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  1. kg4icg's Avatar
    Couldn't agree more. Especially on a 5in screen.

    If my 55" LED TV had less than 1080P, then I'd notice... but on a 5in screen? No.

    I also heard that Ford is putting a 1000hp engine into their new Fusion, and it can go 450mph....So which road in North America can be driven on that fast (legally)?
    Bonneville salt flats and Rogers dry Lake.
    09-18-13 09:58 AM
  2. Highcroft's Avatar
    You can definitely tell the difference. All of the people say that you can't are wrong. An 8K tv should look no different than a 1080P tv at certain distances, yeah right. I've seen 8K, it's like looking through a window.
    If it's a full RGB display like the Moto X as opposed to Pentile, 720p on a 5" display is good enough for me. But I don't understand why people say that the human eye won't be able to distinguish the difference. When Apple made they're "retina" claim, all they said is that you won't be able to see individual pixels. You can still see increases in sharpness regardless of whether you can't see pixels on both displays. When viewing 1080p content, the 1080p 32" TV in my living room is clearly sharper than my 720p 32" TV in my room and having tested the HTC One (which I think has the best display on the market currently), it was noticeably sharper than my older HTC One X.
    09-18-13 10:04 AM
  3. Warcony's Avatar
    The extreme high resolution screens in mobile devices these days is just stupid, stupid, stupid. Its basically **** measuring at this point. On a 5" inch screen I can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. There's a lot more to screens than ppi such as colour reproduction, clarity, white balance etc. etc. What I love about the screens on the BB10 devices is that I can actually see them clearly in daylight with my sunglasses on, unlike all the super high resolution Android devices.
    09-18-13 10:08 AM
  4. hendiagoEdwin's Avatar
    Some people can really notice the difference between 720 and 1080 on a 5" device, at least if they try to squint their eyes and look closely.

    I myself can see the difference, but I think sub 300 dpi isn't that bad at all.
    I recall the day using my Note 2 which is 720 on 5.5" screen.

    Honestly, when the specs were leaked, 720 on 5" OLED screen, 2800ish mah battery, I'm sold.

    For me, battery life has got me sold for Z30.
    I had enough of my gs4 battery life.
    That octa core and 1080 didn't help at all if it dies in the middle of my day *shrug*

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    09-18-13 10:10 AM
  5. jstirtzinger's Avatar
    It's the old "just because you can doesn't mean you should" perspective. What is more important...extreme resolutions on small devices with limited discernable difference and sacrifice battery life and power consumption OR really good resolution that in reality is absolutely acceptable and get great battery life and power consumption.

    Remember this is not the OUTPUT resolution which is still 1080 as is the recording resolution.

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    09-18-13 10:10 AM
  6. playbookster's Avatar
    Lol I thought the PlayBook screen looked good and that was only 160ppi

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    09-18-13 10:12 AM
  7. fragment137's Avatar
    Bonneville salt flats and Rogers dry Lake.
    Sorry... those are roads?
    09-18-13 10:16 AM
  8. sergey_IL's Avatar
    Quality of the screen and also quality of the camera are not defined by pixel density only.
    I think that is the reason why Apple kept 8MP camera in iPhone 5s.
    09-18-13 10:17 AM
  9. Hallandale's Avatar
    Um, galaxy note 2 had 720p on a 5.5 inch screen, 267ppi. That phone was arguably designed to be able to make art on.

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    09-18-13 10:17 AM
  10. Hilman76's Avatar
    Funny BB is touting the Z30 to have a "stunning" display. That isn't the word I think of when I hear a screen has pixel density of 295 ppi and a resolution of 720p, I think of sub-par, mediocre, antiquated, obsolete......
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    09-18-13 10:25 AM
  11. Taigatrommel's Avatar
    Funny BB is touting the Z30 to have a "stunning" display. That isn't the word I think of when I hear a screen has pixel density of 295 ppi and a resolution of 720p, I think of sub-par, mediocre, antiquated, obsolete......
    "Antiquated" is quite harsh. However since there is always a spec-war going on, ppi is just another number that simply matters. After all it depends how BBRY is going to price the Z30. If they're going for a rather medium price (which I doubt!), the specs should be pretty good. However, if they'll place it again with well over 600 bucks like the previous models, it has to compete with stuff like Galaxy S4, Note 3, HTC One or Sony Xperia Z. All of them simply outperform the Z30 in all aspects. Nokia also can't compete in terms of specs with their latest 925 and 1020 devices, yet they're going the OS and camera route to make up for the lacking hardware specs.
    The question is: What can BlackBerry do to compensate their lacking hardware? Lowering the pricetag would be the most obvious option, yet I seriously doubt that'll happen. They can't go the camera route, since this camera isn't able to cut it compared to the high-end competition.

