05-03-11 08:47 AM
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  1. editionfws's Avatar
    Anyone seen this? Aparently in michigan, if you get pulled over, cops can see everything on your phone...

    http://translogic.aolautos.com/2011/04/29/police-device-used-to-steal-your-cell-phone-data-during-traffic/

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    04-30-11 10:03 PM
  2. kyroguy's Avatar
    New? I have heard they have been using it for years. So glad I moved out of that **** hole of a state.

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    04-30-11 11:33 PM
  3. dictoresno's Avatar
    which would be illegal. violates rights on so many levels.
    Last edited by dictoresno; 05-01-11 at 12:45 AM.
    05-01-11 12:42 AM
  4. mimik128's Avatar
    Un real ... What's next wire taping ... Wait they allready do that ... Man is any thing private now a days ?

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    05-01-11 01:53 AM
  5. FunktasticLucky's Avatar
    haha glad i have a BB. What you can't have my phone sir. security wipe... then when he takes it and downloads nothing then I'll sue him for violating my constitutional rights. Seriously... how is this not viloating the 4th ammendment? What cause do they have to search my phone? Is this just so they can add on a fine for talking on your phone while driving? What about the fact that MS Sync can do voice to text... so even a text message in my vehicle isn't necessarily me actually texting on my phone. I think this is such bull**** and I don't know why people stand for this crap instead of fighting back... it's why the US is in the shape that it is today.
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    05-01-11 07:21 AM
  6. anon(1308230)'s Avatar
    haha glad i have a BB. What you can't have my phone sir. security wipe... then when he takes it and downloads nothing then I'll sue him for violating my constitutional rights...
    LOL have you ever done a security wipe? Damn thing takes 10 minutes! How you going to stall the cop that long?
    05-01-11 08:03 AM
  7. editionfws's Avatar
    if they did get proof that you were talking on your phone, and they brought you to court because they used this little thing, I'm sure you could fight it and win. The whole idea is just crazy. I don't understand how it works because there are so many different file types, and so many different phones, it would have to read EVERY file type. And they would have to carry around different adaptors. I know now a lot have the mini and micro usb, but then there's the iphone and so many other older ports. That's too much added crap to carry for a cop.

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    05-01-11 10:21 AM
  8. editionfws's Avatar
    And another thing, a cop needs probable cause (spelling? Sorry spell check doesn't work when I type here) to search your car?? Just say you were rushing home to go back and get your phone. He has no reason to search your car. And what, do they need reason to search the phone? Or are they going to do it at every traffic stop? I'm sure big businesses are going to love the security breach. I'm sure a lot of businesses in detroit use bbs, and wouldn't like cops searching their employees phones.

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    05-01-11 10:25 AM
  9. pineypl's Avatar
    Once a security wipe is started, it is good to go. A battery pull will only stop it. Once you power up, the wipe continues.

    Perhaps a foil lined bag would be good to put the BlackBerry in when you get pulled over. Of course the first question is why are you getting pulled over?

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    05-01-11 10:57 AM
  10. Blacklac's Avatar
    you do not have to give them your phone if you do not want to or unless they have a warrant.
    05-01-11 12:14 PM
  11. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    I've been following this subject for the past week. From what I've gathered the last few days is that the device can only be used with a search warrant or with consent. So don't give consent, and don't hand over the device without a warrant.

    It does appear that the Michigan police may have abused it though. They're acting a bit difficult while the ACLU is requesting documents to review its use. And instead of denying the use of the device on routine traffic stops, their response was "We've had not complaints."

    Some info in this link... High-Tech*Police*Spying Sparks Privacy Battle - FoxNews.com
    05-01-11 12:26 PM
  12. Blacklac's Avatar
    im actually curious if that device can bypass BB's password and encryption anyways.
    05-01-11 12:51 PM
  13. T
    Many of you have BlackBerries. Take advantage of the security features! ENCRYPT YOUR CONTACTS AND OTHER DATA:

    http://forums.crackberry.com/f3/how-...a-card-607887/

    If ANYONE gets around your password by using some kind of utility in combination with a computer or other device, all he will have found is a bunch of encrypted files.

