[Tuco Ramirez]

Rather ominous that Blackberry hit a year low of 6.66 today.

Now that they won't be going private, the stock will get slaughtered even further when the next round of financials come out. This is going to be painful to watch.

[DenverRalphy]

Anyone else noticing the striking resemblances between the blackberry of today and the apple of the 90s. Apple and blackberry were both doing well and then both CEOs were fired(for different reasons obviously) and the companies then stalled and went close to bankruptcy with various replacement CEOs. After a large investment Steve jobs returned and turned apple back into a successful company. Rumours are that lazaridis will return under the large investment announced today. So could be it be a repeat? Could blackberry rise up once again?

I hope so

The two are absolutely NOTHING alike.

Jobs was fired for his overzealous demeanor that crossed the lines of employee treatment. When Apple went into decline, their one saving grace was that they could still go from concept to execution to deployment in a timely manner. Their lack of vision is what hurt them.

RIM on the other hand, had two Co - CEOs who both ran the company into the ground until they were both forced out due to incompetence. Despite what some BB fans have recently chosen to believe, Lazaridis is just as accountable and guilty as Balsillie. Lazaridis had one claim to fame... His initial idea, which worked not because he was better than others, but because he got there first. He subsequently caved in the face of competition. Add to that mess... RIM's inability EVER to demonstrate any competence to go from concept to deployment in anything resembling a timely manner.

Apple was able to bring Jobs back and subsequently rein in his employee treatment while taking advantage of his other abilities and at the same time able to execute as they always had.

RIM/BBRY on the other hand, would be facing a one - hit wonder for a company with one of the worst production execution records.


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[Poirots Progeny]

The two are absolutely NOTHING alike.

Jobs was fired for his overzealous demeanor that crossed the lines of employee treatment. When Apple went into decline, their one saving grace was that they could still go from concept to execution to deployment in a timely manner. Their lack of vision is what hurt them.

RIM on the other hand, had two Co - CEOs who both ran the company into the ground until they were both forced out due to incompetence. Despite what some BB fans have recently chosen to believe, Lazaridis is just as accountable and guilty as Balsillie. Lazaridis had one claim to fame... His initial idea, which worked not because he was better than others, but because he got there first. He subsequently caved in the face of competition. Add to that mess... RIM's inability EVER to demonstrate any competence to go from concept to deployment in anything resembling a timely manner.

Apple was able to bring Jobs back and subsequently rein in his employee treatment while taking advantage of his other abilities and at the same time able to execute as they always had.

RIM/BBRY on the other hand, would be facing a one - hit wonder for a company with one of the worst production execution records.


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Sadly you're spot on.

BlackBerry has many fortes; execution is not one of them. That is unfortunate and really does impact on the public perceived perception of the company.

But then, there are many things impacting on BlackBerry's image - much self inflicted.

Hopefully this interim ceo can hand the company over, to someone else, in better shape then he has received it today.

That next earnings call is going to be vital...



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[TgeekB]

We could go on like this forever.. so I'm going to agree to disagree. A billion $$ got written off because the phones didn't sell. Why did the phones not sell; the demand was not there. Why wasn't the demand there - 3 reasons. (1) BB has not marketed BB10 from day one; (2) Continual negativity regarding their future and products from the media and the Street (the shorters included); and (3) the Street forcing them into a position to manufacture too many phones to compete with Apple and the like than what the public demanded so a major surplus was created.

Nowhere did I say that it was the product that was at fault. I use my z10 as my daily driver and I'm in Engineering Design/Development and a Teckie. The average user doesn't use their half of what I use my phone for and others that have tried admit they are more efficient using a BB10 device (keyboard, hub, peek/flow, reply-able toast notifications, replaceable battery, extra memory storage, etc.) as compared to an Apple device. To me that got to be a significant benefit and not just subjective opinion, man.

You don't understand the smartphone market any more than Blackberry does. Apple does not build devices for you, they build them for the majority of users. Thus their sales numbers vs. Blackberry.

