- 01-04-14 02:46 PMLike 0
- Yeah I tested it every which way I know how between my BlackBerry and mom's iPhone. I can't get it to NOT work instantly.
I know others seem to be having issues though. Hopefully it'll get smoothed out.
Z10STL100-4/10.2.1.192501-05-14 12:25 AMLike 0 -
And I wish we could all say something and be right.....would save a lot of headaches lol. have a good day.
BlackBerry forever, haters never!01-05-14 06:39 PMLike 0 - I believe it does advise upon downloading. I know the one person who I chat with who had the notification issue just didn't pay attention to it. I then got a message saying, "how come I don't get notified when you message me." At this point is when we figured out that it was not enabled in her phone settings. Once changed, everything was smooth after that.01-05-14 08:23 PMLike 0
- OmnitechDragon SlayerI believe it does advise upon downloading. I know the one person who I chat with who had the notification issue just didn't pay attention to it. I then got a message saying, "how come I don't get notified when you message me." At this point is when we figured out that it was not enabled in her phone settings. Once changed, everything was smooth after that.
Very interesting. I'm trying to remember if I did that with the one person I setup BBM on their iPhone. I don't recall doing that.01-05-14 09:24 PMLike 0 - I've enabled the notifications for BBM in two of the IPhones that I have BBMED with. And both of those people still do not receive the notifications if the app has not been active recently.
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Posted via CB1001-05-14 09:26 PMLike 0 -
The problem I have is that sometimes I will get the notification but then BBM won't actually retrieve the message for a few minutes, even with the app open and this on iOS 7.01-05-14 09:31 PMLike 0 - the notifications are pushed by the server to the iPhone, they're not local notifications - the app doesn't do the notification.
The problem I have is that sometimes I will get the notification but then BBM won't actually retrieve the message for a few minutes, even with the app open and this on iOS 7.
Posted via CB1001-05-14 09:36 PMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon Slayerthe notifications are pushed by the server to the iPhone, they're not local notifications - the app doesn't do the notification.
The problem I have is that sometimes I will get the notification but then BBM won't actually retrieve the message for a few minutes, even with the app open and this on iOS 7.
I have seen instances of people claiming other IM apps have similiar issues on iOS, though there's at least one person in this thread claiming WhatsApp delivers more reliably.
Hard to get a straight story when it's all 3rd-hand reports...
Software flaw? Perish the thought..01-05-14 09:44 PMLike 0 -
Threema
iMessage
Wickr
SafeSlinger
WhatsApp
Hangouts
Viber
Kik
Stream (for the messenger)
Facebook Messenger
and BBM
The only one that seems to exhibit delivery reliability problems is BBM. Several of those messengers I have used since iOS 6 and haven't seen the BBM style wonkiness.
That said, BBM is usually pretty reliable for me, but it does seem to hitch and stall just when I really need it.01-05-14 09:49 PMLike 0 - I use the following messengers:
Threema
iMessage
Wickr
SafeSlinger
WhatsApp
Hangouts
Viber
Kik
Stream (for the messenger)
Facebook Messenger
and BBM
The only one that seems to exhibit delivery reliability problems is BBM. Several of those messengers I have used since iOS 6 and haven't seen the BBM style wonkiness.
That said, BBM is usually pretty reliable for me, but it does seem to hitch and stall just when I really need it.
All this on IOS 7.
Posted via CB1001-05-14 10:35 PMLike 0 -
- I'm sorry? If you have used whatsapp like you say you will find that it does the same thing like BBM does, whatsapp doesn't show two ticks if the IOS friend has his whatsapp closed on the iPhone, I only get a second tick when they open the app and same goes for sound notification.
All this on IOS 7.
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Also, for the record (and I'm not sure if the "like you say you do" was intended to imply that I don't use whatsapp):
01-05-14 10:55 PMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon SlayerI use the following messengers:
Threema
iMessage
Wickr
SafeSlinger
WhatsApp
Hangouts
Viber
Kik
Stream (for the messenger)
Facebook Messenger
and BBM
The only one that seems to exhibit delivery reliability problems is BBM. Several of those messengers I have used since iOS 6 and haven't seen the BBM style wonkiness.
Now this is the kind of data that we rarely get here when arguing about performance comparisons. Thanks for that.
Since you have used all those other products, I'm curious how they behave, especially under iOS6, because a lot of people are still running iOS6.
In particular, my understanding is that iOS6 and previous will not assign CPU resources to ANY app after 15 minutes of being IDLE, and even at that, an app has to request specific, special status to get even that.
So I'm curious what happens when sending to such a device, ie after it has gone into sleep mode for an hour - does it notify of a new message in every case, with all those other messaging apps? Among other things, people have said that with BBMX, if the iDevice goes into sleep mode, deliveries (or at least delivery confirmations) stop. And people have posted that they need to make a specific change to support background notifications in iOS.
Perhaps that's a separate matter from recipient message notifications. Especially since it is my understanding that most of the competition has no direct equivalent to the "D" and "R" of BBM.
In regards to iOS7, I just ran across the following setting and I wonder how many people have this disabled - "background refresh":
How To Keep iOS 7 From Sucking Your iPhone�s Battery Dry – Consumerist01-06-14 12:52 AMLike 0 -
The "kill the background app" that iOS 6 has was really more for killing misbehaving apps and that was after 10 minutes, not after 15. I believe it was possible to keep worker threads running much longer than 10 minutes but care must be taken when writing them to notify the operating system that they are not deadlocked and are still producing useful work. I looked through the API once before but don't remember the details.
The important thing to note is that the notification system in iOS is NOT a function of the app, it's a function of the operating system. The server pushes a notification down to the phone which can then display it, so all of those apps (really, iOS rather than the apps) will display some kind of "message received" notification no matter how long the phone has been asleep.
So from the user point of view, those messengers all act about the same. Threema won't display a preview of incoming messages because the app itself is not running and thus the cryptographic engine is not available to decrypt the incoming push message - the server only pushes "you have a new message" because of that. Messengers on iOS that can display a preview of the message must have had the messages decrypted by the server before they were even transmitted.
I'll have to take the time to walk through and demonstrate the various messenger apps on video sometime - but really they all act about the same. Yes, on whatsapp the second checkmark simply means that the message was delivered to the target device, not actually viewed, but Kik acts exactly like BBM, even on iOS, in that I get S, D and R icons for sent, delivered and read.
Functionally it's approximately an even playing field. The problem is in the sporadic performance of BBM on iOS. None of the other messengers seem to have the random delays in actually retrieving an incoming message that BBM has and it is so infrequent for me that I've not been able to catch it on video. It will go weeks without happening and then happen a couple times in a day.gnirkatto likes this.01-06-14 01:26 AMLike 1 -
- That's not what I am saying BBM does. I am saying that BBM will give me a notification that I have a new message, including the preview of the message, but then when I open BBM itself to view the message that message will not appear for several minutes (sometimes - usually it's fine).
Also, for the record (and I'm not sure if the "like you say you do" was intended to imply that I don't use whatsapp):
No, I wasn't trying to imply that you don't use whatsapp.
Posted via CB1001-06-14 06:13 AMLike 0
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