- If you are only interested in scoring a few worthless points against Apple and not the state of Chinese labor, it seems you are just as guilty of exploitation. I won't even bother asking how many products you own that come from the same part of the world. What would be the point.
What would you have Apple do? Perhaps they should unilaterally, single-handedly fix China. That really would be magical and revolutionary.
Apple demands that it supplier companies have turn around times that guarantee that workers will be abused.lotuslanderz and fanatical like this.01-29-12 09:58 PMLike 2 - Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesApple doesn't have to unilaterally, single handedly fix China. All they have to do is unilaterally, single handedly raise their expectations for workers rights a lot higher.
Apple demands that it supplier companies have turn around times that guarantee that workers will be abused.01-29-12 09:58 PMLike 0 - Interesting article here. I was curious about this issue, so I googled and came up with this article: Do You Know Who Manufactured Your Blackberry? - Forbes
(Yes, I know it is a Forbes article, so it must be "biased", but suspend that built-in refrain for a brief moment).
The author is discussing what he deems to be parrying by RIM with regards to encryption keys and Indian authorities, but what he dug up is somewhat relevant to this issue. Check out the suppliers info:
Again, I know this article won't matter; Forbes hates RIM like everyone else. But I still hold that Apple is not singularly evil, and/or (please do not stone me) RIM may not be so lily-white.
Just a thought.01-29-12 09:59 PMLike 0 -
Apple is being singled out because they are the top (tech) company in the world. They've always had this holier-than-thou public image, which we can all now see, is a facade (I guess they are no different from other companies). With all the cash they have (and the bucket-loads that they will reap as demand continues to sky-rocket), they do have the capability to enact change. Tim Cook should LEAD, instead of offering that poor excuse of a memo to hide behind Apple's business practises that he himself put into place as COO. Walk the walk, Apple.fanatical likes this.01-29-12 09:59 PMLike 1 - Tre LawrenceBetween Realities
There is a logical gulf. Put down the armor, and let's reason together. A few of you say Apple is evil for making stuff in China. The article I linked to claims RIM suppliers do business in China too.
Still with me?
I don't think anyone is denying what Apple is doing. I just find it ludicrous that some of you think RIM wears a halo. Corporate ethics are things of fairy tales.
I know that it will make some feel better to think that RIM actually cares about making money less than Apple. I don't wreak dreams for a living, so I say dream on.01-29-12 10:04 PMLike 0 - You're probably right, BUT Apple has the clout to change things. And we can participate by not buying every tiny iteration in a gadget.01-29-12 10:05 PMLike 0
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- Most of these codes of conducts are "aspirational" and are rarely if ever enforced. Check out all the articles from the NY Times and the 60 Minutes story on this.
Apple is being singled out because they are the top (tech) company in the world. They've always had this holier-than-thou public image, which we can all now see, is a facade (I guess they are no different from other companies). With all the cash they have (and the bucket-loads that they will reap as demand continues to sky-rocket), they do have the capability to enact change. Tim Cook should LEAD, instead of offering that poor excuse of a memo to hide behind Apple's business practises that he himself put into place as COO. Walk the walk, Apple.
Apple is being singled-out because of their 'holier-than-thou image' and their hypocrisy...media loves contradictionDapper37 likes this.01-29-12 10:07 PMLike 1 - Tre LawrenceBetween Realities
I don't argue with your last statement; I will state this: for those of us in the Western World, we are all complicit. We want things cheap. If we quit buying stuff routed through Asia, we'd have close to nothing.01-29-12 10:09 PMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween Realities
Apple is one of the most ruthless companies that ever existed. Steve Jobs was an unforgiving shark. I have never seen anyone get fuzzy about Apple. Apple wants to make money, and they do not care who knows.
Maybe Waterloo and Mountain View (yep, i said it) could learn a thing or two from the Teddy Bear SJ made...01-29-12 10:19 PMLike 0 -
But here's your chance to make me look foolish. I want you to find a single article from a major news outlet that suggests Apple is "holier than thou." I'd love to read it.01-29-12 10:31 PMLike 0 - I want to join the thank/like love-a-thon that you and Dapper have going, so could you explain to me this holier-than-thou attitude?
Apple is one of the most ruthless companies that ever existed. Steve Jobs was an unforgiving shark. I have never seen anyone get fuzzy about Apple. Apple wants to make money, and they do not care who knows.
Maybe Waterloo and Mountain View (yep, i said it) could learn a thing or two from the Teddy Bear SJ made...
To help with your question, like you don't know the answer, I'm sure he's refering to the main stream medias love in with everything apple or the way they try to make everything apple seem like news.01-29-12 10:32 PMLike 0 - Actually no, that's not the reason. The wind always blows hardest at the top of the mountain. Sure, Foxconn has many clients of which Apple is one, but those other companies don't have $98 billion in the bank, so they don't get the questions that Apple does.
But here's your chance to make me look foolish. I want you to find a single article from a major news outlet that suggests Apple is "holier than thou." I'd love to read it.
I know, that never happens01-29-12 10:38 PMLike 0 -
Obviously, the fact that they don't focus more on RIM bothers you, and that's understandable. But instead of complaining how unfair it is, maybe it makes more sense to look at the big picture. If RIM makes a killer product that consumers like, no amount of Apple coverage will prevent RIM from succeeding. But until that happens, and as long as Apple stories drive so many page views, we'll keep seeing them. That's just how it is.01-29-12 10:39 PMLike 0 - There is a forum law that states I have to mention Apple's happenings?
There is a logical gulf. Put down the armor, and let's reason together. A few of you say Apple is evil for making stuff in China. The article I linked to claims RIM suppliers do business in China too.
Still with me?
