- "Firebase Cloud Messaging. Formerly known as Google Cloud Messaging (GCM), Firebase Cloud Messaging (FCM) is a cross-platform solution for messages and notifications for Android, iOS, and web applications, which as of 2016 can be used at no cost."
While BBMe used to contact google last year after an update which included firebase, I have not seen a Google connection attempt in a while.
Mixpanel is used to track user interactions in the application. It has been a part of BBM since BB10.
Mix panel was used on BB10 to collect data on when users were accessing the sticker shop, apparently tracking their screen taps. This was discussed in a thread on this forum a few years ago when it was discovered.
These are the two sour spots of BBMe IMO. Both can be blocked with a firewall, but its a shame they are in there at all, especially since it's a paid service.
Threema has no trackers at all, does not require any personal information to use (no numbers, no emails, no names). You pay a one time fee which can be sent on their website using crypto currency if you choose, or via google play.
It just recently had another security audit also.elfabio80 likes this.04-18-19 11:43 PMLike 1 - Our BBM groups have decided to migrate to WhatsApp, it’s a popular message app and a lot of folks are using it including a lot of my business clients.
I know about it being owned by Facebook and the security issues everyone is concerned about. But, I have been on Facebook since the beginning and haven’t had any issues and my phone number is listed in my profile.
If it means my phone number is displayed, so be it. As long as I can still communicate with my BBM friends whom I have known for many years, so be it.
I like the interface, you can create groups and the functionality is very close to BBMc and most all the folks who have migrated from my BBM groups are liking it and in the end, that’s all the counts.
I have also used discord and slack message apps for my iMore Ambassador chats and they are not bad, but I like the visual interface in WhatsApp more, just my two cents.
PS:
Don’t blame Blackberry for the end of BBM, it’s emtek and it was a business decision based on the current consumer climate, being a business person myself, sometimes you make decisions you don’t want to, but have to in order to stay solvent, that’s reality in 2019.elfabio80 likes this.04-19-19 05:27 AMLike 1 - I haven't used Telegram before, so I'll take a look.
But from what I understand, a user still needs to signup using a phone number, and chats are only E2E encrypted if a "secret" chat is used. Otherwise chats are uploaded and saved on their cloud so users can access the chats between devices? According to their website, Telegram says these normal chats are encrypted to/from the server using standard TLS (so think BBM consumer), and are encrypted while stored on the server - but in my mind that still means they can access the messages because they hold the server encryption key.
One of the features I hope Threema implements eventually is disappearing messages and message retraction.
Of all the Chat apps I've looked into, Threema is the most anonymous. Everything is done via a randomly generated Pin (like a BB pin) which is created when you start the app for the first time. No logins are req'd, no signup, no phone numbers or email addresses.
The app itself can be encrypted with a separate password to protect messages stored on the device. After booting the phone, this password is required to access the app. Plus the standard password/fingerprint access after that.04-19-19 07:53 AMLike 0 - I haven't used Telegram before, so I'll take a look.
But from what I understand, a user still needs to signup using a phone number, and chats are only E2E encrypted if a "secret" chat is used. Otherwise chats are uploaded and saved on their cloud so users can access the chats between devices? According to their website, Telegram says these normal chats are encrypted to/from the server using standard TLS (so think BBM consumer), and are encrypted while stored on the server - but in my mind that still means they can access the messages because they hold the server encryption key.
One of the features I hope Threema implements eventually is disappearing messages and message retraction.
Of all the Chat apps I've looked into, Threema is the most anonymous. Everything is done via a randomly generated Pin (like a BB pin) which is created when you start the app for the first time. No logins are req'd, no signup, no phone numbers or email addresses.
The app itself can be encrypted with a separate password to protect messages stored on the device. After booting the phone, this password is required to access the app. Plus the standard password/fingerprint access after that.
I am willing to use lesser encryption on group chats for the extensive feature-set that you get in return. You can't have both unfortunately.
And yes, you sign up with a phone number, but privacy settings can be adjusted to hide it from others.04-19-19 08:08 AMLike 0 -
- 04-19-19 08:38 AMLike 1
- Individual secret chats on Telegram can be password protected, and have customizable self-destruct timers. They are not available across devices either - only on the devices they were initiated from.
I am willing to use lesser encryption on group chats for the extensive feature-set that you get in return. You can't have both unfortunately.
