[eshropshire]

A lot of people forget that Sailfish OS is an independent type of working OS.

Who is forgetting that? I believe that is the whole reason for this discussion.

[Troy Tiscareno]

A lot of people forget that Sailfish OS is an independent type of working OS.

Who has forgotten? Everyone here seems to be completely aware of Sailfish's status.

[Ment]

A lot of people forget that Sailfish OS is an independent type of working OS.

That's what this thread is about. Independent OS is the easy step cause all it takes is a few 10M of VC capital in a marketplace awash in money. Building an ecosystem takes Billions, not so many options there.

[DetritalGeo]

How can these emerging OS's even dream of competing when BB10 had "everything" but the apps and is fading out. Not trying to be a Debbie Downer but how can one call BB10 users oblivious dreamers and yet be considering for something arguably half baked and on the fringe of existence.

What am I missing.

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[AllanQuatermain]

Jolla are still updating their Sailfish O.S. after three and half years, my Jolla phone just received second update this year with new camera UI and various bug fixes, and Sailfish for Sony Xperia is ongoing not available yet, not bad for a small company.

[Ment]

Jolla are still updating their Sailfish O.S. after three and half years, my Jolla phone just received second update this year with new camera UI and various bug fixes, and Sailfish for Sony Xperia is ongoing not available yet, not bad for a small company.

They are planning to offer a paid OS flash only for the Xperia X, an Android phone model which will shortly no longer be offered by Sony because it a 2016 model. Only hobbyists who want to buy from the secondary market will be using this option because for most people no phone no warranty = no buy, ie no Sailfish OS on phone you can purchase is a non-starter. Their dev group is too small, the camera on the Sailfish Xperia will only be able to shoot 8 MP due to software when the hardware supports 23MP.

They should have just put out Sailfish Xperia without Android app compatibility because thats whats bleeding resources and delaying the project. Add it later, if you're a true blue Sailfish fan it could wait.

[spantch101]

No.... just no... don't see it ever gaining ground in the grand scheme of things

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[dpgo]

What about the android apps supported through myriad alien dalvik?
Is alien dalvik supporting android v4.4 and over?



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[Elephant_Canyon]

What about the android apps supported through myriad alien dalvik?
Is alien dalvik supporting android v4.4 and over?

No.

[Troy Tiscareno]

What about the android apps supported through myriad alien dalvik?
Is alien dalvik supporting android v4.4 and over?



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Dalvik is only relevant through Android v4.3. Beyond that, Android moved to a proprietary runtime, simply called ART (for Android RunTime).

[Ment]

the plan is to target API 19 which doesn't require ART (ART was in tech preview at this point) , it seems they have run into hurdles moving it to 64bit that are delaying this and 64bit Sailfish OS.

Jolla C already targets API 19 Alien Dalvik but its 32 bit.

[johnny_bravo72]

Interesting turn of events for Sailfish OS...
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Sail...for-it_id97436

[Troy Tiscareno]

Interesting turn of events for Sailfish OS...
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Sail...for-it_id97436

Which is what we've been saying all along. Smartphone OSs are insanely complicated, and a tiny company like Jolla just doesn't have the resources to begin to compete. After 18 months of work, they're selling you an alternative OS that you can load on your 2015 Sony phone that is known to have serious bugs and missing features. In other words, it's a hobby OS for people who won't be using it as their primary device - because it isn't reliable or capable enough to be a primary device for the vast majority of people.

The idea that Sailfish is going to be the rogue smartphone savior from iOS and Android is completely laughable. The same people worried about security would be using a 3-year-old Android runtime and all apps with full permissions (because there are no granular permissions on Sailfish) - insane!

In the real world, you need to be a multi-billion dollar company who can spend a billion+ dollars per year to maintain smartphone OS that can be taken seriously and is robust enough to work reliably in the thousands of different ways we use them. You aren't going to have 10 guys in a small office hacking together a "real" smartphone OS - which is why Jolla has so many failed partnerships. It's a far, FAR bigger project than most people can appreciate, and Jolla just does not have nearly the resources they need to get the job done.

[kvndoom]

The idea that Sailfish is going to be the rogue smartphone savior from iOS and Android is completely laughable. The same people worried about security would be using a 3-year-old Android runtime and all apps with full permissions (because there are no granular permissions on Sailfish) - insane!

Insanity? Or deja vu? Sounds like just another day at the crackberry office!

[Jazuyo]

Interesting turn of events for Sailfish OS...
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Sail...for-it_id97436

Pretty interesting way to stay in the game. I'll give it a chance but I'll hold on to my blackberry for a min.

[johnny_bravo72]

More Sailfish OS updates/news... This time for Jolla devices.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Sail...ts-new_id97519

[dpgo]

Do not forget, that most user don't need latest features.
Android succeed with a lab product much worse than the competence, iOS, maemo, and maybe even the latter webOS.
And the worst is that no-one complained about an incomplete OS because the confidence is google was huge.

If google became the new microsoft, it will not be cool anymore, and people like to be cool or at least pretend to be.