    295ppi ain't bad, considering things still look pretty sharp (remember, not even two years ago 250-300ppi was standard and considered good) and decent. If they would've created a device which gets too close to the 200ppi line, things would be different. Just like with many other things in life, there are measures where "more and more" doesn't really offer much more once you simply reach a certain point. Just imagine there would be a phone with 8 gigs of RAM out there. Nice to have, but it's overkill for todays uses. Or a CPU with 16 cores, same thing: Nice, but somewhat useless.


    The Moto-X also has "just" a ppi of 312. Ain't much better than the Z30. The Lumia 1020 and 925 both feature 330ppi, they of course break Apples invented "Retina" rating, but compared to the high-end >400ppi cruisers out there, it isn't too impressive either. Yet you don't burn out your eyes by looking at those screens. I've got a work-supplied Nokia X7 with just 182ppi or take the BlackBerry Playbook with just 170ppi. I can even work with that, yet you can really see the difference between sub-200ppi screens and ~300ppi screens. However comparing those 300ppi screens to 400ppi, is just not as much as a visible improvement.
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    09-18-13 10:39 AM
  12. dr0800's Avatar
    I can't tell the difference between 720 and 1080 but, many claim they can. My eyesight must really suck.
    09-18-13 10:44 AM
  13. scribacco's Avatar
    LOL i notice you didn't bother with the iphone 5 that has a way better screen than the iphone 4. Compare the inpone 5 with the gs4 not 3 year old tech.

    PS the iphone screen doesn't even reach full HD (720) yet the human eye cant tell the difference.
    Please leave Apple screens alone they are far the best out there..
    09-18-13 10:46 AM
  14. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    If it's a full RGB display like the Moto X as opposed to Pentile, 720p on a 5" display is good enough for me. But I don't understand why people say that the human eye won't be able to distinguish the difference. When Apple made they're "retina" claim, all they said is that you won't be able to see individual pixels. You can still see increases in sharpness regardless of whether you can't see pixels on both displays. When viewing 1080p content, the 1080p 32" TV in my living room is clearly sharper than my 720p 32" TV in my room and having tested the HTC One (which I think has the best display on the market currently), it was noticeably sharper than my older HTC One X.
    Your 32" 1080p TV has a ppi of 69 ppi, your 32" 720p is 46 ppi. Of course you would see a difference as the human eye is capable of around 285 ppi. Since the Z30 is 295, it is better than the human eye can see.
    09-18-13 10:49 AM
  15. the_igg's Avatar
    Funny BB is touting the Z30 to have a "stunning" display. That isn't the word I think of when I hear a screen has pixel density of 295 ppi and a resolution of 720p, I think of sub-par, mediocre, antiquated, obsolete......
    Yup just like your post..
    09-18-13 10:55 AM
  16. Jaguarandine's Avatar
    As much as I love the Z30, I'm going to have to disagree with those claiming 720p is indistinguishable from 1080p in smartphones. Personally, I can see a clear difference. However, this difference is not as large as some people are making it out to be. The jump from SD phones to iPhone 4 Retina displays was huge. HD to Full HD, not so much. And for the Z30, it has one of the better 720p screens on the market with an S-Stripe AMOLED. I am not concerned with image quality.

    One of the bigger issues for me as phone resolutions have gotten higher, is that quality has not yet revealed itself in the apps. While many of the top apps look good, too many apps have pixelization issues from bad scaling, blurry images, and generally speaking an unoptimized experience. Streaming apps such as Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon all display content in 480p or less. Nothing is worse than when viewing articles in Flipboard, that giant low res image rears its ugly head. Manufacturers are churning out 1080p screens when most content isn't even optimized for 720p yet. It's silly.

