- Don't worry you are not the one "not getting it".
The Z30, if it gets sold for 600$ off-contract is DOA.
If it is 199$ on contract, it is still DOA.
If the biggest "feature" the fanboys are touting as "incredible" will be the battery life, that phone is DOA.
Pretty much everything the Z30 offers are old specs.
And 0.8 inches more screen size than the Z10.
There is exactly 0 reason to think that the Z30 will sell substantially more, under the current market structure than the Z10 did.
Edit:
The iPhone 5s still only has a 4 inch screen.
With lots of imagination, one could fathom that this may actually give them a little edge (but realistically this advantage gets completely destroyed by a lack of apps).
Posted via CB1009-12-13 12:25 PMLike 0 - A few sites commenting on a report that the Z30 is currently in acceptance testing at Bell Canada and other large carriers.
As others mentioned, it is slated for a late September or early October launch.
The Z30 sports a5-inch display, a 1.7GHz dual-core processor, 8MP camera, 2,880 mAh battery, 16GB internal storage, 2GB RAM
It will be the last BB10 device for 2013 and will ship with OS 10.2
Those specs. won't impress possible converts.
Via my Z10 beta 10.4.1.133809-12-13 01:09 PMLike 0 - A few sites commenting on a report that the Z30 is currently in acceptance testing at Bell Canada and other large carriers.
As others mentioned, it is slated for a late September or early October launch.
The Z30 sports a5-inch display, a 1.7GHz dual-core processor, 8MP camera, 2,880 mAh battery, 16GB internal storage, 2GB RAM
It will be the last BB10 device for 2013 and will ship with OS 10.2
Those specs. won't impress possible converts.
Via my Z10 beta 10.4.1.1338
Do not like to be negative ... but who knows right
I personally will love the Z30 ... really love09-12-13 01:17 PMLike 0 - A few sites commenting on a report that the Z30 is currently in acceptance testing at Bell Canada and other large carriers.
As others mentioned, it is slated for a late September or early October launch.
The Z30 sports a5-inch display, a 1.7GHz dual-core processor, 8MP camera, 2,880 mAh battery, 16GB internal storage, 2GB RAM
It will be the last BB10 device for 2013 and will ship with OS 10.2
Those specs. won't impress possible converts.
Via my Z10 beta 10.4.1.1338
Posted via CB1009-12-13 01:53 PMLike 0 - So what is BB to do? If they sell on-contract for less than $199, they'll immediately be viewed as a second-tier device. It could be free on-contract and I don't think it'd sell any better. BB needs to make money. They can't simply give away phones for free (or sell them at a loss). If the Z30 takes care of some of the weaknesses of the Z10 (features/functionality/experience - not talking specs), then perhaps they'll get better reviews, and that might spur more interest. Who knows, but I don't think pricing lower than the default $199 will benefit them at all - at least not on initial release. There is a small chance reviewers will give it a positive review with the hardware improvements and the new features and enhancements of 10.2. I suspect, however, it'll still come down paper specs and the negative "too little, too late" mantra. Meaning the Z30 is likely to have at best only marginal success. But who knows.
If we take a serious look at the Z30, it IS a second tier phone.
But I can totally understand what you are saying.
Posted via CB1009-12-13 02:03 PMLike 0 - So what is BB to do? If they sell on-contract for less than $199, they'll immediately be viewed as a second-tier device. It could be free on-contract and I don't think it'd sell any better. BB needs to make money. They can't simply give away phones for free (or sell them at a loss). If the Z30 takes care of some of the weaknesses of the Z10 (features/functionality/experience - not talking specs), then perhaps they'll get better reviews, and that might spur more interest. Who knows, but I don't think pricing lower than the default $199 will benefit them at all - at least not on initial release. There is a small chance reviewers will give it a positive review with the hardware improvements and the new features and enhancements of 10.2. I suspect, however, it'll still come down paper specs and the negative "too little, too late" mantra. Meaning the Z30 is likely to have at best only marginal success. But who knows.
