[Karim Hofer]

I hear from too many peoples that blackberry has an advantage from other phones that calls cant be monitored, is it true??

And what about Z3 blackberry its the next release?? And what price It will have??

Thanks
Regards!

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[BergerKing]

Any phone can be monitored, cell phones themselves aren't quite as easy as land lines, but voice transmission is always subject to monitoring.

[ronfc]

OP, if I've got nothing to hide, then I don't really care if the cops are listening or not.

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[MarsupilamiX]

OP, if I've got nothing to hide, then I don't really care if the cops are listening or not.

Cave, cave, moderator videt

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out;
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out;
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out;
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me."
Pastor Martin Niemoeller.

Everyone has something to hide. Just because you don't understand that it may haunt you in the future, doesn't mean that your privacy should be unprotected in the now.

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[boeingrules]

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out;
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out;
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out;
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me."
Pastor Martin Niemoeller.

Everyone has something to hide. Just because you don't understand that it may haunt you in the future, doesn't mean that your privacy should be unprotected in the now.

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That's a powerful quote but this isn't really the best context to use it in...

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[1st-smartberry]

Wow, that's deep!

[louzer]

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out;
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out;
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out;
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me."
Pastor Martin Niemoeller.

Everyone has something to hide. Just because you don't understand that it may haunt you in the future, doesn't mean that your privacy should be unprotected in the now.

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"Everybody's got something to hide
Except for me and my monkey"
-Lennon/McCartney

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[MarsupilamiX]

That's a powerful quote but this isn't really the best context to use it in...

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Thx I guess

I used it because it actually makes lots of sense in the context of privacy, when someone uses this incredibly annoying "nothing to hide, nothing to worry".

Niemoeller neither had something to hide, nor to worry about, as he wasn't part of the groups being persecuted in the beginning.
The same can be said for 99% of Internet/phone users.

But then the political climate changed and he got targeted as well.
Maybe, if more people would have said something in the beginning, some of the things we know that happened in Germany back then, could have been avoided.
But it's human, to think that it doesn't concern oneself...
Until it's too late and you don't get the choice to decide, if you want to concern yourself with it.

Now the same applies to privacy, in reality.
The ones saying that they have nothing to hide, are the ones who don't understand how quickly everything they perceive as being normal, can become something undesired, that should be hidden.
In that case, it would have been wise to say something in the beginning.
Instead of waiting for "them" to get you when it's too late.

Obviously, this is my interpretation for our current privacy situation (that probably has never been worse) and if you don't adhere to the same train of thought, you might disagree with me using that quote, the way I did.

"Everybody's got something to hide
Except for me and my monkey"
-Lennon/McCartney

Posted by twiddling my thumbs on the mighty Qued! - Channel C003DAB77

I guess I am the monkey then

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[louzer]

Thx I guess

I used it because it actually makes lots of sense in the context of privacy, when someone uses this incredibly annoying "nothing to hide, nothing to worry".

Niemoeller neither had something to hide, nor to worry about, as he wasn't part of the groups being persecuted in the beginning.
The same can be said for 99% of Internet/phone users.

But then the political climate changed and he got targeted as well.
Maybe, if more people would have said something in the beginning, some of the things we know that happened in Germany back then, could have been avoided.
But it's human, to think that it doesn't concern oneself...
Until it's too late and you don't get the choice to decide, if you want to concern yourself with it.

Now the same applies to privacy, in reality.
The ones saying that they have nothing to hide, are the ones who don't understand how quickly everything they perceive as being normal, can become something undesired, that should be hidden.
In that case, it would have been wise to say something in the beginning.
Instead of waiting for "them" to get you when it's too late.

Obviously, this is my interpretation for our current privacy situation (that probably has never been worse) and if you don't adhere to the same train of thought, you might disagree with me using that quote, the way I did.



I guess I am the monkey then

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I am the walrus.
Goo goo g'joob!

I'd react with a reply of a more serious nature, but fear that privacy has already been lost.

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[boeingrules]

Thx I guess

I used it because it actually makes lots of sense in the context of privacy, when someone uses this incredibly annoying "nothing to hide, nothing to worry".

Niemoeller neither had something to hide, nor to worry about, as he wasn't part of the groups being persecuted in the beginning.
The same can be said for 99% of Internet/phone users.

But then the political climate changed and he got targeted as well.
Maybe, if more people would have said something in the beginning, some of the things we know that happened in Germany back then, could have been avoided.
But it's human, to think that it doesn't concern oneself...
Until it's too late and you don't get the choice to decide, if you want to concern yourself with it.

Now the same applies to privacy, in reality.
The ones saying that they have nothing to hide, are the ones who don't understand how quickly everything they perceive as being normal, can become something undesired, that should be hidden.
In that case, it would have been wise to say something in the beginning.
Instead of waiting for "them" to get you when it's too late.

