[tanzarian]

In my opinion, Android is less secure than iOS and BlackBerry 10. Android has bigger maket share, and therefore a bigger exposure to viruses, trojans and so on. On top of that, it was not built from scratch having security as its main driver.

On the other hand, the foundations of BlackBerry 10 are based on QNX, an Unix-like OS, and that means high level of security.

And just to finish, when BlackPhone (that super-secure Android) was rooted in 5 minutes many months ago, the hacker said "BlackBerry, you are next". He must be having a hard time with his BlackBerry...

[bakron1]

I have always said that the best security on any device is using common sense and having a strong password.

As far as the common sense theory goes, that seems to be the biggest culprit.

Sent from my lovely Clasic on T Mobile USA

[nikesu]

Yup Gimmick. Without BES, BB10 is just like any other OS (definitely more secured than androids though). I think iOS is more secured than BB10.

[lnichols]

BlackBerry waved away their consumer customers security when they dropped BIS in BB10, that's what made a BlackBerry more secure then other manufacturers.

Was it 100% secure? No, but that's not the point.

BBM with BIS is no more secure than BBM in BB10. Neither was email. In fact maybe less so as with BIS someone would just have to tap outside the NOC to look at all the email being proxied through there where now it goes from phone to carrier pop to email provider.

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[Maxxxpower]

I share the opinion that stepping away from BIS concerning eMails and Web-browsing is a huge step forward in security as it's much more difficult for the "Five eyes" to access all of your data. BIS has always been a weakness of Blackberrys for private customers.

[aTrueBbLover]

That's the question. Then why BlackBerry force it's user to bis? Only to make them feel they are secure or to just make money?

Curve 3G>Q5>Z10

[Soulstream]

I have heard stories online, but i don't know any person who got malware on their Android phone. But they only use Google Play store and don't download APKs from god knows where.

[Maxxxpower]

That's the question. Then why BlackBerry force it's user to bis? Only to make them feel they are secure or to just make money?

Because in the days
a) before "free" (you pay with your personal data) Google Mail (or comparable services) accounts and push via IMAP idle or EAS it was a great way for consumers to get push emails
b) before cheap data plans for smartphones, BIS data compression was useful to save money
And finally
c) RIM made (and Blackberry still makes) a lot of money by forcing customers of BBOS devices to use BIS

[belfastdispatcher]

Hmmm...you again with the negativity - You mean the total world wide smartphone users were only 25 million? I find that extremely difficult to believe - any facts to back up your claim?

In 2006 only 64 million smartphones shipped worldwide, shipped not even sold.

Most people were still buying dumb phones.


64 million smart phones shipped worldwide in 2006 | Canalys

[belfastdispatcher]

I share the opinion that stepping away from BIS concerning eMails and Web-browsing is a huge step forward in security as it's much more difficult for the "Five eyes" to access all of your data. BIS has always been a weakness of Blackberrys for private customers.

Weakness? BIS has never been hacked, governments were crying out that they couldnt access it, never mind criminals.

[Maxxxpower]

Weakness? BIS has never been hacked, governments were crying out that they couldnt access it, never mind criminals.

..and because they were crying, RIM gave them access. And the ones who had access never cried.

How the NSA Spies on Smartphones Including the BlackBerry - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Indian government now able to tap BBM messages | CrackBerry.com

[Dunt Dunt Dunt]

Quote from this article: Why I Prefer The Blackberry Passport Over My iPhone 6 - Forbes

"According to every cybersecurity expert that I have consulted both in the United States and Europe, Blackberry is still the most secure smartphone that is available. I submitted new phones, with the latest operating system, to Paraben, a globally recognized cellular forensics lab, and to Dr. Richard Mislan, a cybersecurity and forensics specialist at Rochester Institute of Technology for a vulnerability analysis. Both of these experts confirmed the high level of security of the devices.