People need to try out BlackBerry 10 and lowering the cost of an entry-level device will get people on the platform. Once they enter the ecosystem, it's difficult to leave. Besides, I'm convinced that once people actually use BlackBerry 10, the experience is enough to keep most users. BlackBerry needs to sacrifice a bit for the sake of getting users on the OS.
Posted via CB10MarsupilamiX and xiaohuaxing like this.09-12-13 02:06 PMLike 2 - Actually, whether it's the Z30 or not, BlackBerry needs to get a BlackBerry 10 device out there for a very cheap (free on contract, even) price. This is where Windows Phone is besting them with the 521 and, yet, Windows Phone has no "cheap"stigma around it.
People need to try out BlackBerry 10 and lowering the cost of an entry-level device will get people on the platform. Once they enter the ecosystem, it's difficult to leave. Besides, I'm convinced that once people actually use BlackBerry 10, the experience is enough to keep most users. BlackBerry needs to sacrifice a bit for the sake of getting users on the OS.
Posted via CB10h20work likes this.09-12-13 02:13 PMLike 1 - They have free-on-contract BB10 devices: Z10, Q5, Q10.
They have "entry-level" devices but they are on a different legacy platform.
The fundamental problem is that BB10 cannot run on an entry-level device or tablet. It does not scale. They simply did not have the talent to take a 200-person shop (QNX) with an RTOS without any developer support and transform it into a scalable mobile OS. If they had done that, they would have had a tablet, entry-level BB10, mid-level BB10 and high-priced BB10.
Actually, whether it's the Z30 or not, BlackBerry needs to get a BlackBerry 10 device out there for a very cheap (free on contract, even) price. This is where Windows Phone is besting them with the 521 and, yet, Windows Phone has no "cheap"stigma around it.
People need to try out BlackBerry 10 and lowering the cost of an entry-level device will get people on the platform. Once they enter the ecosystem, it's difficult to leave. Besides, I'm convinced that once people actually use BlackBerry 10, the experience is enough to keep most users. BlackBerry needs to sacrifice a bit for the sake of getting users on the OS.
Posted via CB1009-12-13 04:10 PMLike 0 - They have free-on-contract BB10 devices: Z10, Q5, Q10.
They have "entry-level" devices but they are on a different legacy platform.
The fundamental problem is that BB10 cannot run on an entry-level device or tablet. It does not scale. They simply did not have the talent to take a 200-person shop (QNX) with an RTOS without any developer support and transform it into a scalable mobile OS. If they had done that, they would have had a tablet, entry-level BB10, mid-level BB10 and high-priced BB10.xiaohuaxing and danprown like this.09-12-13 04:27 PMLike 2 - They have free-on-contract BB10 devices: Z10, Q5, Q10.
They have "entry-level" devices but they are on a different legacy platform.
The fundamental problem is that BB10 cannot run on an entry-level device or tablet. It does not scale. They simply did not have the talent to take a 200-person shop (QNX) with an RTOS without any developer support and transform it into a scalable mobile OS. If they had done that, they would have had a tablet, entry-level BB10, mid-level BB10 and high-priced BB10.danprown likes this.09-12-13 04:42 PMLike 1 - If they were smart they would price their supposed flagship at $199.99. That seems to be the main pricepoint for flagships. When BlackBerry had the Q10 priced at $249.99 I went nuts.xiaohuaxing and h20work like this.09-12-13 07:53 PMLike 2
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BB10 is already MUCH more attractive than it was at launch (and 10.2 makes it considerably more so).
From the awesome PHYSICAL keyboard of my Q10xiaohuaxing and DJM626 like this.09-12-13 07:57 PMLike 2 - You know, many of the posters here are demanding a "top tier cutting edge" spec for BlackBerry. I don't think that will ever happen unless BlackBerry deliberately launches phones that are meant to be upgraded every 6 months. Please don't. I hate that. Just like how the OS 5 to OS6 to OS7 cycles. Too fast in between, and too little updates, but locked out to spesific tier models. I don't ever want BlackBerry to return to that mode.
