SecuSUITE basically is a VPN like service across the board - it secures the whole phone. Expect it's just what he is wanting them to offer, and they have been for years.
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    10-09-19 02:16 PM
  9. app_Developer's Avatar
    That's what I mean....

    Yes a VPN is critical today for those interested in security. Just don't get the hardware VPN or how BlackBerry can compete at this point. A BlackBerry VPN might have been the cherry on top of the Sunday..... if they had a Sunday.

    Personally I wish they had gone all in on Cloud Solutions.... Email, Storage, Office Documents - basically everything thing that Google and Apple offers their users today.

    The idea that user would have a computer sitting around to sync with and backup to.... was not how today's consumers work. Great for those sitting at a desk where IT allowed the software to be installed, but the other 95% of users...
    Yes, or security and compliance solutions for cloud. I’ve seen a couple startups this year doing great work in that space. It’s a huge issue for many of us and the current solutions only scratch the surface of what is possible or necessary. I’m excited about some new companies that are being born out of this.
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    10-09-19 04:26 PM
  10. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Personally I wish they had gone all in on Cloud Solutions.... Email, Storage, Office Documents - basically everything thing that Google and Apple offers their users today.

    The idea that user would have a computer sitting around to sync with and backup to.... was not how today's consumers work. Great for those sitting at a desk where IT allowed the software to be installed, but the other 95% of users...
    Those things all went against Mike's beliefs (in his mind, none of those services were even necessary), plus BB's management structure was a huge mess, and they were too isolated and out-of-the-loop up in Waterloo to know what was going on in the rest of the tech world.

    Mike should have been CTO and hired a business person with a tech background to run the company. He was never really interested in running the business anyway - he really only did it so he could do what he wanted and no one could tell him "no." Jim had a much better head for business, but from the beginning, he had agreed to handle sales and business (contracts and deals) and let Mike make all the tech/product decisions, and Mike spiked has best ideas - including making BBM the official, carrier-supported replacement for SMS. Jim had agreements in place with a number of key carriers, but Mike wanted to focus on hardware and killed the deal.
    10-09-19 06:43 PM
  11. idssteve's Avatar
    ^^^^^1000% this! ^^^^^^
    Mike needed to be kept in the lab! Lol. Some Gorilla tape over his mouth might've helped on a few occasions. Lol.
    10-09-19 08:33 PM
  12. idssteve's Avatar
    PRICE.....

    SecuSUITE basically is a VPN like service across the board - it secures the whole phone. Expect it's just what he is wanting them to offer, and they have been for years.
    The ONLY thing I'm "wanting" from "them" is a reasonably sized handset with their exquisitely sculptured PKB... as they provided on their last arguably successful model! lol.

    My curiosity about VPN & BIS is just an old man's musings about what might've possibly grown out of BBOS had they never wasted $Billions and years on BB10. fwiw. imo.

    What is expected to become of NOC facility once they kill off BIS? Doze it down? Re-purpose some way??
    10-09-19 08:52 PM
  13. app_Developer's Avatar
    The ONLY thing I'm "wanting" from "them" is a reasonably sized handset with their exquisitely sculptured PKB... as they provided on their last arguably successful model! lol.

    My curiosity about VPN & BIS is just an old man's musings about what might've possibly grown out of BBOS had they never wasted $Billions and years on BB10. fwiw. imo.

    What is expected to become of NOC facility once they kill off BIS? Doze it down? Re-purpose some way??
    I would guess the NOC is completely obsolete at this point. I doubt they’ve invested much to modernize it lately.
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    10-09-19 09:16 PM
  14. idssteve's Avatar
    Probably a good thing NOC is operating at fractional design capacity. Lol.
    10-09-19 09:25 PM
  15. i_plod_an_dr_void's Avatar
    Those things all went against Mike's beliefs (in his mind, none of those services were even necessary), plus BB's management structure was a huge mess, and they were too isolated and out-of-the-loop up in Waterloo to know what was going on in the rest of the tech world.

