09-13-15 06:54 AM
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  1. Bla1ze's Avatar
    LMAO!!!!! typical people defending apple...citing only SOME of what was written and not all. How do you have unbiased opinions using only SOME of the info?

    Unless I'm missing something, this blogger didn't say "SurePress" was "force touch." in fact, the blogger states
    "...SurePress technology that provided haptic feedback." I'm no BlackBerry expert, nor do I profess to be, but seemingly pressing the screen on the Storm devices was just that...pressing the screen. In doing so, however, the user was provided haptic feedback...which does not mean you have to "SurePress" a screen on a device that has "ForceTouch" technology in order to get haptic feedback. In other words, the screen does not have to move for you to get the feedback...that was just the case in the Storm. The Storm could be "off" and you could still press the screen and get no feedback, so it doesn't appear that one has anything to do with the other. The blogger goes on to state "BlackBerry appears to have patented the general concept of integrating a “click” mechanism with a touchscreen that provides a tactile feedback similar to what a user would experience using a physical keyboard." Again, another reference that 2 separate things (SurePress and haptic feedback) were brought together to work together.

    The blogger goes on to state "We identified at least 40 US patents owned by BlackBerry that are directed towards mobile touchscreens that provide tactile/haptic feedback. These patents relate to screen and sensor manufacturing and components, as well as the use of such feedback for various user operations." Again, that doesn't mean the technology was limited to a phone with "SurePress." The Storm with "SurePress" just happened to be the phone the haptic feedback was introduced on. And for everyone stating Apple's MacBook's and watches have the haptic feedback technology, this blogger stated BlackBerry's patent was for mobile devices, not laptop computers and watches. So apple could indeed be infringing upon BlackBerry's patent. Perhaps they were in no jeopardy of "borrowing" BlackBerry's technology until they introduced it into iPhone (i.e. a mobile device).

    I don't uphold ANYONE in their wrong. I love my BlackBerry just like others do and I've had my share of gripes where BlackBerry is concerned, even considering getting the 6S+ when it comes out (NEVER thought I'd say that, even just threw up in my fingers a little), but if Apple has "borrowed" said technology, then they must pay the Piper.

    Good rant lol. But here's the thing... patent laws are weird and can float in any direction. The outcomes are never really predictable even when things seem obvious. One drawn on a bar napkin sketch submitted can swing the whole thing.
    09-02-15 07:03 PM
  2. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    Funny this is only coming up now when people have been discussing it for months. Does anybody think BlackBerry sat around waiting for Apple to put it in a phone to take action? I mean, it's already in MacBooks and in the Apple Watch. I'd like think Zipperstein would have already reviewed whether or not he could win this case by now. Plus, as it notes, Apple was granted their own patent that's pretty much just different enough for them to avoid a lawsuit. Sorry, but Apple is not Typo. BlackBerry would have a tough time winning this one and that's assuming they haven't already looked at it and decided to pass on it. Makes for good fodder when there's pretty much zero other BlackBerry news though lol.
    Lol, yeah, the fodder aspect. But I'm definitely feeling for you, there isn't much to post about right now, apart from repetitive leaks 'n stuff...

    :-D

      Andro-Loader (TM) - who is gonna leak ...? Black-Berry! dadadada dee dum dee dum...  
    09-02-15 08:11 PM
  3. BCITMike's Avatar
    Glad you said that because you do realize that SurePress and Force touch/haptic feedback are two totally different things as well, right? You can press the screen of the Storm in the 'off' position and get no feedback, yet, the screen still depresses. Force touch did not make SurePress work, however, depressing the screen (SurePress), provided the haptic feedback while the phone was on...
    You don't patent ideas, you patent methods. This is clearly two different methods.

    Anything more detailed, should be by people with patent experience, not "I think" type stuff.
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    09-02-15 08:21 PM
  4. donnation's Avatar
    Glad you said that because you do realize that SurePress and Force touch/haptic feedback are two totally different things as well, right? You can press the screen of the Storm in the 'off' position and get no feedback, yet, the screen still depresses. Force touch did not make SurePress work, however, depressing the screen (SurePress), provided the haptic feedback while the phone was on...
    That has nothing to do with the fact that BlackBerry's screen is a mechanical press and force touch is not. Because it has feedback when on then BlackBerry owns the rights on haptics? Or would you rather say that BlackBerry invented haptic feedback with the garbage phones that the Storms were?
    Last edited by donnation; 09-03-15 at 12:05 PM.
    09-02-15 10:31 PM
  5. bobshine's Avatar
    Good rant lol. But here's the thing... patent laws are weird and can float in any direction. The outcomes are never really predictable even when things seem obvious. One drawn on a bar napkin sketch submitted can swing the whole thing.
    It will all depends on how the lawyers are able to convince how similar or different the two technologies are.

