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  1. katiepea's Avatar
    Indeed it takes changing a registry entry on the pc a few years ago I would have cared about this. While I agree it should be there, file management without wires pleases me more today. Dropbox is a great service, but yeah its silly that its not enabled by default. Iphone is this way too, although no file system even exists there

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    09-28-11 02:42 AM
  2. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    Indeed it takes changing a registry entry on the pc a few years ago I would have cared about this. While I agree it should be there, file management without wires pleases me more today. Dropbox is a great service, but yeah its silly that its not enabled by default. Iphone is this way too, although no file system even exists there

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    What about the "bug" where your WP7 geotags your pictures even if you select it not to? Has Mango fixed that?

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    09-28-11 02:53 AM
  3. SK122387's Avatar
    I don't know anyone who uses Windows7 phones. I absolutely hate the way their OS is though, from playing with the phones in stores. Those boxes on the main screen... drive me nuts!
    09-28-11 03:00 AM
  4. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    We get you like WP7, but there's no need to make excuses for it here, it lacks basics that all other platforms have, even iphone. How do you even transfer large photos or HD videos to your computer? Do you have to sync them to cloud first?

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    No. You do it through Zune software. It can happen automatically, if you set it up. It also Syncs them back and forth via WiFi. You can also set it to automatically back up your Camera Roll to Windows Live SkyDrive if you want, as well.

    Before you tell me I'm making excuses, make sure you get a handle on at least the basics of working the phone.

    And like I said. Mango is out. What basics is it missing. Synching to outlook isn't a basic. Most Android devices don't Sync Directly to Outlook, and does the iPhone sync directly to Outlook (I'm unsure on that one, educate me). The amount of people who require direct Outlook Synchronization is far from a minority and shrinking due to the proliferation of Exchange ActiveSync across even Consumer-Oriented Services (Windows Live, Google).

    iOS doesn't have USB Mass storage mode, either. Most of those people don't seem to care much :P I'm glad you do, though... Those OSes with that capability need to sell phones, too.
    Last edited by N8ter; 09-28-11 at 10:52 AM.
    09-28-11 10:41 AM
  5. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    From what I understand you can't use it as USB drive, can't transfer photos, music, videos etc only trough the cloud.

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    Again, you're wrong:



    USB Mass Storage is for the 90s. Mobile OSes are so App-Centric and dependent on non-portable data that that stuff hardly matters anymore. Ask iPhone users how much they miss using their device as a USB Mass Storage Device.

    Android Users are literally dependent on them becaue they don't have a universal solution like Zune, iTunes, or BB Desktop Manager to manage media Libraries on the device.

    You don't have to put any media in the cloud. Suggesting that just shows how little knowledge about the platform you lack, and you're strong unwillingness to fact check yourself before you post this useless crap.

    P.S. You can now download/subscribe to Podcasts directly to the device as well as use SmartDJ. WP7 is basically a ZuneHD with a phone and a better App Ecosystem/updated OS. It's similar to the iPhone in that respect.
    09-28-11 10:48 AM
  6. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    No. You do it through Zune software. It can happen automatically, if you set it up. It also Syncs them back and forth via WiFi. You can also set it to automatically back up your Camera Roll to Windows Live SkyDrive if you want, as well.

    Before you tell me I'm making excuses, make sure you get a handle on at least the basics of working the phone.

    And like I said. Mango is out. What basics is it missing. Synching to outlook isn't a basic. Most Android devices don't Sync Directly to Outlook, and does the iPhone sync directly to Outlook (I'm unsure on that one, educate me).

    iOS doesn't have USB Mass storage mode, either. Most of those people don't seem to care much :P
    The ability to act as an usb drive, all except iphone and now WP7 can do it. Having to use Zune is not the same thing(does that even work on Mac and Linux?

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    09-28-11 10:50 AM
  7. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    I don't know anyone who uses Windows7 phones. I absolutely hate the way their OS is though, from playing with the phones in stores. Those boxes on the main screen... drive me nuts!
    As opposed to an "iOS home screen in a drawer" on BB OS?

    The boxes are a lot more interactive now, though. Pre-Mango the Tiles were useless and volatile. Now they have a bit more purpose.
    09-28-11 10:54 AM
  8. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    The ability to act as an usb drive, all except iphone and now WP7 can do it. Having to use Zune is not the same thing(does that even work on Mac and Linux?