Every Blackberry was designed and built on a security-based platform, which distinguished it from every other smartphone vendor. The Blackberry OS expertise with security predates Android and iOS by several years so that virtually every aspect of data storage, applications, interaction with other devices, and communications is protected."

Unless you guys have a PHD in Cybersecurity and forensics and is published as an expert, i say this rests the case of blackberry being more secure or not.

Your experts talked about the device alone... not in real world use.

Did the do test installing Android Apps via Amazon?
Did the do test sideloading SNAP and then installing Google Play Apps?
Did THEY compare iMessage to BBM and give a comparison?

The guy writing the article seemed very pro BlackBerry and Passport... most professional reviewers will give the positive with the negative and let the reader decided. Other than admitting he still had to carry his iPhone, he didn't have too many negatives to report. In the end, much of what HE SAID was just an opinion... what the experts said was very little.

I would say that if you don't install any Android Apps and that you keep you phone locked that a BlackBerry is secure and will keep out the average person. If you for some reason expect that you are totally secure and that no one can access you BBM, Phone or Emails... you are mistaken.

On security... one interesting point about BES... it isn't very good when it comes to securing iOS or Android. One reason you don't see it being used as much, other than within companies with mainly BlackBerry fleets.

[The Big Picture]

There's a reason why presidents, prime ministers and vice chancellor's use BlackBerry.

Sure they use modified ones rather than your regular run of the mill retail blackberry.

And NO none of them use BES.

BUT do you think it's just a coincidence they are ALL using blackberries?

Why not use a modified iOS or android?

Go figure.

Enough with this pointless discussion. BlackBerry does have better security than other phones and no they can't tell you why. It's a trade secret.

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[The Big Picture]

Your experts talked about the device alone... not in real world use.

Did the do test installing Android Apps via Amazon?
Did the do test sideloading SNAP and then installing Google Play Apps?
Did THEY compare iMessage to BBM and give a comparison?

The guy writing the article seemed very pro BlackBerry and Passport... most professional reviewers will give the positive with the negative and let the reader decided. Other than admitting he still had to carry his iPhone, he didn't have too many negatives to report. In the end, much of what HE SAID was just an opinion... what the experts said was very little.

I would say that if you don't install any Android Apps and that you keep you phone locked that a BlackBerry is secure and will keep out the average person. If you for some reason expect that you are totally secure and that no one can access you BBM, Phone or Emails... you are mistaken.

On security... one interesting point about BES... it isn't very good when it comes to securing iOS or Android. One reason you don't see it being used as much, other than within companies with mainly BlackBerry fleets.

Who cares what the author thinks. And aren't we talking about the device itself? If this were about BBM, amazon app store or android apps then I think the title of this thread should be changed.

The experts very clearly stated that BlackBerry 10 is the most secure.

Put it this way, if there are many holes in a bucket, wouldn't the one with the least holes be the more secure?

Sure apps, voice, messaging all have their own vulnerabilities. But at least you don't have to worry about the OS itself.

Want a secure phone? Use BlackBerry with no android apps, BBM protected and securesmart once it becomes available.

Don't ask me ask DR Richard Mislan yourself.



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[The Big Picture]

Oh wow, you must be an insider^^

Logically do you think the heads of any country or state would allow BlackBerry, even though it's a Canadian company and therefore "neutral" access to their information?

I'm talking about obama, Merkel and Cameron here. The most powerful people in the world.

Seriously?

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[AnimalPak200]

I thought the whole advantage of BB10 (or BBOS) devices came down to the silicon-level fingerprinting of the system components. You see many people here wonder if their BlackBerry device is a 'real' BlackBerry device, or if it was somehow a made-in-China (except for the Z3 of course) spoof. That's literally impossible, as you cannot load a BlackBerry OS onto a non-fingerprinted SOC. This means people can't be fooled into buying or using a device that could be running a maliciously-modified version of BB10. Conversely, ONLY OS releases SIGNED BY BlackBerry can be loaded onto their devices. This silicon-level fingerprinting verification is performed every time a BlackBerry device is turned on.