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    09-03-15 07:58 AM
  6. Nick Spagnolo's Avatar
    First all, Apple has a dedicated team that does nothing but research patents to make sure they follow the rules when developing new technologies.
    Ha!

    Z10
    09-04-15 06:31 AM
  7. keithhackneysmullet's Avatar
    I'm sure BlackBerry wouldn't want to play the patent lawsuit game with Apple. More fantasy courtesy of the Crackberry forum.

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    09-04-15 06:51 AM
  8. asherN's Avatar
    Apple could drag this out until BB is bankrupt, or between when reaching for loose change to pay for his low-fat latte, Tim Cook figures out he has enough there to just buy BB.
    09-04-15 07:28 AM
  9. TheoRadu's Avatar
    That has nothing to do with the fact that BlackBerry's screen is a mechanical press and force touch is not. Because it has feedback when on then BlackBerry owns the rights on haptics? Or would you rather say that BlackBerry invented haptic feedback with the garbage phones that the Storms were?
    Force Touch or 3D Touch is actually 2 things: a pressure sensor used for UI events (equivalent to a long tap) and a bunch of piezoelectric actuators (the famous Taptic Engine). The taptic engine is identical to BlackBerry's SurePress solution. Maybe the actuators are smaller or less powerful, so it feels less like a click, but it's the same technology.

    Obviously, the actuators themselves are not something BlackBerry invented, but using them behind a capacitive touchscreen on a mobile device hasn't been done before.

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    09-09-15 03:07 PM
  10. TheoRadu's Avatar
    Force Touch or 3D Touch is actually 2 things: a pressure sensor used for UI events (equivalent to a long tap) and a bunch of piezoelectric actuators (the famous Taptic Engine). The taptic engine is identical to BlackBerry's SurePress solution. Maybe the actuators are smaller or less powerful, so it feels less like a click, but it's the same technology.

    Obviously, the actuators themselves are not something BlackBerry invented, but using them behind a capacitive touchscreen on a mobile device hasn't been done before.

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    I take this back. Just watched an iPhone 6S video and the taptic engine implementation (short bursts of vibrations) is different than the one found in the new MacBooks (actuators). Not like SurePress at all.
    I blame Apple for all this confusion, somehow they managed to make everyone think Force Touch is the same thing on all their devices.

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    09-09-15 03:26 PM
  11. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Really do like how Apple implemented their Peek and Pop.

    Also shows Apple's strength in that big developers have already implemented the force-touch capabilities into their apps.
    09-09-15 03:30 PM
  12. TGR1's Avatar
    I take this back. Just watched an iPhone 6S video and the taptic engine implementation (short bursts of vibrations) is different than the one found in the new MacBooks (actuators). Not like SurePress at all.
    I blame Apple for all this confusion, somehow they managed to make everyone think Force Touch is the same thing on all their devices.

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    Probably why they changed the name to 3D Touch on the phone. Still confusing on watch and laptop, I think.
    09-10-15 07:45 AM
  13. sayf777's Avatar
    So what gate do we call this?

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    09-12-15 08:11 PM
  14. BCITMike's Avatar
    So what gate do we call this?

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    None. "gates" are for cover up scandals (Watergate!). It's been over used and abused for media sensationalism.
    09-12-15 08:18 PM
  15. donnation's Avatar
    So what gate do we call this?

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    Crackberry-Imaginary-Gate?
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    09-12-15 10:11 PM
  16. GLTruesdale's Avatar
    Who cares? It's called 3d touch anyway.
    09-13-15 05:59 AM
  17. nimra's Avatar
    www.cantechletter.com

    First page found I cannot fully see and read articles on my PP...??

    Anybody having issues too?

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    09-13-15 06:54 AM
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