- Thanks. Somebody sent me that video some guy made showing his 'droid logging keystrokes and passwords and stuff like that. I guess it was logging everything he was doing, but I dunno. Pretty scary stuff. His 'droid must have been on one of the other major carriers (Sprint, T-Mobile, maybe AT&T?). So I guess if I want a 'droid without Carrier IQ spyware baked into the os, I should get a Verizon 'droid? That's pretty limiting, IMO ...12-20-11 06:59 AMLike 0
- i am not sure what the full list of phones that have or do not have it installed. There is an app you can download and run that will state the phone has this installed. You can probably download and run it on the demo phone before buying though to see12-20-11 07:08 AMLike 0
- Thanks again. Yes, I think that would be a good idea even if I went the used device route. I don't know why they had to go and do that. I haven't even bought a 'droid yet, and already I feel betrayed. It's not like I keep government secrets or anything, but I like to feel like my passwords are secure, etc. Seems like a lot of work when buying a device, having to run a virus scan and all before buying.12-20-11 07:17 AMLike 0
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Personally I switch between Android, WP7 and iOS a couple times a year. They all are good. BB to me is very dated.12-20-11 08:37 AMLike 0 - IMO, it depends on what is important to you. I don't think you can be the email and messaging capabilities of a BlackBerry. On the other hand, the web browsing on Android is light years ahead of BlackBerry.
I've had a BlackBerry for past 2 years. I picked up a Droid Eris back in January and used it for about 3 months. Ended up coming back to my BlackBerry. The main reason was my work email through BES. Android just doesn't do a good job of synchronizing with Exchange, yet.12-20-11 09:37 AMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesFor my email needs (admittedly Google-based), BB is too underpowered for my needs.12-20-11 09:48 AMLike 0
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But at least I'm actually honest about the shortcomings of Android. Honest enough to tell the OP that if they are more into pure email/messaging/social networking they'd be much better off with a BB. Android's social networking apps (especially FB) and yahoo email apps have blown huge chunks for months now too.
I agree here. If you want to surf, play games, email, keep connected socially with widgets, stream flash content from your phone to your tv, use your phone as a laptop as well, voice to text, remote access PC's, video chat with friends or relatives at long distance, or other related type activities, then go android or iPhail (minus the "flash" part).12-20-11 09:51 AMLike 0 - this was the 2nd post in this thread and was the best answer. For pure "fun/play" android is better. But I will say Marine One's advice looks way off the mark. The Android OS is most definitely not 'cutting edge'. It's quite glitchy, and has to be spread out among a **** load of differing device makers, many of whom like to frig it up on a routine basis. Oh and Marine? I've had two android phones so far: Atrix 4G and Sammy SG2. But like the above quote said, my data use is 95% browser type activities, not email and messaging. But at least I'm actually honest about the shortcomings of Android. Honest enough to tell the OP that if they are more into pure email/messaging/social networking they'd be much better off with a BB. Android's social networking apps (especially FB) and yahoo email apps have blown huge chunks for months now too. If you want more to surf the web, play games, and related type activities, than go either android or iPhail (sorry. I hate Apple )
The Blackberry OS is very unstable, slow and freezes a lot meaning frequent battery pulls at inopportune times.
Just when you need your Blackberry to make an important call, answer and important email or look up something on the web, it freezes. You have to pull the battery and it takes 10 minutes to reboot like some Windows 3.1 computer.
My Android OS on a Nexus is way more stable. On the odd occasion that I have had to reboot, the phone is up and running in a minute or less.
I have spend hundreds of hours over the years rebuilding the OS on my Blackberries.
Typically, I would install an app from an approved vendor on App World and their app would corrupt my OS on my Blackberry making it freeze every hour. I would then have to wipe my Blackberry, install a new OS (sometimes I had to use JVM when the phone was bricked) and then install my apps one at a time over a week, to find the app that wrecked my OS. Before each app was installed, you would have to back up and then, install the app and then wait a few days to see if the phone was stable before installing the next app. I know way too much about Blackberries because of this.
Before I learned how to reinstall the OS on a Blackberry, I would just send them back on warranty claims. To RIM's credit, they exchanged by 9800 7 times. The phone was never defective. The OS was just corrupted from one of their approved apps.
In the 2 years that I have owned Androids, guess how many OS reinstalls I have done? ZERO!! This OS is rock solid compared to a Blackberry.
If you don't use apps ad run your Berry bone stock, you probably won't have any OS issues. But if you do use apps, the Berry OS is fragile and easily corrupted.
