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  1. yamahammer's Avatar
    It's a big issue in Canada right now, an RCMP member has been accused of stealing sensitive Government information.... coming out of this investigation is that there are upwards of 10,000 "Phantom" phones encrypted then sold and being used by criminals across the globe. Blackberry not involved but as the title says...
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ort...cure-1.5286140
    09-17-19 03:59 AM
  2. thurask's Avatar
    Well, modified BlackBerry phones:

    At the heart of the system was Canada's iconic Blackberry.

    Phantom Secure took the Blackberry phones, installed sophisticated encryption software and routed the data through encryption servers located in countries the company believed were unco-operative with law enforcement.

    ...

    Prosecutors said Phantom Secure maintained its servers in Panama and Hong Kong, using proxy servers to further disguise the location of its servers.
    Presumably because leaving it stock would be counter-intuitive.
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    09-17-19 05:47 AM
  3. SeeBeeEss's Avatar
    Criminals, eh? Finally, a niche market that could actually have the numbers to ensure BlackBerry device sustainability.
    09-17-19 07:44 AM
  4. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Criminals, eh? Finally, a niche market that could actually have the numbers to ensure BlackBerry device sustainability.
    It was back when every street corner dealer had them....10 years ago.

    But a specialized niche market with 4,000 users? That's not sustainability.
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    09-17-19 07:50 AM
  5. SeeBeeEss's Avatar
    It was back when every street corner dealer had them....10 years ago.

    But a specialized niche market with 4,000 users? That's not sustainability.
    Hey, the FBI estimates there are 73 million criminals in the U.S. alone - and that's not counting politicians, lawyers or used car salesman. Just think of the potential for worldwide sales if BlackBerry could have properly exploited and expanded upon the worldwide criminal market.
    09-17-19 08:54 AM
  6. i_plod_an_dr_void's Avatar
    Hey, the FBI estimates there are 73 million criminals in the U.S. alone - and that's not counting politicians, lawyers or used car salesman. Just think of the potential for worldwide sales if BlackBerry could have properly exploited and expanded upon the worldwide criminal market.
    Wow 1 in 3 or 4 is criminal? really? or are there way more illegals in the US than anyone really wants to officially admit? Habitual jaywalking aside.
    I'd like to think of it as....what deadbolt does jimmy the crowbar find the hardest to jimmy....kind of an underworld-handed product ringing validation.
    09-17-19 12:50 PM
  7. idssteve's Avatar
    It was back when every street corner dealer had them....10 years ago.

    But a specialized niche market with 4,000 users? That's not sustainability.
    Dunno first thing about criminal "business model" lol, but low volume niche "sustainability" MUST derive thru margins, saf, etc. Maybe criminals can justify $10k per phone "business expense" ? I'd run that by a good tax specialist, tho... lol.
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    09-17-19 01:04 PM
  8. i_plod_an_dr_void's Avatar
    Well, modified BlackBerry phones:



    Presumably because leaving it stock would be counter-intuitive.
    ....As do all U.S carriers when presented with a court order (if relevant) for SMS (or social media companies similiarly presented -facebook etc) regardless of device of origin.

    Also authenticating a message that law-enforcement already had in its possession is not the same as spilling all the beans because the government (in some other countries) has blanket access to all of it at any time presumably, sometimes built right into the non-blackberry phone's customization. Presumably Apple authenticates messages as well when officially requested by law enforcement (ie is it real or is it fake?)?

    So I guess the point is that secrecy oriented users should also purchase BlackBerry MDM software, not just it's phones, to wipe a device at any time as part of it's total security package. Corporations do. Governments do.
    09-17-19 01:12 PM
  9. Bla1ze's Avatar
    The only sure thing I ever learned about Phantom Secure devices in the years they've been reported on is.... to not use them.
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    09-17-19 01:20 PM
  10. Jeremy Hawke's Avatar
    Nothing New !
    London criminals have been using BB since they came into the UK here is a news articular from the 2011 London riots
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ter-blackberry
    09-18-19 10:50 AM
  11. i_plod_an_dr_void's Avatar
    Nothing New !
    London criminals have been using BB since they came into the UK here is a news articular from the 2011 London riots
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ter-blackberry
    LOL. But the ringleaders,deep instigators were using a lot of Mercedes, but I don't hear any media attempted drowning articles singling out the Benz.
    Last edited by i_plod_an_dr_void; 09-18-19 at 12:56 PM.
    09-18-19 12:19 PM

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