Android on the other hand, by its very nature, can be loaded into anything and appear in whatever form the developer wishes. Is that a real Samsung Galaxy device? Are you sure someone didn't load a custom OS that looks like Touch-Wiz but key-logs all your passwords and sends the payload to them? Exactly.

Now... of course there is no way to guarantee security of your data once it has left your domain.
- You sent that super encrypted Whatsapp message to your girlfriend who hates passwords and loves to share her selfies by passing her phone around her class room.
- You sent a certificate-signed e-mail to your co-worker... who is into porn and happened to have used his e-mail credentials to sign up for a 'free trial'.
- Your best buddy, who likes to drink a bit too much and unfortunately has a pin password of 1111, left his phone in a cab last night. In it is all your personal and work contact information.

So yeah... I'm not sure what everyone is going on about. But two things should be clear: (1) BlackBerry OS and devices are extremely secure in as much a way as a hardware and OS combination can be secure, but (2) the weakest link of any security protocol is usually outside of the domain you have control over (sending device, transmission protocols), especially for 'pedestrian' smart phone users (which is what the OP referred to) in which you have no idea what recipients do and don't do.

[The Big Picture]

I thought the whole advantage of BB10 (or BBOS) devices came down to the silicon-level fingerprinting of the system components. You see many people here wonder if their BlackBerry device is a 'real' BlackBerry device, or if it was somehow a made-in-China (except for the Z3 of course) spoof. That's literally impossible, as you cannot load a BlackBerry OS onto a non-fingerprinted SOC. This means people can't be fooled into buying or using a device that could be running a maliciously-modified version of BB10. Conversely, ONLY OS releases SIGNED BY BlackBerry can be loaded onto their devices. This silicon-level fingerprinting verification is performed every time a BlackBerry device is turned on.

Android on the other hand, by its very nature, can be loaded into anything and appear in whatever form the developer wishes. Is that a real Samsung Galaxy device? Are you sure someone didn't load a custom OS that looks like Touch-Wiz but key-logs all your passwords and sends the payload to them? Exactly.

Now... of course there is no way to guarantee security of your data once it has left your domain.
- You sent that super encrypted Whatsapp message to your girlfriend who hates passwords and loves to share her selfies by passing her phone around her class room.
- You sent a certificate-signed e-mail to your co-worker... who is into porn and happened to have used his e-mail credentials to sign up for a 'free trial'.
- Your best buddy, who likes to drink a bit too much and unfortunately has a pin password of 1111, left his phone in a cab last night. In it is all your personal and work contact information.

So yeah... I'm not sure what everyone is going on about. But two things should be clear: (1) BlackBerry OS and devices are extremely secure in as much a way as a hardware and OS combination can be secure, but (2) the weakest link of any security protocol is usually outside of the domain you have control over (sending device, transmission protocols), especially for 'pedestrian' smart phone users (which is what the OP referred to) in which you have no idea what recipients do and don't do.

This.

http://thedroidguy.com/2014/04/how-t...artphone-88896

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[DaFoxGrey]

Well this thread is about comparing the security of non-BES BBs to other platforms.

Please re-read the OP's post and subject......

Now, re-read it again.....

Did you see where he asked about BlackBerry vs other platforms?
Nope.

If you want to start a topic about BlackBerry vs other platforms, go for it. Please don't derail other's.

[donnation]

Please re-read the OP's post and subject......

Now, re-read it again.....

Did you see where he asked about BlackBerry vs other platforms?
Nope.

If you want to start a topic about BlackBerry vs other platforms, go for it. Please don't derail other's.

How can you have a conversation about BB's security and not compare it to other platforms?

[Morten]

Roflmao. Even Blackberry itself states that encryption using the global pin encryption key is sometimes refered to as "scrambling"

Does not matter - encryption is encryption, scrambling is scrambling - what people call it for "convenience" does not make it right

...but in practice the apk file can access any other data stored on your Blackberry

No it can't!