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    05-01-11 12:53 PM
  14. T
    im actually curious if that device can bypass BB's password and encryption anyways.
    No, it can't. BlackBerry uses AES (encryption standard) which, without the actual password, cannot be cracked. Even if someone gets around the password (bypasses it somehow so that the device becomes unlocked), the files themselves will remain encrypted.

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    Last edited by Tnis; 05-01-11 at 01:04 PM.
    05-01-11 12:57 PM
  15. GTWalling's Avatar
    Also the article stated the device can even recover deleted items, as email, sms, pictures, ect. A security wipe may not protect the phone unless it does a rewrite over the information.
    05-01-11 03:37 PM
  16. SRR500's Avatar
    Encryption is irrelevent. Resistance is futile.

    A cop friend of mine told me that the portable device that they use on traffic stops doesn't actually download any data from the phone.

    It uses the phone to log onto the cellular network and reads the call/data/text logs from the tower. Will tell them if you have been texting, talking, etc. It won't actually display any texts or data. It will however show who (phone number) you called or sent a text to/from.

    All the cop has to do is inform you that you are suspected of texting while driving and there is his probable cause to search the phone.

    Vehicle search rights are different than that of a home or business because it is being operated on a public road.

    BTW he tells me that almost everyone claims to have been "checking the time".

    That excuse doesn't work. Checking time is still "using a mobile communication device while operating a motor vehicle"

    To actually look at files on the phone they have to use a different device which is kept at the station. There encryption might help you out.

    Like I said resistance is futile.

    I've never encountered the device myself. I'm just repeating what I was told about it when I asked him.

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    Last edited by dairyberry; 05-01-11 at 04:51 PM.
    05-01-11 04:46 PM
  17. MobileMadness002's Avatar
    LOL have you ever done a security wipe? Damn thing takes 10 minutes! How you going to stall the cop that long?
    Don't have to stall the cop at all. Once a wipe starts the device will continue with the wipe process it is completed. Pull the battery, put it back in and the wipe will start over again. If the device is operational at all because of the battery pull.
    05-01-11 05:18 PM
  18. T
    Here's another recent topic on the matter:

    http://forums.crackberry.com/f2/un-nerving-606991/

    I think the whole resistance is futile thing is just cop/government propaganda. Encrypt your data ... just in case they hook your phone up to one of the Cellebrite devices that accesses mobile device data. If you're in a state that has given these devices to the police to use, get educated. Question under what authority police are accessing carrier data. Did the state pass a law that could be successfully challenged/overturned? If so, take it all the way to the Supreme Court. If the carrier is cooperating with the police and giving them information about your calls and texts without a court order, look into a lawsuit. Granted, the sleazy carriers might pull out that "terms of service" fine print, but maybe that stuff could be challenged in a lawsuit, perhaps even at the class action level. If you don't want to look into it, or you have a "can't fight city hall" mentality, roll over and live with it.

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    Last edited by Tnis; 05-01-11 at 06:57 PM.
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    05-01-11 06:46 PM
  19. SRR500's Avatar
    I really don't think the cops care about the data on your phone unless it's pertinent to the situation.

    If they stop you for breaking the texting while driving laws then they have the probable cause to search your phone. Just like if they stop you for suspected drunk driving then they should give you a field sobriety test. These actions serve one of two purposes. One to prove that you broke the law or two to prove that you didn't.

    They won't be interested in anything else on the phone unless its full of child porn or appointments with drug dealers etc.

    Bottom line for me is this. If I haven't done anything wrong then I will do what is required to prove it.

    Thanks to all the officers out there for doing their best to keep the roads as safe as possible.