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[stlabrat]

Does sailfish got its own fan club like CB?
looking for 3rd OS (even it is distant 3rd) at current environment is tough. Besides Window, others are piggy bag on to droid that was domed bb10 and sailfish and etc. At current (not going to be long) state, without app is hard.
Webapp are getting better, due to network speed much improved lately (LTE included). No need update as app does. There is overhead of download (data is cheap now), and no SAF. Therefore, majority good webapp just some business site you pay money for it... amazon, expedia, etc. Unless there is a way to subscription fee based for service, other types of webapp is not going to fly.
5G is coming, webapp possibly will take off if fee system can be standardized. Still need good easy OS system that can make sure display info correctly and proportionally. especially, resource utilization being done quickly (no bloadware... hardware software integration... ).
used some really bad webapp for shopping, the item image next to each other, not allow any finger touch scroll action (I guess it is intended for PC/Mac with pointer). Until those kind of thing got fixed, it is a major turn off. with 5G the app would be very small (memory), just a space holder, or icon as access point (user UI if you wish). Until 5G in place, app possibly still the king - droid/iOS still call the shot (most likely, iOS control better in terms of eco system).
When the sub-TeraHerz wave get into place - Game change occur...(with light license spectrum ;-).

[johnny_bravo72]

Sailfish X for Sony Xperia X is now available... for EU countries, Norway, and Switzerland.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Sail...w-live_id98839

[Dunt Dunt Dunt]

Sailfish X for Sony Xperia X is now available... for EU countries, Norway, and Switzerland.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Sail...w-live_id98839

Anyone interested needs to be aware it doesn't work on all Sony Xperia X devices.... just a particular SKU. I expect most that were interested... have been in the beta program already. As that's pretty much all this is going to be is a beta program. (there are some other devices that Sailfish has been ported to by the community)

Buying an older phone, voiding the warranty, buying an OS and then going through the 40 step process to install Sailfish.... not for the average user. There are a few forums out there on Sailfish... I don't get the feeling that it's anyone's daily driver.

[SuperDarkr]

[QUOTE=stlabrat;13005498]Does sailfish got its own fan club like CB?
looking for 3rd OS (even it is distant 3rd) at current environment is tough. Besides Window, others are piggy bag on to droid that was domed bb10 and sailfish and etc. At current (not going to be long) state, without app is hard.
Webapp are getting better, due to network speed much improved lately (LTE included). No need update as app does. There is overhead of download (data is cheap now), and no SAF. Therefore, majority good webapp just some business site you pay money for it... amazon, expedia, etc. Unless there is a way to subscription fee based for service, other types of webapp is not going to fly.
5G is coming, webapp possibly will take off if fee system can be standardized. Still need good easy OS system that can make sure display info correctly and proportionally. especially, resource utilization being done quickly (no bloadware... hardware software integration... ).
used some really bad webapp for shopping, the item image next to each other, not allow any finger touch scroll action (I guess it is intended for PC/Mac with pointer). Until those kind of thing got fixed, it is a major turn off. with 5G the app would be very small (memory), just a space holder, or icon as access point (user UI if you wish). Until 5G in place, app possibly still the king - droid/iOS still call the shot (most likely, iOS control better in terms of eco system).
When the sub-TeraHerz wave get into place - Game change occur...(with light license spectrum ;-).[/QUOTapps

You still need hardware acceleration
Html5 is nowhere close to being better then native
Webapps aren't the same as games or hardware intensive apps
You do realize that webapps are webpages right? not runtimes

There is no native apis as you are coding for.the lowest common denominator
You can dream but not many people will join you or developers
Third place does exist how productive you will be I'd another question entirely

[Invictus0]

Sailfish X seems to have done well for Jolla,

https://blog.jolla.com/slush2017_update/

They're also holding a sale,

https://blog.jolla.com/lets-celebrate-independence/

[Ment]

I don't know if you could say they are doing well. They are surviving at the moment. Some of their strategy is similar to BB, ie licensing the OS and let others worry about hardware and distribution costs. Cryptocurrency is awash with new efforts every month, Venezuela is going to launch one backed by their oil reserves.

SF needs to expand the SKU to more devices the downloadable OS will work on. Update the runtime to Android 5.0 . Step-by-step and survive til tomorrow.

[Invictus0]

I don't know if you could say they are doing well. They are surviving at the moment. Some of their strategy is similar to BB, ie licensing the OS and let others worry about hardware and distribution costs. Cryptocurrency is awash with new efforts every month, Venezuela is going to launch one backed by their oil reserves.

SF needs to expand the SKU to more devices the downloadable OS will work on. Update the runtime to Android 5.0 . Step-by-step and survive til tomorrow.

I was just referring to the Sailfish X release as they've announced plans to open it up to more devices and regions.

[Ment]

I was just referring to the Sailfish X release as they've announced plans to open it up to more devices and regions.

well that part of it is more of a failure than a win. 6 weeks out and it's still not available to the NA market. They are very Euro-centric and thus are self-limiting the possibility of success.