Data stored in a BB10 app container, can not be accessed by any other app, regardless of it being BB10 or Android. The only way to "move" data or to access it, would be to first push it out to public domain, f.ex in a shared folder.

Wrong and misleading as proven by me in this thread when comparing BB10 to iOS .

If any comparison should be made, it must be BB10 and iOS, not android on BB10 vs iOS. Nothing is 100% secure, but the facts are still there: Only BlackBerry10 is an OS with tight security built deep into the OS. The Android environment is still secure, but NOT as secured as BB10, which is also why anyone who cares about security, would not consider using Android apps that can compromise anything.


iOS is not a bad OS, but it was not designed with security at it's core, BB10 is still the only mobile platform where security has been baked into it from the very beginning, and throughout the whole eco system. So calling that a "gimmick" would be totally wrong

[ALToronto]

I have a security question that I have asked about several times, and have not gotten a straight answer.

If I use my mobile browser, on data, to access my bank account, can someone intercept it and also gain access? Is this any different between different platforms?

Now another, related question comes to mind: if I access an online forum or website that may be monitored by government agencies, can I be discovered?

These are the security issues that concern me, not whether or not my texts are confidential.

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[lnichols]

Logically do you think the heads of any country or state would allow BlackBerry, even though it's a Canadian company and therefore "neutral" access to their information?

I'm talking about obama, Merkel and Cameron here. The most powerful people in the world.

Seriously?

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They use BES. BlackBerry has no access to the BES once the agency specific crypto keys, certs, etc. are out into the BES. No reason for them to use BBOS or BB10 without the BES, and BBOS won't work without one anyway. Merkel's just has the voice crypto company technology BlackBerry bought in it. They aren't going to be using a BlackBerry for classified comms, just unclassified, but sensitive comms.

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[Morten]

If I use my mobile browser, on data, to access my bank account, can someone intercept it and also gain access? Is this any different between different platforms?

No difference. Except from the fact that you have less probability of having a spyware on your BB10 device than on Android, so in that sense you are "safer" if such thing exist.

But by using security keys/card and 2 or 3 step login processes, you should be pretty secure. Perhaps even more secure than when you use your desktop to do the same

if I access an online forum or website that may be monitored by government agencies, can I be discovered?

Of course. Unless you use complex proxy systems for your access, it would be possible to trace you down and shut down all your illegal activities

These are the security issues that concern me, not whether or not my texts are confidential.

texts as in SMS, are not secure either. Voice conversations done using GSM is also easily interceptable by those with equipment to do so

[gvs1341]

Hey OP, I told you on the first page itself. BB10 security is indeed a gimmick.

Just some clever marketing (if BlackBerry ever did any!) and a lot of smoke and mirrors! Most people fall for it though ;-)

i) Except for under TH, BlackBerry never really tried to target the mass consumer market.
ii) On legacy devices BIS took care of security for non corporate / non BES users. iOS & Adenoid at that time were not equal in terms of providing end to end security.
iii) Now BB10 without BES is as secure or insecure as the user chooses / decides to make it.

Security on any smartphone running on a mature and well developed software platform, irrespective of whether it's iOS, Adenoid, WP or BB10, is ultimately in the hands of the end user.

Good old fashioned common sense is the best security you see :-)

CB10 @ Q5

[trsbbs]

I'm not the type to spoon feed you the information. If you can't read and discern it, that's a personal issue. The OP asked for some info and I provided it. You can lay off the trolling and semantics now. Thanks

Tour 9630 > Bold 9650 > Q10 > Classic or Passport???

Posting links with no opinion or taking the time to put your thoughts down is lazy. Then to cop an attitude is childish.
If you don't think your opinion is worth your time to place here then it's not worth any of my time what so ever.




BlackBerry hates America!