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- http://kik.com/tip-tuesday-message-status/
Same issue on Kik messenger as BBM and WhatsApp. IPhone won't answer back when the app is suspended or not running. No one, except iMessage is able to have consistent delivery confirmation on iOS.
Here is an extract from the link above:
[...] A faded D appears next to messages sent to iPhones and Windows Phones. It means that we have sent the push notification of your message to the recipient but they haven't opened the app to receive the message on their phone. Once they open the app, you will see a solid D. [...]
Posted via CB1002-17-14 07:53 PMLike 0 -
Posted via CB1002-17-14 07:56 PMLike 0 -
Incidentally my other boy has bbm on his iPhone5 - he can bbm chat/call me but he is unavailable when I go to his contact and attempt to voip him ( via bbm). Not sure what gives.
Posted via CBten with the Zthirty.02-17-14 09:57 PMLike 0 - http://kik.com/tip-tuesday-message-status/
Same issue on Kik messenger as BBM and WhatsApp. IPhone won't answer back when the app is suspended or not running. No one, except iMessage is able to have consistent delivery confirmation on iOS.
Here is an extract from the link above:
[...] A faded D appears next to messages sent to iPhones and Windows Phones. It means that we have sent the push notification of your message to the recipient but they haven't opened the app to receive the message on their phone. Once they open the app, you will see a solid D. [...]
Posted via CB10
The new background app refresh api's in ios 7 should allow for the app to respond/update even if it's not running. So this shouldn't be a problem/limitation anymore with ios.
**Edit.
I have just noticed this on the apple website.
If you force an app to quit by dragging it up from the multitasking display, it won't be able to do its background activities, such as tracking location or responding to VoIP calls, until you relaunch the app.Additional Information
If you close an app that has been configured to receive background notifications, it won't receive them until it has been reopened.
I'm still not sure how google hangouts can notify of an incoming call even if the app isn't in the multitasking page though.Last edited by NathDogg; 02-18-14 at 05:18 AM.
02-17-14 11:03 PMLike 0 -
Stupid Apple, instead of putting a big battery in there, they decided to limit background processes.
Posted via CB1002-18-14 05:19 AMLike 0 - The new background app refresh api's in ios 7 should allow for the app to respond/update even if it's not running. So this shouldn't be a problem/limitation anymore with ios.
**Edit.
I have just noticed this on the apple website.
So it seems for the background app refresh to work correctly, the app has to be open in the multitasking/recent app page. It shouldn't matter if an app is in suspend state as it will wake up when it receives it's push notification.
I'm still not sure how google hangouts can notify of an incoming call even if the app isn't in the multitasking page though.
Posted via CB1002-18-14 05:20 AMLike 0 - I find it very unlikely that Apple would make a deal with or treat Google any differently to any other app developer.
Especially considering Apple has been trying to remove Google's native presence within IOS. Eg. Google maps replaced by the inferior (at the time) Apple maps. And the removal of the native youtube app.
I'm hopeful when the bb team gain a better understanding of how IOS works they will be able to match Google's efforts.
I guess for now I need to get into the habit of leaving the app in the multitasking page and trusting IOS to suspend the app.Last edited by NathDogg; 02-18-14 at 05:54 AM.
02-18-14 05:33 AMLike 0 - I find it very unlikely that Apple would make a deal with or treat Google any differently to any other app developer.
Especially considering Apple has been trying to remove Google's native presence within IOS. Eg. Google maps replaced by the inferior (at the time) Apple maps. And the removal of the native youtube app.
I read somewhere on the iOS developers website that you need apples permission for long running background apps. Anything without authorisation will be suspended.
Now the new iOS does allow some multitasking but it will only allow the most used apps to remain active in the background.
Also they do have some API that allows to wake an app up. But if so many developers haven't been able to figure it out... something is wrong.
Posted via CB1002-18-14 05:43 AMLike 0 - Yeah... but they still have a long history of collaborating.
I read somewhere on the iOS developers website that you need apples permission for long running background apps. Anything without authorisation will be suspended.
Now the new iOS does allow some multitasking but it will only allow the most used apps to remain active in the background.
Also they do have some API that allows to wake an app up. But if so many developers haven't been able to figure it out... something is wrong.
Posted via CB10
I mean could it be as simple as google using a normal push notification for the call (same as message notification), but replacing the short beep sound with a longer ringing tone sound file? Say 20 seconds or so. Is this even possible?Last edited by NathDogg; 02-18-14 at 06:12 AM.
02-18-14 06:00 AMLike 0 - I personally think that Google's greater experience of how IOS works has allowed them to find tricks and quirks on how to get the most out of IOS with its limitations. I don't think this has anything to do with favouritism here.
I mean could it be as simple as google using a normal push notification for the call (same as message notification), but replacing the short beep sound with a longer ringing tone sound file? Say 20 seconds or so. Is this even possible?
By "answering"the push, it starts the app.
Does Google Hangout shows availability status? Or does it try to call someone no matter if that person is available or not?
Posted via CB1002-18-14 06:40 AMLike 0 - It's possible that they just tweaked with the push and make us believe the app is running... but it is in fact suspended.
By "answering"the push, it starts the app.
Does Google Hangout shows availability status? Or does it try to call someone no matter if that person is available or not?
Posted via CB10
This is a test call I set up the other day. I don't personally use google hangouts so the app was forced closed and hadn't been open for months. The first time the app was opened was to answer the call. Note that if the mute switch is on. The phone will only vibrate once the same as any normal notification, so is easily missed if the phone is just on vibrate.
02-18-14 06:46 AMLike 0 - 02-19-14 01:32 PMLike 0
- Question: some of my friends are saying that they get notifications from messages that are a day old, or they wont get a notification at all. I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say this has already been addressed, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Anyone know what the dealio is?02-19-14 08:12 PMLike 0
- I personally think that Google's greater experience of how IOS works has allowed them to find tricks and quirks on how to get the most out of IOS with its limitations. I don't think this has anything to do with favouritism here.
I mean could it be as simple as google using a normal push notification for the call (same as message notification), but replacing the short beep sound with a longer ringing tone sound file? Say 20 seconds or so. Is this even possible?
This is all very clearly documented in Apple's docs and several WWDC videos, including the new options available on iOS7.
I think BBM may be different because they are trying to avoid sending content over APNS. So maybe they send a silent push, let the app wake up and retrieve the new messages directly and then schedule a second local push? (Totally speculating here, only BB knows what their plan was).
Apple's rules are that if a user explicitly kills your app, they will treat that app differently until relaunch which is totally fair considering the user made her intention quite clear by killing your app.
Regardless, the BBM app for iOS still feels like an app written by developers who don't quite know what they're doing on the platform yet. I don't understand why BB doesn't hire a top iOS dev firm to do this for them. Given the $19B purchase of WhatsApp, doesn't BB understand the value of this investment? Why are they doing this with mediocre developers again?
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Posted via CB1002-20-14 05:05 AMLike 0 -
I'm sure it won't be long until Whatsapp decide to add voice/video calling. I'm not sure if there will be any way of bbm catching up then.
This is why blackberry need to add these things quickly and correctly. First impressions certainly count when there are many alternatives.02-20-14 05:05 AMLike 0 -
I myself am guilty of closing apps in the multitasking page, but have been trying my best to get into the habit of leaving bbm open. So far it seems to be working great.
Changing how the D's and R's work on IOS is not a good solution in my opinion. If that is the case then they might as well just take them away completely instead of tricking people.02-20-14 06:08 AMLike 0
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