    Having said all of this, I also do not agree that a phone search should be part of a routine traffic stop. If I'm pulled over for a broken tail light there is NO reason for me to give up my phone for a search.

    There seems to be a lot of sides and opinions to this issue. Definitely makes for good reading and discussion.

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    05-01-11 07:58 PM
  20. editionfws's Avatar
    Encryption is irrelevent. Resistance is futile.

    A cop friend of mine told me that the portable device that they use on traffic stops doesn't actually download any data from the phone.

    It uses the phone to log onto the cellular network and reads the call/data/text logs from the tower. Will tell them if you have been texting, talking, etc. It won't actually display any texts or data. It will however show who (phone number) you called or sent a text to/from.

    All the cop has to do is inform you that you are suspected of texting while driving and there is his probable cause to search the phone.

    Vehicle search rights are different than that of a home or business because it is being operated on a public road.

    BTW he tells me that almost everyone claims to have been "checking the time".

    That excuse doesn't work. Checking time is still "using a mobile communication device while operating a motor vehicle"

    To actually look at files on the phone they have to use a different device which is kept at the station. There encryption might help you out.

    Like I said resistance is futile.

    I've never encountered the device myself. I'm just repeating what I was told about it when I asked him.

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    So just curious, what state does he work in? Is it michigan? Or are other states using this?

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    05-01-11 09:13 PM
  21. SRR500's Avatar
    So just curious, what state does he work in? Is it michigan? Or are other states using this?
    He works in Kansas.

    I'm not sure how widespread the use is there.

    He has been on active duty in Iraq since last October so these devices might have become more common since he shipped out.

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    05-01-11 09:42 PM
  22. _StephenBB81's Avatar
    I really don't think the cops care about the data on your phone unless it's pertinent to the situation.

    If they stop you for breaking the texting while driving laws then they have the probable cause to search your phone. Just like if they stop you for suspected drunk driving then they should give you a field sobriety test. These actions serve one of two purposes. One to prove that you broke the law or two to prove that you didn't.

    They won't be interested in anything else on the phone unless its full of child porn or appointments with drug dealers etc.

    Bottom line for me is this. If I haven't done anything wrong then I will do what is required to prove it.

    Thanks to all the officers out there for doing their best to keep the roads as safe as possible.

    Having said all of this, I also do not agree that a phone search should be part of a routine traffic stop. If I'm pulled over for a broken tail light there is NO reason for me to give up my phone for a search.

    There seems to be a lot of sides and opinions to this issue. Definitely makes for good reading and discussion.

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    IF you look at the Photo's of what the device can pull out, that is what would bother me.

    I am fine with them viewing my call logs if I broke the law that is the price I pay, I am NOT fine with them knowing who is in my contact list, and what pictures I have on my device. that is digging a little too deep into my personal life for my liking.
    05-01-11 10:13 PM
  23. MrObvious's Avatar
    IF you look at the Photo's of what the device can pull out, that is what would bother me.

    I am fine with them viewing my call logs if I broke the law that is the price I pay, I am NOT fine with them knowing who is in my contact list, and what pictures I have on my device. that is digging a little too deep into my personal life for my liking.
    I agree, and here the law is you can call all you want but if you send one text it's illegal.
    05-02-11 02:01 AM
  24. stackberry369's Avatar
    Lol,if you make a call you are still DISTRACTED WHILE DRIVING.we have dumb laws in this country.what is next,we can't breath and drive?

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    05-02-11 02:57 AM
  25. _StephenBB81's Avatar
    Lol,if you make a call you are still DISTRACTED WHILE DRIVING.we have dumb laws in this country.what is next,we can't breath and drive?

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    It is a "Sexy Law" because it is seen as an issue and the law makers got excited,

    But you are right, I am less distracted answering an email with a Blackberry than I am eating behind the wheel, but legally I can eat all I want.

    The thing that bugs me the MOST are people who let their pets ride on their lap while driving, THAT should be outlawed
    05-02-11 06:38 AM
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