[agent2x0r]

I had been thinking about the same parallels. They both came back with new operating systems (both were version 10)... I just thought it was funny.

[lynxs_claw]

You don't understand the smartphone market any more than Blackberry does. Apple does not build devices for you, they build them for the majority of users. Thus their sales numbers vs. Blackberry.

Oh really. Glad to see how special I am vs. the average user. I guess that Samsung must have a much better understanding than Apple since Samsung sells way more phones worldwide than Apple. Hmmm, I wonder what the magic recipe is then

[lynxs_claw]

Perhaps the way it was said wasn't politic (funny nad joke though)

However: if that poster was suggesting that developers are apathetic towards BlackBerry - well that does appear to be the case.

Apathy may be too strong - but it is obvious that BlackBerry is seen warily - when considering where to spend development budgets the other platforms have to consider highly as they are selling well - even wp.

BlackBerry now has a lifeline - perhaps they can arrest this decline, and get devs on board too - though this whole predicament is not going to engender confidence!

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Still trying to understand the apathetic developers when I can port over an Android app on my BB10 device in 20 minutes and in most cases without issue. Too bad BB never provided the tools for such an easy transfer to BB10 .. oh wait a tick.. they did .. hmmm must be some other reason..

It's not like we're asking them to write a Windows app from scratch

[TgeekB]

Oh really. Glad to see how special I am vs. the average user. I guess that Samsung must have a much better understanding than Apple since Samsung sells way more phones worldwide than Apple. Hmmm, I wonder what the magic recipe is then

I can tell you what its not. Its not trying to scare people into thinking their device isn't secure enough. Its not about a business phone. Its not about tools not toys........

People can get mad, call people trolls, etc., etc. all they want. It doesn't help Blackberry sales. While I think BB10 is a decent platform, it brings nothing to the game that isn't already there.

[Wiki Cydia]

Oh really. Glad to see how special I am vs. the average user. I guess that Samsung must have a much better understanding than Apple since Samsung sells way more phones worldwide than Apple. Hmmm, I wonder what the magic recipe is then

Samsung does sell more phones, but not all those phones are smartphones. If you limit the comparison to "smartphones" the positions flip.

[avatsaev]

Just stop lying to yourselves people, this situation has nothing to do with Apple, the name of BlackBerry is done this is a harsh reality, how much longer to you need to see it.

For the average consumer, a smartphone is mostly just an app launcher. If you concede apps, you concede the whole game.

People here still didn't get this yet? You really still have to tell them that?

[kazza295]

So you are reluctant to post here because you will have to read truths about a failing company that couldn't get their stuff together. .ok. go find the Disney channel forum to post to spongebob.

Spongebob is nickelodeon... Get your facts straight

[Roo Zilla]

I'm still waiting for the guy who predicted BB10 would outsell iPhone within 12 months to chime in.

[lynxs_claw]

Spongebob is nickelodeon... Get your facts straight

That's my problem with this guy.. just can't his facts straight... oh well...

[xBURK]

I would love nothing more than this scenario, but it would take a miracle at this point. BlackBerry would have to come out with something revolutionary as Steve did back in his day. The main problem is that most companies have an ecosystem that includes many products joined together. BlackBerry has just one.....a phone.

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[semperfi45]

I would love nothing more than this scenario, but it would take a miracle at this point. BlackBerry would have to come out with something revolutionary as Steve did back in his day. The main problem is that most companies have an ecosystem that includes many products joined together. BlackBerry has just one.....a phone.
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They do have a software company that should help. I believe Blackberry will rise from the ashes.

[kbz1960]

I'm still waiting for the guy who predicted BB10 would outsell iPhone within 12 months to chime in.