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    Windows Phone 7 & Mac | Mac Sync Software | Sync Files | Windows Phone 7

    Features

    Windows Phone 7 Connector for Mac is a simple, easy-to-use program for Macs that you can use to:

    •Sync music, movies, TV shows, and podcasts from your existing Apple iTunes library to your Windows Phone or Zune HD*
    •Sync pictures and videos from your existing Apple iPhoto library to your Windows Phone or Zune HD
    •Retrieve pictures and videos taken on your Windows Phone and automatically import them into your existing iPhoto library
    •Browse and preview media items stored on your Windows Phone or Zune HD
    •Download and install operating system updates for your Windows Phone
    Who cares about Linux?

    See my earlier comments about USB Mass Storage.

    Again, Android has nothing comparable to Zune/iTunes/BB DM as a standard solution. You probably haven't used DoubleTwist (Terrible, and the AirSync app for the phone will demolish your battery in short order). HTC/Kies are device, specific and in many cases aren't even distributed in certain regions. Galaxy S US customers didn't get a Kies Sync Solution, only a mini-version for updates. Many/most of Android users are wholly reliant on USB Mass Storage. BB has it still, because it's always had it and we all see how well their OS has evolved in the past few years (i.e. not much at all).

    This has nothing to do with liking one more than the other. Just stop spreading false info.

    Thx.

    EDIT: My Comment about Zune was directed at your claim that you had to upload media to the Cloud to get it to the device. The only thing you have to do that for is documents, and you aren't forced to do even that it. You can recieve them via email and save them to your Office Hub on the phone.

    Most people who use USB Mass Storage do so either to:

    1. Sideload Media
    2. Sideload Applications
    3. Sideload Documents

    1-2 are non-factor since Zune Syncs media and WP7 doesn't support App Sideloading. 3 is non-factor since there are trivial ways to get documents onto the phone anyways. Your documents aren't required to stay in the cloud. You can delete them anytime you wish, from the phone/browser.

    Synching to Outlook on WP7 is not needed with the Live Integration and Outlook Connector/Integration. You can literally drag and drop/copy contacts from Outlook to Windows Live there. That, or you can just use Windows Live Essentials and everything is done directly in Live Services.

    BTW, the integrated FB/WLM Chat and Group SMS/MMS is incredible :P
    Last edited by N8ter; 09-28-11 at 11:05 AM.
    09-28-11 10:55 AM
  9. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    Windows Phone 7 & Mac | Mac Sync Software | Sync Files | Windows Phone 7



    Who cares about Linux?

    See my earlier comments about USB Mass Storage.

    Again, Android has nothing comparable to Zune/iTunes/BB DM as a standard solution. You probably haven't used DoubleTwist (Terrible, and the AirSync app for the phone will demolish your battery in short order). HTC/Kies are device, specific and in many cases aren't even distributed in certain regions. Galaxy S US customers didn't get a Kies Sync Solution, only a mini-version for updates. Many/most of Android users are wholly reliant on USB Mass Storage. BB has it still, because it's always had it and we all see how well their OS has evolved in the past few years (i.e. not much at all).

    This has nothing to do with liking one more than the other. Just stop spreading false info.

    Thx.

    EDIT: My Comment about Zune was directed at your claim that you had to upload media to the Cloud to get it to the device. The only thing you have to do that for is documents, and you aren't forced to do even that it. You can recieve them via email and save them to your Office Hub on the phone.

    Most people who use USB Mass Storage do so either to:

    1. Sideload Media
    2. Sideload Applications
    3. Sideload Documents

    1-2 are non-factor since Zune Syncs media and WP7 doesn't support App Sideloading. 3 is non-factor since there are trivial ways to get documents onto the phone anyways. Your documents aren't required to stay in the cloud. You can delete them anytime you wish, from the phone/browser.

    Synching to Outlook on WP7 is not needed with the Live Integration and Outlook Connector/Integration. You can literally drag and drop/copy contacts from Outlook to Windows Live there. That, or you can just use Windows Live Essentials and everything is done directly in Live Services.

    BTW, the integrated FB/WLM Chat and Group SMS/MMS is incredible :P
    Sorry but WP7 sounds like the ultimate workaround platform, so many "solutions" to replace the simple usb cable.