Obviously, this is my interpretation for our current privacy situation (that probably has never been worse) and if you don't adhere to the same train of thought, you might disagree with me using that quote, the way I did.



I guess I am the monkey then

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Well yes, that's all true. But as was stated before, officials can already monitor all calls (with different degrees of ease). There is no phone that is completely safe or private in that sense.

Which would mean that we are all already the ones they're 'coming for'.

The act of making a phone call and talking about possibly illegal things is not a crime in itself. It is these conversations that could lead to evidence or clues that in turn lead to a person's persecution. As long as the person isn't doing anything illegal in real life, government monitoring isn't a problem to them.

The quote is a famous one regarding how a group stays silent in the face of injustice or threat to save itself until finally they themselves become the targets. However we are all already the targets and justice is served to the guilty.

This all seems very far off the original topic of phone calls.

I hope I make sense.

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[kbz1960]

Actually it doesn't. It starts with small things then the small things all add up.

[Troy Tiscareno]

The answer to the original question is "yes". There is no standard for high-level encryption for cell phone calls, so if a company were to encrypt their phones to make phone calls "secure", that phone could only call other such phones, and calls to any other phone would either not work at all or would be insecure. You should consider a phone call made on any commercially-available phone to be wide open as far as government monitoring is concerned.

[Craigash]

Your phone calls & text messaging go through your Network Carrier and not the BlackBerry Servers. In this day and age calls are monitored, for security reasons only.

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[TgeekB]

"They're coming to take me away, haha, to the funny farm where life is sweet"..

I live my life in the present and not in fear. Governments will do as they do but it will not change me.

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[ronfc]

Look, I know that we have a right to privacy, but can you do something about it in a digital world? Do you think that the US government will let us outsmart them? They will always find a way to infiltrate no matter what. You want anonymity in information? Don't use your cellphone.

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[just_luc]

It's not that your BlackBerry can be monitored, it's that it doesn't have to be. Sure BlackBerry is more secure then other devices and can protect your privacy and personal data on the device, but when it comes to monitoring phone calls your phone is irrelevant. Phone calls are not monitored on the phone, they are monitor via your carrier. It doesn't matter if you use a BlackBerry, an iPhone or a tin cup with a string.. in order for a phone call to be a phone call it needs to leave your phone, pass through your cell carrier and reach another phone. If AT&T for example is served with a warrant for your phone calls they're going to turn them over regardless of what type of phone you use.

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[ronfc]

It's like having your bag checked before you go inside an airport or mall or any "secured" establishment. Your bag is your "private" property. Guards just wanna check what's inside for security reasons. Because you know that you didn't tucked in any potential deadly weapon, explosives, or illegal drugs, and you know you won't be jailed when they see your stinky shirt inside, you let them take a peek, no need to feel threatened. BUT if you know you are doing something illegal, you feel frightened. Simple logic.

Cave, cave, moderator videt

[just_luc]

It's like having your bag checked before you go inside an airport or mall or any "secured" establishment. Your bag is your "private" property. Guards just wanna check what's inside for security reasons. Because you know that you didn't tucked in any potential deadly weapon, explosives, or illegal drugs, and you know you won't be jailed when they see your stinky shirt inside, you let them take a peek, no need to feel threatened. BUT if you know you are doing something illegal, you feel frightened. Simple logic.

Cave, cave, moderator videt

I think the difference is that's a known level of exposure. Yes you know there's nothing illegal in your bag, so you consent to the search. But when it comes to digital monitoring it can be a lot more extensive. I, like you. Don't have a problem with it. I consider myself an upstanding citizen and I'm ok with being monitored to be protected against terrorism and whatever other major events. But we all do things that are illegal. I'd like to think that the monitoring of citizens is limited to the preventing of major events.. but could they be monitoring my GPS to see if I'm speeding in my car? Could they be tracking my location and crossing that with my purchase to see if I wrote off something that wasn't a business expense? In theory they could.. I choose to believe that they aren't. But I can understand why some would be concerned with the level of monitoring that's possible.

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[ronfc]

Yes, I believe their only concerns are things that threatens national security. Unless you watch too much post-apocalyptic dystopian totalitarian films, this will be a very massive deal.

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[medic22003]

Bingo

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[just_luc]

I agree with you. But I can't argue with folks who say it's a slippery slope. Today they monitor for national security.. tomorrow ?

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[medic22003]

Again exactly the right context.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

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[ronfc]

Again exactly the right context.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

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Then, you're implying that what the government does is evil?

Cave, cave, moderator videt

[MarsupilamiX]

Then, you're implying that what the government does is evil?

Cave, cave, moderator videt

That thought never occured to you until now?
Damn, I would love to have such a simple view of the world...

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[donnation]

I'd love to know the number of people in here who speak about BB's security and blah blah blah that have a Facebook account. If you have a Facebook account you are out there, period.