1. anon(55900)'s Avatar
    Could RIM benefit from others OS fragmentation?

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    When BB10 is released, could RIM benefit by using Android and MS mobile OS fragmentation against Android and MS?

    Michaelaw
    06-27-12 09:17 PM
  2. howarmat's Avatar
    RIM is fragmenting their OS just the same. there will no be tablet, bb10, and still OS 7 and below to maintain.

    iOS doesnt have fragmentation

    google is the most fragmented but generally also has great compatibility. An app written 2 years ago for android 2.1 still will run on the newest version OS, 4.0.4 and probably Jelly Bean without issue.

    IMO BB10 will not gain traction because of this. BB10 needs to stand alone on its own and deliver everything RIM wants it to be and compete atleast on the same level as the others. If BB10 has to rely on Android or iOS missing a step then it will not succeed IMO.
    06-27-12 09:25 PM
  3. Speedygi's Avatar
    Fragmentation has surfaced due to the Android and Windows phones that have come up, but honestly would this really affect RIM's strategy?

    I say just get BB10 right, get good quality apps on there, innovate by getting killer new features working and market the heck out of them, polish it to compete, and RIM would do well with the existing Ecosystem they have and more.
    06-28-12 01:36 AM
  4. Speedygi's Avatar
    RIM is fragmenting their OS just the same. there will now be tablet, bb10 (various screen resolutions also) and still OS 7 and below to maintain.

    iOS doesnt have fragmentation

    google is the most fragmented but generally also has great compatibility. An app written 2 years ago for android 2.1 still will run on the newest version OS, 4.0.4 and probably Jelly Bean without issue.

    IMO BB10 will not gain traction because of this. BB10 needs to stand alone on its own and deliver everything RIM wants it to be and compete atleast on the same level as the others. If BB10 has to rely on Android or iOS missing a step then it will not succeed IMO.

    Interesting, first time I have heard about Blackberry being Fragmented...

    Because you never hear that being a Blackberry problem, if I could call it that.
    06-28-12 01:49 AM
  5. BBPandy's Avatar
    RIM is fragmenting their OS just the same. there will now be tablet, bb10 (various screen resolutions also) and still OS 7 and below to maintain.
    I thought RIM said with BB10 that they would fight fragmentation by keeping the same resolutions...time will tell if they do, & I'm currious to see how they do that with keyboard phones. I would have rather RIM said we will only have 2 resolutions...then they could have one for tablets & slab phones, & one for querty phones.
    06-28-12 01:54 AM
  6. app_Developer's Avatar
    Interesting, first time I have heard about Blackberry being Fragmented...

    Because you never hear that being a Blackberry problem, if I could call it that.
    The thing is, if you look at the first couple of quarters after BB10 launches, the majority of Blackberry buyers each month will still be buying the cheap BB7 curves, and we can't reach those users with our slick new BB10 apps.
    06-28-12 01:55 AM
  7. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    RIM is fragmenting their OS just the same. there will now be tablet, bb10 (various screen resolutions also) and still OS 7 and below to maintain.

    iOS doesnt have fragmentation

    google is the most fragmented but generally also has great compatibility. An app written 2 years ago for android 2.1 still will run on the newest version OS, 4.0.4 and probably Jelly Bean without issue.

    IMO BB10 will not gain traction because of this. BB10 needs to stand alone on its own and deliver everything RIM wants it to be and compete atleast on the same level as the others. If BB10 has to rely on Android or iOS missing a step then it will not succeed IMO.
    Part of the problem with Android is that there are so many versions available AT THE SAME TIME. Is Blackberry "fragmented"? Not really; each device has a ceiling.

    Android's problem isn't just different versioning, but with different OEM's skinning with proprietary UIs. Some Android upgrades can't be made to work, so the customer is left hanging.

    It's bad enough that Samsung is exploring the possibility of producing their own OS. Personally, I like the idea of them licensing BB10...
    06-28-12 01:56 AM
  8. Speedygi's Avatar
    The thing is, if you look at the first couple of quarters after BB10 launches, the majority of Blackberry buyers each month will still be buying the cheap BB7 curves, and we can't reach those users with our slick new BB10 apps.

    Good point there, there will be that BB7 userbase that need app developers contributing to still, which will happen, because after all aren't market usage percentages a good indicator of support?

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    Last edited by Speedygi; 06-28-12 at 02:12 AM.
    06-28-12 02:09 AM
  9. West Coast Flavor's Avatar
    I don't think so. The people who have the slightest clue what fragmentation is, will simply root their device.
    06-28-12 03:19 AM
  10. jakie55's Avatar
    Part of the problem with Android is that there are so many versions available AT THE SAME TIME. Is Blackberry "fragmented"? Not really; each device has a ceiling.

    Android's problem isn't just different versioning, but with different OEM's skinning with proprietary UIs. Some Android upgrades can't be made to work, so the customer is left hanging.