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    09-28-11 11:21 AM
  10. rollingrock1988's Avatar
    It's good to know N8ter is here to give us all the info on WinPho 7. He was also quick to correct my mistake. Thank you N8ter. I am glad you are here, on this forum focused on BlaclBerry, to inform us on the greatest OS that ever lived- Windows Phone.
    09-28-11 11:51 AM
  11. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Hee, hee....I'm still laughing over the suggestion of using wikipedia as a reliable research tool....
    09-28-11 12:32 PM
  12. pvdiamon's Avatar
    Windows computers sort of rule (by sheer numbers) but they aren't all that good.....they get all sorts of memory issues over time. After switching from Palm to Windows back in the PDA days, I learned to be cautious with windows. I'm sticking with BB.
    09-28-11 12:36 PM
  13. olblueyez's Avatar
    I had a Moto Q 9h and it was the best example of a nice device that was crippled by software I have ever seen. Keyboard was just as nice as the 9000 and 99XX. I have Cox email accounts and they were unusable because Cox blocks port 25 and WinMo just would not setup the account properly and Cox is hush Hush about what port they use for incoming mail. All I could do is receive mail, not send it out.

    All the fuking advertising crap built into the firmware was impossible to get rid of. The home screen had carrier crap that should not have been there that was damn near impossible to get rid of. The menus were littered with this crap too.

    The phone was setup to receive software updates the same way a Windows PC does and never once did Microsoft send one out, NOT ONE TIME!!!

    The only update for that phone was WinMo 6.0 to 6.1 and that had to be done using a computer. 6.1 made the device a bit faster but solved none of the inherent issues built into WinMo 6.0.

    The only way to get an update was through Microsoft/AT&T.

    Browsing was useless and I don't remember ever having a productive browsing secession.

    The phone would kill a battery quicker than pee-wee herman at the pornos. It did come with an extended battery but it was large already and with the bigger battery it also became heavy.

    Big and heavy and with a beautiful keypad so I could RECEIVE emails and make phone calls. All thanks to Microsoft.

    Apps??? No Way!!!!! Zero!!!!!!!!!!!

    All these issues were non-exisistant on an 8310 purchased the same day the Q was. And the 8310 was less expensive, much lighter weight, more compact, and lasted days using a battery that was about half the size of the extended Motorola battery.

    Anyone think they could talk me into a Windows Phone now or in the future after owning an 8310 and a 9000? If so, you must be high as a kite.

    For the OP, show your friend this picture. Its an important benefit of owning a Blackberry that everyone seems to overlook and that RIM fails to advertise properly. Its especially important now that tiered data plans are coming back.



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    Last edited by olblueyez; 09-28-11 at 12:40 PM.
    09-28-11 12:37 PM
  14. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    WP7 is not anymore work around than iOS, dunno what you're talking about.

    I didn't suggest WikiPedia as a reliable resource. I suggested it as a quick resource for getting quick information, easy to get information that those people obviously were oblivious about.

    And people will laugh about that blackberry screenshot. Not only is the experience on BB inferior, but a lot of people here simply don't care about data since they have literally unlimited data for their usage patterns.

    I'm as quick to point out inaccuracies about WP7 in a WP7 thread as you are to correct inaccuracies about BB on this BB-focused forum. Thanks for reminding me about that, though. It helps me understand some of the responses a bit better. I had forgotten!
    09-28-11 01:09 PM
  15. BBMINI's Avatar
    My friend wont stop talking about how blackberry is crap and wp7 is way better.
    Hey OP -- just curious here, but is N8ter possibly the friend in question??
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    09-28-11 01:59 PM
  16. olblueyez's Avatar
    WP7 is not anymore work around than iOS, dunno what you're talking about.

    I didn't suggest WikiPedia as a reliable resource. I suggested it as a quick resource for getting quick information, easy to get information that those people obviously were oblivious about.

    And people will laugh about that blackberry screenshot. Not only is the experience on BB inferior, but a lot of people here simply don't care about data since they have literally unlimited data for their usage patterns.

    I'm as quick to point out inaccuracies about WP7 in a WP7 thread as you are to correct inaccuracies about BB on this BB-focused forum. Thanks for reminding me about that, though. It helps me understand some of the responses a bit better. I had forgotten!
    WP7 is new and so will a lot of WP7 users. New users equals tiered data plans. You know, anyone who becomes a smartphone user from now on, won't be laughing at that chart. The old saying "blah blah blah phone provides a better user experience" is like saying "Sushi will be more appetizing to everyone because I like it".

    If no one cared about data plans the carriers would not have allowed current customers to carry it over when they renew. Its not rocket science, but it does take a little common sense.

