- My apologies if this has been covered in the forums but I do have a rather simple question to ask the community at large.
Why do you all complain of battery pulls when it is so simple to reboot your berry by pressing alt+right shift+del? Why would you need QuickPull when that simple combination exists? Am I missing something?02-08-10 02:38 PMLike 0 - amazinglygracelessRetired ModQuickPull = Worthless
Keyborad reset = Pointless in most cases
Physical battery pull = Should be done ONLY as a last resort.
There is no point or benefit to doing these things with any regularity,
have no real bearing on memory or performance.02-08-10 03:03 PMLike 0 - SevereDeceitSDI agree, the only time I do a battery pull is after installing an application or when my device is acting buggy...02-08-10 03:05 PMLike 0
- @ amazinglygraceless please explain. Are you saying just close all your applications and your berry will be back to "full memory" in no time? I hadn't noticed a need to reset very often myself as well but those times when it does slow down certainly are helped with the reset option02-08-10 03:07 PMLike 0
- I only did battery pulls when the phone froze or something. I never did it on a daily basis on ever had QuickPull installed on any of my devices. But most people do a battery pull just because it is more believed that a hard reset like that is more beneficial than a soft reset.02-08-10 03:07 PMLike 0
- SevereDeceitSDCorrect, in order for a true reboot to occur, all power needs to be removed so the device and it's capacitors "die". This has to be done manually because the OS cannot replicate a power loss, QuickPull only "simulates" a battery pull. That is why nothing replaces the battery pull...02-08-10 03:11 PMLike 0
- amazinglygracelessRetired Mod@ amazinglygraceless please explain. Are you saying just close all your applications and your berry will be back to "full memory" in no time? I hadn't noticed a need to reset very often myself as well but those times when it does slow down certainly are helped with the reset option
(part of the Java Machine) will kick in automatically when the memory is
too low.
Better than forced resets is simply basic housekeeping. Delete messages
that are not essential, clear caches, close apps properly, etc and you
will be just fine.02-08-10 03:31 PMLike 0 - I don't disagree with that in theory, but I personally have had a better experience with my Curve when I use QuickPull to reboot nightly.02-08-10 03:45 PMLike 0
- I have to disagree as well. I have seen some apps leave data behind that only gets cleaned up with a reset. Sure, the garbage collector will free up memory as needed, but if apps have memory leaks, that portion of memory doesn't always get cleared (and messages, log, and other information can go by the wayside first).
Storms don't have keyboards, so QuickPull or battery pull are the only options. One single Alt-Shift-Del will soft-reboot. Press Alt-Shift-Delete as soon as the white screen appears and it will give you a hard reboot (similar to a battery pull).
I do agree, though. If all apps closed properly and didn't have memory leaks, there wouldn't be a need to pull the battery.02-08-10 03:52 PMLike 0 -
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com02-08-10 04:00 PMLike 0 - amazinglygracelessRetired Mod
memory leaks they are, well, wrong. The phone is doing what it does.
People has been so preached to about watching memory. Then comes along
an app that makes grand promises and you have a perfect storm of confusion
and misinformation.
Yes some apps are problematic but a simpler solution to me is to delete
anything that does not perform properly (i.e. Viigo)
I currently have 54 installed apps. Of those 6 are never closed out making
for 11 apps that are always running in the background. I never look at
my memory except for beta testing one app. And even then I don't care
what the number is.02-08-10 04:33 PMLike 0 -
http://forums.crackberry.com/f2/battery-problem-419111/02-08-10 05:21 PMLike 0 - @amazinglygraceless,
OK, I'll admit that I have (and use often) Viigo. I love it too much to take it off.
One other thing I have observed is that it is easy to leave "apps" running in the background unintentionally, such as the address book if I open it and make a call from it.02-08-10 05:24 PMLike 0 - amazinglygracelessRetired Mod
One other thing I have observed is that it is easy to leave "apps" running in the background unintentionally, such as the address book if I open it and make a call from it.
certainly not affect the performance of my device. I did the same with the 8310
and that thing had only 64mb of memory.02-08-10 05:35 PMLike 0 -
Like you, I don't run QuickPull or any other scheduled resets. But I do periodic resets and an occasional bp if my memory drops below 10mb. I always close apps when I'm finished, and I keep things maintained pretty well. And I seem to pretty good at avoiding "crapware" (e.g. Facebook).
Just curious.02-08-10 11:19 PMLike 0 - amazinglygracelessRetired ModAG, do you ever get a slowdown or the dreaded hourglass/clock dial indicating a slowdown? At that point, do you do a bp or reset?
Like you, I don't run QuickPull or any other scheduled resets. But I do periodic resets and an occasional bp if my memory drops below 10mb. I always close apps when I'm finished, and I keep things maintained pretty well. And I seem to pretty good at avoiding "crapware" (e.g. Facebook).
Just curious.
but it lasts for a second or two so I don't worry about it.
The only time I do a reset is with an app install / deletion or and OS
upgrade / reinstall.
Somewhere on this forum I posted my uptimes with screenshots.
The Pearl was 103 days and the Curve I think was 54.
(Uptime = time since last reset)02-08-10 11:29 PMLike 0 - 2 things about a battery pull.
First, it is superior in the sense that when you leave the battery out for 10 to 30 seconds the internal RAM the CPU uses is reset. QuickPull cannot do that. In fact, nothing can wipe memory as completely as a battery pull.
Second, there is a legitimate reason to pull the battery but it really doesn't need to be done more than once every few months. The nature of LIon batteries makes their voltage monitors drift over time. So one day you think you have 95% battery left when really you have 90%.
But this takes a long time to happen, so generally it is not a worry.02-08-10 11:43 PMLike 0 -
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