Secondly, anybody that has done a fair bit of research on BlackBerry's hardware will always notice that they don't always have the state of the art hardware. Look at the so called 5MP lens that BlackBerry had been offering. That was since... when was it? OS6? They're reusing parts that they can use, and continue to push. Anybody that did a research won't be surprised with the way that BlackBerry treats the Q5 because it is exactly what they did with their low end models back during legacy BB OS days.
Just like Thunderbuck mentioned, if you want a cheaper BlackBerry wait for the newer generation of BlackBerry to arrive. Even then, the latest generation of BlackBerries won't have the "ultra top tier end" of hardware. Look at the Playbook's TI OMAP and Z10's TI OMAP SoCs and you'll understand, that during that transition phase (actually Texas Instruments did announce they were going off the SoC business), but somewhere in between I think it was Samsung or was it HTC went with an upgraded TI OMAP design for their tablets and (none in the phone) just about the time BlackBerry announces the hardware specs.
That itself already would / should have painted the picture that BlackBerry isn't into the spec war from the early beginning.
If spec wars are of any benchmark, as long as a BlackBerry device can be on par / hold up against a Nexus device, I think that itself would be a fair strategy for BlackBerry instead of gunning for the super high end spec wars market.09-12-13 08:16 PMLike 0 - I'll buy one if it in fact goes 2-3 days on a charge, speak for yourself please. Though not for a dime more than $199, if they price it at $249 like the Q10 they can go screw themselves. If they actually want to increase market share by selling to people other than those on Crackberry, then they need to be thinking either $99 or some other kind of incentive if they are dead set on maintaining the "premium" price tag, like cash for trade-ins. Take the money you're paying Alicia Keys to fund this.09-12-13 08:35 PMLike 0
- You know, many of the posters here are demanding a "top tier cutting edge" spec for BlackBerry. I don't think that will ever happen unless BlackBerry deliberately launches phones that are meant to be upgraded every 6 months. Please don't. I hate that. Just like how the OS 5 to OS6 to OS7 cycles. Too fast in between, and too little updates, but locked out to spesific tier models. I don't ever want BlackBerry to return to that mode.
Secondly, anybody that has done a fair bit of research on BlackBerry's hardware will always notice that they don't always have the state of the art hardware. Look at the so called 5MP lens that BlackBerry had been offering. That was since... when was it? OS6? They're reusing parts that they can use, and continue to push. Anybody that did a research won't be surprised with the way that BlackBerry treats the Q5 because it is exactly what they did with their low end models back during legacy BB OS days.
Just like Thunderbuck mentioned, if you want a cheaper BlackBerry wait for the newer generation of BlackBerry to arrive. Even then, the latest generation of BlackBerries won't have the "ultra top tier end" of hardware. Look at the Playbook's TI OMAP and Z10's TI OMAP SoCs and you'll understand, that during that transition phase (actually Texas Instruments did announce they were going off the SoC business), but somewhere in between I think it was Samsung or was it HTC went with an upgraded TI OMAP design for their tablets and (none in the phone) just about the time BlackBerry announces the hardware specs.
That itself already would / should have painted the picture that BlackBerry isn't into the spec war from the early beginning.
If spec wars are of any benchmark, as long as a BlackBerry device can be on par / hold up against a Nexus device, I think that itself would be a fair strategy for BlackBerry instead of gunning for the super high end spec wars market.
It's not about wanting a cheaper device for me, as I can afford my phones on a full price off-contract basis.
It's about giving the market what it is willing to pay.
A phone that retails for 600$ off-contract or 199$ on-contract has to fulfil certain criteria the market expects.
The Z30 exactly offers none, except for the 5 inch screen, but even this one is subpar.