I don't think anyone is denying what Apple is doing. I just find it ludicrous that some of you think RIM wears a halo. Corporate ethics are things of fairy tales.
I know that it will make some feel better to think that RIM actually cares about making money less than Apple. I don't wreak dreams for a living, so I say dream on.01-29-12 10:44 PMLike 0 - Actually it seems to be that Apple "news" achieves page views, and page views drive advertising revenues. Instead of letting it get to you, maybe you should consider the economics of the "news" industry, and understand that, ultimately, news agencies will chase the stories that help those agencies turn a profit.
Obviously, the fact that they don't focus more on RIM bothers you, and that's understandable. But instead of complaining how unfair it is, maybe it makes more sense to look at the big picture. If RIM makes a killer product that consumers like, no amount of Apple coverage will prevent RIM from succeeding. But until that happens, and as long as Apple stories drive so many page views, we'll keep seeing them. That's just how it is.
Perception is a commodity that the media sells every day. Believe it or not.01-29-12 10:49 PMLike 0 -
- Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesActually it seems to be that Apple "news" achieves page views, and page views drive advertising revenues. Instead of letting it get to you, maybe you should consider the economics of the "news" industry, and understand that, ultimately, news agencies will chase the stories that help those agencies turn a profit.
Obviously, the fact that they don't focus more on RIM bothers you, and that's understandable. But instead of complaining how unfair it is, maybe it makes more sense to look at the big picture. If RIM makes a killer product that consumers like, no amount of Apple coverage will prevent RIM from succeeding. But until that happens, and as long as Apple stories drive so many page views, we'll keep seeing them. That's just how it is.
Dapper: I humbly say I am well-traveled. I have seen way more pain and suffering than most people will see in a million lifetimes. I don't say that to get sympathy; it's made me who I am. That is why I try to enjoy the small things... like a small handheld computer called a smartphone that many take for granted.
It ain't about what Apple is doing. That is documented. I just find it funny that some people here truly believe RIM is any less profit-driven than Apple.
Apple and RIM are around to make money, and the sick truth is that profitability precludes ethics. The investors of both companies demand that. You and I demand that.
I did not go out of my way to find anything. Let's have a rational discussion. Does RIM cut ethical corners to make money? Possibly the same corners that Apple does? Why is that such a painful proposition for you?
Why can't we have a fair discussion?
If it makes you feel better to believe that RIM is a white knight, I retract the statement.
I just want to state that this WHOLE thread is clearly biased against Apple!01-29-12 10:55 PMLike 0 - Quote; Dapper: I humbly say I am well-traveled. I have seen way more pain and suffering than most people will see in a million lifetimes. I don't say that to get sympathy; it's made me who I am. That is why I try to enjoy the small things... like a small handheld computer called a smartphone that many take for granted.
It ain't about what Apple is doing. That is documented. I just find it funny that some people here truly believe RIM is any less profit-driven than Apple.
Apple and RIM are around to make money, and the sick truth is that profitability precludes ethics. The investors of both companies demand that. You and I demand that.
I did not go out of my way to find anything. Let's have a rational discussion. Does RIM cut ethical corners to make money? Possibly the same corners that Apple does? Why is that such a painful proposition for you?
*I take no pleasure in your previous suffering (somewhat off topic but just to be sure) Although many CBers come to CB, take pleasure in continualy ruin threads with their negative anti RIM perceptions. Nothing in this thread is painful for myself, I enjoy clearly stating the contradictions of others. You and others turned this thread into what it is, as per usual. My only hope is one day you see the lightLast edited by Dapper37; 01-30-12 at 12:38 AM.
01-29-12 11:06 PMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesQuote; Dapper: I humbly say I am well-traveled. I have seen way more pain and suffering than most people will see in a million lifetimes. I don't say that to get sympathy; it's made me who I am. That is why I try to enjoy the small things... like a small handheld computer called a smartphone that many take for granted.
It ain't about what Apple is doing. That is documented. I just find it funny that some people here truly believe RIM is any less profit-driven than Apple.
Apple and RIM are around to make money, and the sick truth is that profitability precludes ethics. The investors of both companies demand that. You and I demand that.
I did not go out of my way to find anything. Let's have a rational discussion. Does RIM cut ethical corners to make money? Possibly the same corners that Apple does? Why is that such a painful proposition for you?
*I take no pleasure in your previous suffering (somewhat off topic but just to be sure) Although many CBers come to CB and continualy ruin threads with their negative anti RIM perceptions. Nothing in this thread is painful for myself, I enjoy clearly stating the contradictions of others. You and others turned this thread into what it is, as per usual. My only hope is one day you see the light
I linked an article that claims RIM has ties to China. What did that do to your thread? What was it supposed to be about?
My off-topic point was to show why may we have differing views on a lot of things. You seem to be young, good or evil, pro-RIMish. I am way more cynical. I don't think RIM cares about me or you ANY more than Apple does.
What you need to understand is that a criticism of RIM is not a death wish.01-29-12 11:14 PMLike 0 - The problem with this is that Apple paying the media for positive coverage is as big a tech story as there could be these days, and I find it hard to believe that someone wouldn't report this behavior if they had the evidence. It's not like keeping a product secret; paying for news coverage necessarily requires that you pay outsiders, and outsiders have a tendency to act in their own best interest.01-29-12 11:21 PMLike 0
- The problem with this is that Apple paying the media for positive coverage is as big a tech story as there could be these days, and I find it hard to believe that someone wouldn't report this behavior if they had the evidence. It's not like keeping a product secret; paying for news coverage necessarily requires that you pay outsiders, and outsiders have a tendency to act in their own best interest.
its true apple is the goose that laid the golden egg, who bites the hand that feeds. Ah but do I have to believe, no!Last edited by Dapper37; 01-30-12 at 12:42 AM.
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