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    Last edited by olblueyez; 09-28-11 at 02:23 PM.
    09-28-11 02:17 PM
  17. katiepea's Avatar
    The amount of "nuh uh" and blatant denial around here of new technology is astounding. Nitpicking about smartphone OS's shortcomings is laughable because bbos easily has the most. The main argument I'm seeing about usb storage and Wikipedia not being reliable ... To go out of your way to find the smallest detail to prove a benign point is dumbfounding. The fact of the matter here is wp7, android, webos, and ios all actually offer better ways to sync and transfer data than bbos currently does. These forums have complained about desktop manager for YEARS and now to read this thread you'd think its 2002.

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    09-28-11 03:03 PM
  18. katiepea's Avatar
    Sorry but WP7 sounds like the ultimate workaround platform, so many "solutions" to replace the simple usb cable.

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    Replacing a usb cable is one of the best things that's ever happened to smartphones. Cloud/sync services aren't becoming a huge deal because people LIKE using cables

    Every platform except bbos actually allows you to have a phone and sync without ever needing to hook it up to a computer once... EVER. Claiming cloud services are a workaround? Come on, you think that's buyable?

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    Last edited by katiepea; 09-28-11 at 03:10 PM.
    09-28-11 03:07 PM
  19. rollingrock1988's Avatar
    Saying BB OS has the most shortcomings is a little extreme and also subjective.
    09-28-11 03:42 PM
  20. katiepea's Avatar
    Well its the most limited so to me that equates the same thing. Sure that's subjective, everything is subjective. Just because it may offer everything someone needs doesn't mean its not flawed from a capabilities standpoint

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    09-28-11 03:47 PM
  21. rollingrock1988's Avatar
    Well its the most limited so to me that equates the same thing. Sure that's subjective, everything is subjective. Just because it may offer everything someone needs doesn't mean its not flawed from a capabilities standpoint

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    What are it's limitations. Besides you said the BB OS didn't have cloud services. BB protect is a cloud service no?
    09-28-11 03:49 PM
  22. katiepea's Avatar
    No 2 way gmail sync, proprietary hardware, extremely limited development community, no flexible enterprise solutions (dependant on bes), extremely delayed software updates, limited web browsing (whatever anyone says about flash, fine but its wonderful having it). Apps is obviously the big one, I have apps I couldn't imagine living without at this point, and they were free.

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    09-28-11 04:00 PM
  23. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    Replacing a usb cable is one of the best things that's ever happened to smartphones. Cloud/sync services aren't becoming a huge deal because people LIKE using cables

    Every platform except bbos actually allows you to have a phone and sync without ever needing to hook it up to a computer once... EVER. Claiming cloud services are a workaround? Come on, you think that's buyable?

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    As I said before but maybe you missed it, cloud is fine, everybody uses it, cloud as the only solution is not fine.

    I'm not sure what you're talking about though, there's plenty cloud options for a blackberry, dropbox works fine and it can even backup/restore your contacts. And you can upload/download to any cloud service trough the BB browser. Protect, Groups are cloud too.

    But clouds can go down, amazon did and clouds can be hacked, dropbox was.
    09-28-11 04:22 PM
  24. rollingrock1988's Avatar
    No 2 way gmail sync, proprietary hardware, extremely limited development community, no flexible enterprise solutions (dependant on bes), extremely delayed software updates, limited web browsing (whatever anyone says about flash, fine but its wonderful having it). Apps is obviously the big one, I have apps I couldn't imagine living without at this point, and they were free.

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    1. What? Mine syncs fine.
    2. This is a plus.
    3. Apps all day. aka subjective argument.
    4. Blame the carrier- will be bypassed with QNX.
    5. Flash isn't always needed, it's a luxury. For one I don't care about it but I can understand why someone would.
    6. See 3. I have all the apps I need. Facebook. BBM. Poynt. Google Maps. Proprietary email app. Google Sync. Google Email app. A Weather app. LiveProfile. Battery Saver. Memory Booster.
    7. Developers make the most money on App World so.... moot point maybe?
    09-28-11 04:29 PM
  25. recompile's Avatar
    I was just looking at the features/updates to WP 7.5 today.

    * emphasis on multitasking
    * more integrated apps
    * better mobile Web browsing
    * integrated social networking
    * conversation threads

    Seems like WP7 is turning heads because it's trying to be more like Blackberry.
    09-28-11 05:20 PM
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