    iPhones are somewhat of an exception, because they focus on small number of resolutions (but they are not immune). IOS apps much of the time look better than their Android counterparts. Android device manufacturers move fast, and I think it's hurting the quality of their ecosystem. This just my opinion though.
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    09-18-13 10:55 AM
  17. rthonpm's Avatar
    Agreed. Blackberry really missed the boat on this spec. Going to get laughed at by the android people.
    Android has devloved into spec porn anyway so who really cares? The only way they can tell their phones apart on the Android side is by comparing their internals...
    09-18-13 10:57 AM
  18. dr0800's Avatar
    Let's try and explain why the dpi discussion is a marketing ploy.
    The quality of vision of a human eye is dependent on a small area of the retina known as the macula. That's where all the cone cells reside. It's the cone cells that determine high quality colour vision. But unfortunately the number of these cells is fixed at birth and as we grow older the numbers slowly decline. I think researchers claim that anything above 250 dpi is undetectable at normal viewing distances.
    I appreciate that everyone nowadays is a sceptic but a simple way of proving this is to line up 50 screens of varying resolution above 300 dpi and ash observers to tell which ones have higher resolutions. Provided the screen sizes are the same and the same technology it can't be done.
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    09-18-13 10:57 AM
  19. iN8ter's Avatar
    The iphone 4 and 5 look the same to me. Hell even the Z10 next to the iphone 4 looks very similar. It should look fine on the z30.

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    Because your eyes are bad?

    The iPhone 4 and 5 have the same PPI. That's about it. The panel quality on the iPhone 5 is clearly superior to the 4 and 4S, esp. IRT the displace construction.
    09-18-13 11:01 AM
  20. jdcfinisher's Avatar
    Doesn't matter much if 95% of people can't see a difference, all the reviewers and phone makers are simply going to show the specs and say the screen isn't as good and that's what most people will believe. Followed by the the comments BlackBerry product under performs again and and other nail in the coffin of a dead company , new phone has 2012 specs. That's the way the world works , people will 'see' a difference even if there isn't one.

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    09-18-13 11:02 AM
  21. iN8ter's Avatar
    Let's try and explain why the dpi discussion is a marketing ploy.
    The quality of vision of a human eye is dependent on a small area of the retina known as the macula. That's where all the cone cells reside. It's the cone cells that determine high quality colour vision. But unfortunately the number of these cells is fixed at birth and as we grow older the numbers slowly decline. I think researchers claim that anything above 250 dpi is undetectable at normal viewing distances.
    I appreciate that everyone nowadays is a sceptic but a simple way of proving this is to line up 50 screens of varying resolution above 300 dpi and ash observers to tell which ones have higher resolutions. Provided the screen sizes are the same and the same technology it can't be done.
    Normal viewing distances depend on the device size, and I know from using PenTile displays that 250 is a rather low number to shoot for in a smartphone as a reference... At 300 or so it becomes less of an issue, but not all pixels are the same size (a Note at 720p 5.x" screen had bigger pixels than a Galaxy Nexus at 720p 4.6" screen) it's a bit embarrassing to launch a high end flagship device with a 720p screen in the latter half of 2013. Clearly this was done to keep costs down, and margins up.

    On the bright side, poor sales pretty much guarantees this thing will get discounted in short order... So not all is lost for those who will want one. Just wait a couple/few months.
    09-18-13 11:06 AM
  22. anon(5818411)'s Avatar
    You can definitely tell the difference. All of the people say that you can't are wrong. An 8K tv should look no different than a 1080P tv at certain distances, yeah right. I've seen 8K, it's like looking through a window.
    First of all you comparing a TV to a 5" screen phone which is already a terrible comparison.

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    09-18-13 11:12 AM
  23. lawguyman's Avatar
    You can definitely tell the difference. All of the people say that you can't are wrong. An 8K tv should look no different than a 1080P tv at certain distances, yeah right. I've seen 8K, it's like looking through a window.
    You mean a 4k TV right? No such thing as 8k.

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    09-18-13 11:43 AM
  24. Blacklac's Avatar
    I promise no one will walk into a store and look at a phone with ~300PPI and say, "Wow, this phones resolution is ****!"

    Hell, I have a 4.7" phone with 200PPI and I never look at it and wish it had more resolution. And for the record, I have a picky eye when it comes to resolution and such. I have been known to buy Bluray's from overseas just to get a superior encode.
    09-18-13 11:44 AM
  25. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Somehow, I think we'll be ok with 295 ppi. You're not gonna walk into the store thinking, wow, that screen looks like ****. You'll get over it

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    If you are a BlackBerry fan, willing to overpay for specs from last year, this may very well be the case.

    Every normal consumer won't even take a look at the Z30.
    The pricing is insane for providing these specs.

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    09-18-13 11:56 AM
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