1. Hamp's Avatar
    "BlackBerry's manufacturer, Research In Motion, seems to be a smarter smartphone maker than most, or at least a more flexible one. No other manufacturer for Verizon or nTelos service sells a smartphone that can't take pictures."

    Here's the full article from one of two of my local online newspapers.
    BlackBerry offers phones for military bases | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com
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    02-19-12 07:09 AM
  2. palmless's Avatar
    In a volume manufacturing business (such as smartphones), addressing small niches that won't pay a significant premium is a bottom-line killer.
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    02-19-12 08:48 AM
  3. llllBULLSEYE's Avatar
    They are not addressing the profit which is nothing to RIM
    this is basically a min profit considering the small amount of users for this device.
    The bigger picture of the article is RIM is smarter in this case.
    This person will use their Blackberry and get used to the OS + BBM and
    might get his wife or kids BB to BBM with them. Also when he leaves The service will
    most likely consider a BB10 phone. This is more promotion than
    anything for RIM.
    02-19-12 09:18 AM
  4. notataloss's Avatar
    Perhaps this is the reason the military is selecting Blackberry:

    "No other manufacturer for Verizon or nTelos service sells a smartphone that can't take pictures."
    02-19-12 10:54 AM
  5. CrackedBarry's Avatar
    Perhaps this is the reason the military is selecting Blackberry:

    "No other manufacturer for Verizon or nTelos service sells a smartphone that can't take pictures."
    Yeah, that's actually not true, and somebody should contact that journalist, chide him for shoddy research, and point him in the right direction, like here:

    Camera-less iPhone 4S now available in Singapore, military approves -- Engadget

    Apple makes iPhones without cameras, though you probably need to order directly from them.

    As a matter of fact, most manufacturers make models without cameras for niche markets, though they're usually only available if you inquire about them.
    02-19-12 11:16 AM
  6. anon3396357's Avatar
    Yeah, that's actually not true, and somebody should contact that journalist, chide him for shoddy research, and point him in the right direction, like here:

    Camera-less iPhone 4S now available in Singapore, military approves -- Engadget

    Apple makes iPhones without cameras, though you probably need to order directly from them.

    As a matter of fact, most manufacturers make models without cameras for niche markets, though they're usually only available if you inquire about them.
    Actually, M1 remove the cameras from the sets themselves. Apple doesn't produce camera-less phones AFAIK. These phones are not covered under AppleCare too.
    02-19-12 11:38 AM
  7. kraski's Avatar
    Yeah, that's actually not true, and somebody should contact that journalist, chide him for shoddy research, and point him in the right direction, like here:

    Camera-less iPhone 4S now available in Singapore, military approves -- Engadget

    Apple makes iPhones without cameras, though you probably need to order directly from them.

    As a matter of fact, most manufacturers make models without cameras for niche markets, though they're usually only available if you inquire about them.
    But M1 is GSM with non-US freqs. The article specifically mentioned Verizon, which is CDMA. It sounds very much like Verizon is a specified carrier, either by signal strength in the area or because of military approval. Or it's the only carrier that nTelos Wireless sells and nTelos is approved. The M1 phones wouldn't fill that need. And I doubt that any phone maker is going to commit to small runs of this nature without being first approved as a supplier for a given carrier/signal type/frequency set.

    In the past, Apple and, I believe, others tried getting around the no camera rule for secure areas by making a back that covered the camera. That shortcut wasn't taken too well by the military. If that's still in decisionmakers' minds or on still accessible records, that may make it harder for some to be approved.

    There may also be limitations based on run size. The M1 contract seems like it's an exclusive. So does the US military one for the Virginia base. If multiple phone makers are approved, that fragments the market just as it is with normal smartphones. But the already small niche for cameraless phones becomes untenable if it's made even smaller by having multiple choices of manufacturer. The phones either become excessively expensive to buy or too expensive to make and sell at a slightly higher than normal price.
    02-19-12 12:12 PM
  8. CrackedBarry's Avatar
    Did you read the link? It's iphone4 and 4s with no cameras. The 4S has a dual gsm/CDMA radio chip, just like the newer generation of regular iphone4 has.

    There basically isn't such a thing as GSM iPhone anymore...
    02-19-12 01:34 PM
  9. kg4icg's Avatar
    Hey people, the only iPhone 4S's with cdma/gsm radios in them are on Sprint and Verizon, all others are gsm only. As for RIMM making Blackberries with no cams, that has been going on since the 9630. As a matter of fact it is a requirement in most Government jobs that have high security areas, that no camera phones are allowed period which includes military bases.
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    02-19-12 10:22 PM
  10. AlienSlacker's Avatar
    Hey people, the only iPhone 4S's with cdma/gsm radios in them are on Sprint and Verizon, all others are gsm only. As for RIMM making Blackberries with no cams, that has been going on since the 9630. As a matter of fact it is a requirement in most Government jobs that have high security areas, that no camera phones are allowed period which includes military bases.
    So very true . My second job is at a research company that does nothing but govt contracts and all personal phones are left either in your car or your locker. They only issue non camera encrypted BB's and I am not allowed to take it home or off the premises in any way. Rim is very smart in issuing camera less versions of their phones and there is a larger market for them then people like to think. Also garnering some goodwill amongst Military personell is not a bad thing.
    02-19-12 10:59 PM
  11. BergerKing's Avatar
    Hey people, the only iPhone 4S's with cdma/gsm radios in them are on Sprint and Verizon, all others are gsm only. As for RIMM making Blackberries with no cams, that has been going on since the 9630. As a matter of fact it is a requirement in most Government jobs that have high security areas, that no camera phones are allowed period which includes military bases.
    They go back farther than that.
    02-19-12 11:48 PM
  12. kraski's Avatar
    Did you read the link? It's iphone4 and 4s with no cameras. The 4S has a dual gsm/CDMA radio chip, just like the newer generation of regular iphone4 has.

    There basically isn't such a thing as GSM iPhone anymore...
    "World phones". Non-US GSM frequency sets. Very useful for data in Virginia.

    That set up still doesn't get around needing to be approved before they can even sell cameraless phones to any secure government department.
    02-20-12 12:13 AM
  13. joshueL's Avatar
    Perhaps this is the reason the military is selecting Blackberry:

    "No other manufacturer for Verizon or nTelos service sells a smartphone that can't take pictures."
    you have a point here.
    02-20-12 03:00 AM
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