Android Ice Cream Sandwich is awesome!!!Last edited by E92Vancouver; 12-20-11 at 09:56 AM.
12-20-11 09:53 AMLike 0 - In terms of email, BB offers one thing that I find very, very useful:
Delete Message?
On Mailbox & Handheld
Oh Handheld
If you use this feature much, you'll find that you really have to change your email behaviors when you don't have it.
I think the app issue is worth thinking about carefully. The sheer number of apps on Android vs BB isn't all that relevant, but there may be certain specific ones that you really want. One of the things that made me try Android was the fact that it has a full-featured Kindle app, with support for highlighting and annotation. The BB Kindle app doesn't have those features. Since I use Kindle a lot, that's important to me. Android and iOS win on that score; BB and WP7 lose.
I suggest that you think about which verbs best describe what you do with your phone, other than talking. For me, they are reading, writing, and listening. Watching and playing are not even close to those first three. I'm not implying that Android devices are no good for reading, writing, and listening; far from it. But BBs are good for these things too. For watching and playing, Android has the advantage. It's just a question of whether it's an advantage that matters to you.12-20-11 09:54 AMLike 0 - avt123O.G.Thanks again. Yes, I think that would be a good idea even if I went the used device route. I don't know why they had to go and do that. I haven't even bought a 'droid yet, and already I feel betrayed. It's not like I keep government secrets or anything, but I like to feel like my passwords are secure, etc. Seems like a lot of work when buying a device, having to run a virus scan and all before buying.
Sprint has 'disabled use' of Carrier IQ software | The Verge12-20-11 09:59 AMLike 0 - • I don't like multimedia (not on a phone anyway).
• Skype is okay on my laptop, but I don't need it on handheld device.
• Gmail is just one of my email accounts and works fine on my Bold 9650 non-camera.
• I don't need a wifi hotspot because I have a USB modem from my wireless carrier.
• I don't need Netflix on a handheld device. In fact I don't know why anyone would want to watch a movie on a handheld device.
• Yes, voice capability on my handheld is important. I just can't deal with the bs of poor call quality, dropped calls, and reboots/freezes during calls. How are 'droids in that department?
I guess at this point I'm still not sure what to do. The market share thingy could still sway me one way or the other. I just don't know which way yet. I do need something that doesn't have spyware baked into the os. Do 'droids come with that spyware I keep seeing mentioned in news reports called Carrier IQ? (I heard the htc ones do.)
Gmail on a blackberry is crippled. It does not have 2 way sync like on an android. Mark a message read on your android and it is marked read, instantly on your PC. Archive or delete it on your android and the same happens instantly on your PC. Do these tasks on your PC and it happens instantly on your android. Saves a lot of time.
Voice capability on the android is second to none. On par with a blackberry and far superior to an iphone.
Carrier IQ is even on blackberries. Here RIM talks about carrier IQ on blackberries:
http://j.mp/rRUQWL12-20-11 10:02 AMLike 0 - It depends on the manufacturer regarding the glitchiness I guess. I have always had the Nexus phones (Google Nexus 1, Google Nexus S and now the Samsung Galaxy Nexus) and the OS has been way better than any Blackberry I have owned.
The Blackberry OS is very unstable, slow and freezes a lot meaning frequent battery pulls at inopportune times.
Just when you need your Blackberry to make an important call, answer and important email or look up something on the web, it freezes. You have to pull the battery and it takes 10 minutes to reboot like some Windows 3.1 computer.
My Android OS on a Nexus is way more stable. On the odd occasion that I have had to reboot, the phone is up and running in a minute or less.
I have spend hundreds of hours over the years rebuilding the OS on my Blackberries.
Typically, I would install an app from an approved vendor on App World and their app would corrupt my OS on my Blackberry making it freeze every hour. I would then have to wipe my Blackberry, install a new OS (sometimes I had to use JVM when the phone was bricked) and then install my apps one at a time over a week, to find the app that wrecked my OS. Before each app was installed, you would have to back up and then, install the app and then wait a few days to see if the phone was stable before installing the next app. I know way too much about Blackberries because of this.
Before I learned how to reinstall the OS on a Blackberry, I would just send them back on warranty claims. To RIM's credit, they exchanged by 9800 7 times. The phone was never defective. The OS was just corrupted from one of their approved apps.
In the 2 years that I have owned Androids, guess how many OS reinstalls I have done? ZERO!! This OS is rock solid compared to a Blackberry.