I think he might have got a perma

[blackberryto]

Not suggesting you are incorrect, but to take a slightly different spin, consider that in some ways OTT messaging and MDM and MTM computing are all in the same place music downloading was when Apple came out with iTunes. And also where search was when Google came along. Both of them were successful in those markets because they simplified what seemed complicated. Blackberry has the same opportunity to do so with BBM, and if done right, make money off it through BBM Channels or other avenues they may imagine. Similar opportunities exist in MDM and MTM computing. The point is they have very valuable assets and a guy in John Chen leading strategy who has done it before with mobile software. Does that guarantee them success? Absolutely not. But was Apple in a better situation at the end of the 90's. Absolutely not. The same things being written about Blackberry were written about Apple. You will not find one person who in 1998 thought Apple would return to the status they had 10 years earlier. But not only did they return to that status, they well surpassed it. What Blackberry is trying to find, as you correctly point out, is stability. For the first time since 2008, they actually look like they have a plan to find that and that is only because they have somewhat at the top who has the capability to formulate a strategy to leverage their assets. Mike L is a brilliant engineer, but was never a strategy guy. Jim B was a great salesman, but was not a strategy guy. They did not know when to step aside. This is the move that should have been made 2 years ago. The road is now tougher, but not impossible.

[sinsin07]

Anyone else noticing the striking resemblances between the blackberry of today and the apple of the 90s. Apple and blackberry were both doing well and then both CEOs were fired(for different reasons obviously) and the companies then stalled and went close to bankruptcy with various replacement CEOs. After a large investment Steve jobs returned and turned apple back into a successful company. Rumours are that lazaridis will return under the large investment announced today. So could be it be a repeat? Could blackberry rise up once again?

I hope so

Ahh. The old Apple out of the hat trick again.

Blackberry will rise again, ...

Whose supplying the Viagra?

More similarities to Palm than Apple.

[Poirots Progeny]

Still trying to understand the apathetic developers when I can port over an Android app on my BB10 device in 20 minutes and in most cases without issue. Too bad BB never provided the tools for such an easy transfer to BB10 .. oh wait a tick.. they did .. hmmm must be some other reason..

It's not like we're asking them to write a Windows app from scratch

Just because you can be bothered to do it does not mean someone else will. Companies, or individuals, prioritise their time. BlackBerry isn't a priority for many, sadly.

Not yet, anyway.

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[xBURK]

They do have a software company that should help. I believe Blackberry will rise from the ashes.

I guess I was responding to the Thread Title and comparing the Actual Apple products that turned around Apple. You are right though, they do have other positive options. My dream includes BlackBerry hardware though.

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[talberry]

Agreed.. my friends all agree that BlackBerry actually makes really great phones. Build quality and even aesthetics wise.

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[kazza295]

Whose supplying the Viagra?

Thorstein is. Why, you need some?

[DenverRalphy]

I think he might have got a perma

Yeah. Last I recall he was banned. Must've been perma, cuz he would have been back by now.

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[abwan11]

It took Apple 4 quarters to sell 5 million phones when first released. I think BB10 is inline with that initial response Iphone had. I don't think it's good, but then again has any company released a new phone/OS and sold 5-10 million in the first few quarters?, anyone? It's clearer to me now that BB10 didn't have a shot in hell in meeting expectations, it was never possible by any measurement.

[sigint99]

It's a totally different environment that BlackBerry is competing in compared with what Apple faced back in the late 1990's. When Steve Jobs returned he diversified Apple's product lines and transformed the company into an appliance maker for the masses. The "Apple Computer" of the past could no longer compete effectively with cheap PC clones and the onslaught of Microsoft's predatory preloading of Windows.

BlackBerry is trying to remain relevant by being a "me too" player with BB10 yet the marketplace has spoken - it's too little to late. The Android/iOS juggernaut has pushed
BlackBerry into a corner and forced the company to survive on scraps. Security and efficiency don't mean much in the mobile computing market if a company like BlackBerry can't maintain a decent installed base. They might as well throw in the towel and hibernate as a niche service provider for the enterprise market.