    It's bad enough that Samsung is exploring the possibility of producing their own OS. Personally, I like the idea of them licensing BB10...
    Having had a Samsung Galaxy tab that I could not upgrade over their NASTY keis upgrade software (you think blackberry desktop is bad?) I downloaded an android 2.3 build off the internet, and have been doing just fine since. I personally do not want RIM to have to deal with the upgrade politics with samsung.
    06-28-12 03:28 AM
  11. qbnkelt's Avatar
    I have an unrooted Skyrocket and I was (im)patiently waiting for ICS. Waited. Waited. Some Galaxy variants got it. My Skyrocket hasn't got it. But that's because My carrier hasn't released it. So I gave up and took my iPhone out.

    All my BBerries are on 7.1. But I had to load other carriers' OS on them. Because my carrier hasn't released 7.1.

    So...in my opinion, fragmentation is more due to the carrier than to the platform.

    My opinion on this is soft. I could be convinced otherwise.

    What I AM firm on is that RIM strategy cannot be, and I believe is not, simply waiting for others' failures. That would be suicide.

    I believe they are more aggressive in their approach because they know what is at stake in NA.
    kbz1960 likes this.
    06-28-12 04:43 AM
  12. Blackberry_boffin's Avatar
    There is going to be fragmentation of sorts yes.
    OS4; OS5; OS6; OS7; Tablet OS; BB10.
    With various screens and form factors to boot.
    Ideally RIM would (quietly?) cease support for anything older than OS6 when BB10 launches. A year later then phase out support for OS6 depending on how many devices will still be active.
    Remember not getting updates does not mean a device will immediately stop working. It will just be a cost cutting move necessitated by the release of people working on legacy software.
    And then with BB10 release a much smaller portfolio than they do now.
    kbz1960 likes this.
    06-28-12 05:22 AM
  13. Speedygi's Avatar
    I have an unrooted Skyrocket and I was (im)patiently waiting for ICS. Waited. Waited. Some Galaxy variants got it. My Skyrocket hasn't got it. But that's because My carrier hasn't released it. So I gave up and took my iPhone out.



    All my BBerries are on 7.1. But I had to load other carriers' OS on them. Because my carrier hasn't released 7.1.



    So...in my opinion, fragmentation is more due to the carrier than to the platform.



    My opinion on this is soft. I could be convinced otherwise.



    What I AM firm on is that RIM strategy cannot be, and I believe is not, simply waiting for others' failures. That would be suicide.



    I believe they are more aggressive in their approach because they know what is at stake in NA.

    Precisely they must take the first move and innovate with BB10 to pull this off.

    Sent from my BlackBerry 9900 using Tapatalk
    06-28-12 05:55 AM
  14. howarmat's Avatar
    I thought RIM said with BB10 that they would fight fragmentation by keeping the same resolutions...time will tell if they do, & I'm currious to see how they do that with keyboard phones. I would have rather RIM said we will only have 2 resolutions...then they could have one for tablets & slab phones, & one for querty phones.
    i did too, but isnt the new keyboard device res 720x720? That is different than the other resolutions that are on the PB and the beta device.
    06-28-12 06:00 AM
  15. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    I don't think BB have a problem with scaling apps to fit the screens, I've downloaded many apps made for other devices that fit the screen just fine.
    06-28-12 07:44 AM
  16. joeldf's Avatar
    So...in my opinion, fragmentation is more due to the carrier than to the platform.
    Google tried to make that point last year when the fragmentation issue began to hit the general press. They blamed the carriers for holding up the upgrades when they had what they needed, but they won't stop fiddling with the OS for their own purposes. And the carriers blamed Google for not giving them what they need. And round and round it went.
    06-28-12 09:25 AM
  17. Davec1234's Avatar
    Google tried to make that point last year when the fragmentation issue began to hit the general press. They blamed the carriers for holding up the upgrades when they had what they needed, but they won't stop fiddling with the OS for their own purposes. And the carriers blamed Google for not giving them what they need. And round and round it went.
    It's a carrier issue.
    My Evo 3D is one year old and 4.0 is not available through sprint but I have been running it for months.
    Sprint has to add in their bloat and eff with the os.
    06-28-12 09:01 PM
  18. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    Cool thing about Android. For the most part, you can get an OS upgrade if you REALLY want it.
    06-28-12 09:40 PM
  19. Davec1234's Avatar
    Cool thing about Android. For the most part, you can get an OS upgrade if you REALLY want it.
    Yeah, I will probably have jelly bean before sprint releases ics.
    Tre Lawrence likes this.
    06-28-12 10:02 PM
  20. itmccb's Avatar
    Google's made great strides in fixing complaints and general usability issues with Android in Jelly Bean. One of the major points is that they're addressing OS fragmentation with the Platform Development Kit (PDK). As it is now, manufacturers/hardware developers get the OS the same time as the modding community; when the OS is open sourced. On top of that, they have to go through a lengthy certification process for every phone and for every piece of hardware that is affected by software. Starting with Jelly Bean, hardware developers will get a PDK months in advance of the release of the OS that allows them to port and optimize the OS for their hardware quickly and easily and give them enough time to certify before it goes official. This should quicken updates and more phones using the latest OS should be released sooner. Regarding hardware fragmentation, it shouldn't be too bad. I guess I'll finish off by echoing everyone is saying that BB10 will be no less fragmented than its competitors.
    06-28-12 10:20 PM
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