If you don't use apps ad run your Berry bone stock, you probably won't have any OS issues. But if you do use apps, the Berry OS is fragile and easily corrupted.
Android Ice Cream Sandwich is awesome!!!12-20-11 10:05 AMLike 0 - What does multiple makers of Android have anything to do with the OS and whether it's "cutting edge" or not? If facial recognition, automated "camera-man" videos, lapdock capabilities, Beam, Live widgets, etc aren't what you call "cutting edge"..then I'd be curious to know what is.
How is Android not great for social networking? Because they are touch screen? Have you ever even used the Friends widgets available from HTC or Go Launcher or Launcher Pro? They are a full screen of dedicated feeds from Twitter and/or Facebook. No need to even go thru an app. If that's not being connected, i'm again curious as to what is.
I think your expectations of quality communication software differs from mine. I don't use nor do I care about social networking or BBM so I use an android. But I don't kid myself about android's weaknesses.12-20-11 10:05 AMLike 0 - Skype is awesome when travelling. I buy a local prepaid SIM card in the host country and I can dial any number back home. I use Skype to call friends over seas. It is like VOIP. Free and works well.
Gmail on a blackberry is crippled. It does not have 2 way sync like on an android. Mark a message read on your android and it is marked read, instantly on your PC. Archive or delete it on your android and the same happens instantly on your PC. Do these tasks on your PC and it happens instantly on your android. Saves a lot of time.
Voice capability on the android is second to none. On par with a blackberry and far superior to an iphone.
Carrier IQ is even on blackberries. Here RIM talks about carrier IQ on blackberries:
RIM Explains How to Remove Carrier IQ From BlackBerry Devices - Mobile and Wireless - News & Reviews - eWeek.com12-20-11 10:07 AMLike 0 - My 9900 and 9700 both boot within 2 minutes, I haven't had to do very many battery pulls. I haven't ever had a corrupt OS issue at all, I wouldn't say the OS for blackberries are very fragile at all. Mine has never frozen once when I needed to make a phone call, send an SMS message or compose/read/reply to e-mail. Maybe you just never had a great experience or didn't bother to update the OS when updates were already available on other carriers. Boot time, 10 minutes like a windows 3.1 computer? No way.
Like I said, if you don't like apps, the BB is wonderful. The more apps you have, the longer the boot up time.12-20-11 10:07 AMLike 0 - Nine apps installed and boot time is the same. I once had 20 installed last week before updating to another OS due to the SIM toolkit ghosting on me, not an issue, but I do use that to examine my usage from WIND without having to use a computer. The boot time was the same 2 minutes with those 20 apps loaded.12-20-11 10:10 AMLike 0
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12-20-11 10:14 AMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesIn terms of email, BB offers one thing that I find very, very useful:
Delete Message?
On Mailbox & Handheld
Oh Handheld
If you use this feature much, you'll find that you really have to change your email behaviors when you don't have it.
I think the app issue is worth thinking about carefully. The sheer number of apps on Android vs BB isn't all that relevant, but there may be certain specific ones that you really want. One of the things that made me try Android was the fact that it has a full-featured Kindle app, with support for highlighting and annotation. The BB Kindle app doesn't have those features. Since I use Kindle a lot, that's important to me. Android and iOS win on that score; BB and WP7 lose.
I suggest that you think about which verbs best describe what you do with your phone, other than talking. For me, they are reading, writing, and listening. Watching and playing are not even close to those first three. I'm not implying that Android devices are no good for reading, writing, and listening; far from it. But BBs are good for these things too. For watching and playing, Android has the advantage. It's just a question of whether it's an advantage that matters to you.
I had to rethink it, because I burned a LOT of time trying to mimic the BB way, which is what I was used to... but I understand someone wanting to keep it the way they like.12-20-11 10:56 AMLike 0 -
I don't know about skype. I use Tango and it works beautifully.12-20-11 11:45 AMLike 0 - 12-20-11 11:54 AMLike 0
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- That's not true at all. If you install Go, ADW, Regina, or any other countless launchers, they replace your phone using the stock launcher. You don't have to root the phone at all. What you have to do is change defaults in the system and then you can choose which launcher you want your phone to use.
I don't know about skype. I use Tango and it works beautifully.12-20-11 09:10 PMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween Realities^^^^ Not sure about the scourge known as Motoblur, but I believe you can kill Sense and use, say, LauncherPro unrooted.
I do use a Sense-based custom ROM, so I am used to seeing HTC stuff running.12-20-11 09:36 PMLike 0
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