Ecosystem? Subpar.
Specs? Subpar.
Camera? Subpar.
Experience? BB10 is nice, the 3 points evoked before make for a subpar experience nonetheless.
If someone wants to buy a 600$ phone, subpar just doesn't cut it.
That's why I am talking about the price.
It's not about me wanting to have a cheaper phone, it's about BlackBerry not understanding that their phones aren't worth 600$ to the consumer, even though they would like to sell them for that price.
(I am talking about the cell-phone market as an aggregate)
If the Z30 is on par with the Nexus, but costs 300$ more, it already lost the comparison at that point.
Posted via CB1009-12-13 08:38 PMLike 4 - I think you misunderstood something there...
It's not about wanting a cheaper device for me, as I can afford my phones on a full price off-contract basis.
It's about giving the market what it is willing to pay.
A phone that retails for 600$ off-contract or 199$ on-contract has to fulfil certain criteria the market expects.
The Z30 exactly offers none, except for the 5 inch screen, but even this one is subpar.
Ecosystem? Subpar.
Specs? Subpar.
Camera? Subpar.
Experience? BB10 is nice, the 3 points evoked before make for a subpar experience nonetheless.
If someone wants to buy a 600$ phone, subpar just doesn't cut it.
That's why I am talking about the price.
It's not about me wanting to have a cheaper phone, it's about BlackBerry not understanding that their phones aren't worth 600$ to the consumer, even though they would like to sell them for that price.
(I am talking about the cell-phone market as an aggregate)
If the Z30 is on par with the Nexus, but costs 300$ more, it already lost the comparison at that point.
Posted via CB10
Once people get on the BlackBerry 10 train and the aforementioned revisions happen, BlackBerry can, justifiably, with the correct device, begin pricing competitively with the iPhone and other flagships.09-12-13 08:57 PMLike 3 - Aren't the latest and greatest flagship devices initially going for $299/ contract these days? It seems to me that $199/ contact would be reasonable. Any less and they would be ripped for placing their latest and greatest in a mid tier category, imo. I'm no expert in marketing or business, just going off what I've been reading and seeing about BlackBerry the past couple of years. They seemed to be damned if they do, damned if they don't....I'm just wondering when the backlash will take place against ridiculous specs for cameras and processors. At what point do people get sick of paying top dollar for the latest and greatest 'specs' that make marginal, at best, improvements?09-12-13 09:15 PMLike 0
- Backlash will take place when they write down $250M USD in unsold Z30 inventory because all of about 5 people will show up to buy a phablet with 70,000 fake apps.09-13-13 02:44 AMLike 0
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Because of the uncertainty, if it is in fact released in the US, there might well be demand based upon the fact that it probably would be The Last BlackBerry. Or else all of that unsold -- or withdrawn -- inventory will end up on eBay.
As I said elsewhere, all of this is eerily reminiscent of what happened with the ill-fated Pre 3 two years ago. A few examples (among a ton) from webOS Nation:
Pre3 scheduled to be released in August on Verizon!
A third Pre3 hits the FCC - Sorry, it's GSM
Just Ran Into Pre 3 Beta Tester Today
HP Pre3 GSM FCC Application09-13-13 06:56 AMLike 0 - Ouch.
Because of the uncertainty, if it is in fact released in the US, there might well be demand based upon the fact that it probably would be The Last BlackBerry. Or else all of that unsold -- or withdrawn -- inventory will end up on eBay.
As I said elsewhere, all of this is eerily reminiscent of what happened with the ill-fated Pre 3 two years ago. A few examples (among a ton) from webOS Nation:
Pre3 scheduled to be released in August on Verizon!
A third Pre3 hits the FCC - Sorry, it's GSM
Just Ran Into Pre 3 Beta Tester Today
HP Pre3 GSM FCC Applicationmikeycollins13 likes this.09-13-13 10:25 AMLike 1 -
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