And yes, you sign up with a phone number, but privacy settings can be adjusted to hide it from others.
I set it up based on your trusted recommendation but am not finding how to ensure that my phone number will not be visible to any contacts. I made a global user name for the account but from what I've read in the app's information that does not ensure that contacts can't see my phone number. The user name only helps people who don't already have my phone number find me in the app's global search through the user data base.04-19-19 08:39 AMLike 0 -
- Individual secret chats on Telegram can be password protected, and have customizable self-destruct timers. They are not available across devices either - only on the devices they were initiated from.
I am willing to use lesser encryption on group chats for the extensive feature-set that you get in return. You can't have both unfortunately.
And yes, you sign up with a phone number, but privacy settings can be adjusted to hide it from others.Hazo likes this.04-19-19 08:42 AMLike 1 - Could you please explain or show a path regarding how to hide my phone number from contacts in Telegram?
I set it up based on your trusted recommendation but am not finding how to ensure that my phone number will not be visible to any contacts. I made a global user name for the account but from what I've read in the app's information that does not ensure that contacts can't see my phone number. The user name only helps people who don't already have my phone number find me in the app's global search through the user data base.The_Dark_Knight_Forever likes this.04-19-19 08:45 AMLike 1 -
But they would probably just prefer people to move on to other solutions. This BBMe thing is just going to end up costing them money, and it's just an olive branch to deal with this sudden announcement.04-19-19 09:48 AMLike 0 -
This is just a gesture of goodwill aimed at their non-BES corporate users, that they hope will "resolve" itself over time when those users eventually switch over to other IM apps.app_Developer likes this.04-19-19 09:54 AMLike 1 -
Unless I've missed a setting of some kind. Anyway I'll use it until it's available.Rico4you likes this.04-19-19 10:00 AMLike 1 -
I expect the only reason they are offering BBMe, is they doubt many at this point will bother, and even if they do.... next year it would generate revenue. So BlackBerry will have transition to a paid BBM, without the negative backlash that would have happened had they simply done this three years ago.cyberdoggie likes this.04-19-19 10:04 AMLike 1 - Could you please explain or show a path regarding how to hide my phone number from contacts in Telegram?
I set it up based on your trusted recommendation but am not finding how to ensure that my phone number will not be visible to any contacts. I made a global user name for the account but from what I've read in the app's information that does not ensure that contacts can't see my phone number. The user name only helps people who don't already have my phone number find me in the app's global search through the user data base.
Telegram is awesome. I and my clan switched from whatsapp, and it is worlds better.04-19-19 10:36 AMLike 0 - Telegram will only display your number for another person if you have them in contacts - if you've shared numbers already. Although if you untick "sync contacts" in your privacy settings you can prevent contacts from seeing it as well.
Telegram is awesome. I and my clan switched from whatsapp, and it is worlds better.
So are you saying that if I do not sync my contacts my phone number will not be shown to contacts I'm communicating with on Telegram?
How would a save a contact to my Telegram contact list without syncing contacts & without revealing my phone number?04-19-19 10:48 AMLike 0 - I don't know if you really can blame Emtek either... BlackBerry sold off the rights, because BBM was already failing globally, and they couldn't afford it. Emtek's grand plans for BBM sounded great, but how many really expected them to succeed with their focus really just on Indonesian market?
I expect the only reason they are offering BBMe, is they doubt many at this point will bother, and even if they do.... next year it would generate revenue. So BlackBerry will have transition to a paid BBM, without the negative backlash that would have happened had they simply done this three years ago.Dunt Dunt Dunt and The_Dark_Knight_Forever like this.04-19-19 10:49 AMLike 2 - Thanks for the info.
So are you saying that if I do not sync my contacts my phone number will not be shown to contacts I'm communicating with on Telegram?
How would a save a contact to my Telegram contact list without syncing contacts & without revealing my phone number?04-19-19 10:51 AMLike 0 - Thanks for the info.
So are you saying that if I do not sync my contacts my phone number will not be shown to contacts I'm communicating with on Telegram?
How would a save a contact to my Telegram contact list without syncing contacts & without revealing my phone number?
Other options are creating an account from your desktop, which doesn't require a phone number verification, or using a Google voice number.04-19-19 10:56 AMLike 0 -
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