    Mike should have been CTO and hired a business person with a tech background to run the company. He was never really interested in running the business anyway - he really only did it so he could do what he wanted and no one could tell him "no." Jim had a much better head for business, but from the beginning, he had agreed to handle sales and business (contracts and deals) and let Mike make all the tech/product decisions, and Mike spiked has best ideas - including making BBM the official, carrier-supported replacement for SMS. Jim had agreements in place with a number of key carriers, but Mike wanted to focus on hardware and killed the deal.
    You've obviously never been to Waterloo. Let me guess, you believe they should have been in Redmond instead?
    10-10-19 12:41 AM
  16. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    You've obviously never been to Waterloo. Let me guess, you believe they should have been in Redmond instead?
    Oh, god, no. They should have at the very least had some engineering and design offices in Silicon Valley, though. That's the heart of tech, just as NYC is the home of the stock market, Hollywood is the home of movies & TV, Vegas is the home of gambling, and Nashville is the home of Country music. No one is saying they needed to move the whole company or anything, but at the very least, you NEED to have a branch in the center of your "universe" and you need to spend some time there. Mike was proud to be isolated from that.

    I'm well aware of Waterloo's tech focus and the resources of the university and the surrounding area, but even though Atlanta and Vancouver and Toronto have lots of TV production work happening in those cities, they AREN'T Los Angeles.
    10-10-19 01:26 AM
  17. i_plod_an_dr_void's Avatar
    Oh, god, no......., they AREN'T [Silicon Valley]/Los Angeles.
    Yah I figure that's what you were getting at. However my Redmond suggestion was pretty much a Waterloo situation , except for a different co. Microsoft.
    I'm not sure Silicon Valley would have been anything but an even higher overhead for BlackBerry...all the chip design s/w development is global in scope nowadays (it seems, though no doubt led by the Valley..not to mention the startup activity)....Waterloo probably kept resources from getting too distracted from the tasks at hand...plus the less costly cost of liviing ...compared to Silicon Valley :-).
    10-10-19 02:00 AM
  18. idssteve's Avatar
    Haha... Ottawa? Lol. Might be argued that just getting BB10 team in the same room with BBOS team might've, possibly, proven beneficial? Wherever that room was... Lol.

    Perhaps tethering Mike & Jim up where winters are longer helped modulate their mischief? ??? Lol.
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    10-10-19 03:03 AM
  19. idssteve's Avatar
    I recall an "anonymous open letter" floating about concurrent with 9900 launch... 2011?? Recall agreeing and disagreeing with much of it. Was the author ever identified?
    10-10-19 03:23 AM
  20. Bbnivende's Avatar
    I recall an "anonymous open letter" floating about concurrent with 9900 launch... 2011?? Recall agreeing and disagreeing with much of it. Was the author ever identified?
    https://bgr.com/2011/06/30/open-lett...round-him/amp/
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    10-10-19 07:24 AM
  21. babugaru1's Avatar
    Great going, but I need a simple bold like android with android screen aspect ratio. As android supports all the apps in horizontal screen, I don't see any issue with app layout. We just need get adjusted to apps. If anyone wants to play portrait games, then they can keep the phone vertically and play.
    Yesterday 07:30 AM
  22. babugaru1's Avatar
    And overall size of phone should match classic without over sizing. Yes, we need to get adjusted for screen size but there is no other way to keep both front end keyboard and screen
    Yesterday 07:33 AM
  23. conite's Avatar
    And overall size of phone should match classic without over sizing. Yes, we need to get adjusted for screen size but there is no other way to keep both front end keyboard and screen
    The screen on the KEYx devices is as small as you can realistically go on Android. Given that, the overall size of the device is about as small as you can go too.
    Yesterday 08:06 AM
  24. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    And overall size of phone should match classic without over sizing. Yes, we need to get adjusted for screen size but there is no other way to keep both front end keyboard and screen
    That's what many here have wanted for a number of years.... sadly doesn't appear to be enough to make a viable market.
    Yesterday 08:09 AM
  25. babugaru1's Avatar
    The screen on the KEYx devices is as small as you can realistically go on Android. Given that, the overall size of the device is about as small as you can go too.
    Yes, but the key1 screen aspect ratio is a big set back. It is vertical but BB should release horizontal screen like bold. We can access all apps in horizontal view as all android apps support landscape view.

    BB can design a bold like device that is a little more wider than bold to keep 16:9 ratio and can add more keys like control, tab etc along with toolbelt. Then we can call it a perfect Blackberry phone which is powered by android
    Yesterday 08:27 AM
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