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  1. ibpluto's Avatar
    I hope the A10 has 1080p....not because I want that, but so people on here can STFU about it.

    Posted via CB10 from my awesome Z10
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    07-14-13 09:11 PM
  2. cbfan10's Avatar
    if a10 has 720p the stock will drop further.. if anyone is still invested in their stock
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    07-14-13 09:25 PM
  3. agp101's Avatar
    I hope the A10 has 1080p....not because I want that, but so people on here can STFU about it.

    Posted via CB10 from my awesome Z10
    If the competition has 1080p, the A10 has to have the same. Simple as that. If the competition has economies of scale to produce said product cheaper, thus forcing a competitor like BlackBerry into a segment they quite frankly cannot afford, then that's business. 1080p or go home or stop selling smartphones because it's obviously not a market for them if they can't keep up. Sell things that are more profitable. Simply put: bb isn't a hardcore competitor at all. They really give nothing to worry about.


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    07-14-13 11:17 PM
  4. Pilchard's Avatar
    If the competition has 1080p, the A10 has to have the same. Simple as that. If the competition has economies of scale to produce said product cheaper, thus forcing a competitor like BlackBerry into a segment they quite frankly cannot afford, then that's business. 1080p or go home or stop selling smartphones because it's obviously not a market for them if they can't keep up. Sell things that are more profitable. Simply put: bb isn't a hardcore competitor at all. They really give nothing to worry about.
    Harsh but fair. I live in the UK and support Arsenal Football Club (proper football, none of this picking it up and running with it rubbish ;-) ). We haven't won anything for 7 years (might be 8, I am losing count.) There's an analogy with Blackberry. We cannot spend as much money as our competitors so we cannot keep up. We have tried to be clever with our cash but it has not been enough to win anything. In tech, it's all about Research and Development spend, followed by marketing spend. Blackberry cannot go toe to toe with Apple, Samsung and Google (Motorola).

    I have a feeling the A10 will just reinforce this view. Even IF it launches with a quad core Snapdragon 800 and a great 1080p screen (reviews say the Q10 screen isn't the best of its kind) it's still going head to head with the big boys. BB10 is not enough on its own - sales of the Z10 prove that.

    We are all emotionally invested in Blackberry succeeding. Doesn't mean they will though does it?
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    07-15-13 06:20 AM
  5. agp101's Avatar
    Harsh but fair. I live in the UK and support Arsenal Football Club (proper football, none of this picking it up and running with it rubbish ;-) ). We haven't won anything for 7 years (might be 8, I am losing count.) There's an analogy with Blackberry. We cannot spend as much money as our competitors so we cannot keep up. We have tried to be clever with our cash but it has not been enough to win anything. In tech, it's all about Research and Development spend, followed by marketing spend. Blackberry cannot go toe to toe with Apple, Samsung and Google (Motorola).

    I have a feeling the A10 will just reinforce this view. Even IF it launches with a quad core Snapdragon 800 and a great 1080p screen (reviews say the Q10 screen isn't the best of its kind) it's still going head to head with the big boys. BB10 is not enough on its own - sales of the Z10 prove that.

    We are all emotionally invested in Blackberry succeeding. Doesn't mean they will though does it?
    In the end it's unfortunate but it's just the way it works. Success is not guaranteed. It's going to be a very tough battle indeed. They have a lot of catching up to do in every aspect of their game. They need investment from some major company to help them or something. When you think about it, their 3 billion in the bank is just nothing compared to its competitors. 3 billion can cover one whole major marketing blitz for Samsung for example.

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    07-15-13 12:48 PM
  6. RubberChicken76's Avatar
    Persoanlly though im more worried about the dual core rumours, dual core and 720p means the press will pitch it (rightly or wrongly) against the G2, Nexus 5, iPhone5s and say `its got less specs for the same price`. As a company wanting to make a comeback that's a huge perception issue to have to handle.
    This is my concern as well. I view a 1080p 5" screen to be a bit pointless ... like bragging about LTE speeds when you don't have LTE coverage, or NFC when you'll never actually use it. I know my eyes (and many other people's eyes) won't detect a difference on a screen that size, and I worry that pushing all those pixels will eat my battery life and slow my device down. Would rather spend the money on 32 GB of storage instead

    But yeah - the press will point it out
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    07-15-13 12:51 PM
  7. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    If the competition has 1080p, the A10 has to have the same. Simple as that. If the competition has economies of scale to produce said product cheaper, thus forcing a competitor like BlackBerry into a segment they quite frankly cannot afford, then that's business. 1080p or go home or stop selling smartphones because it's obviously not a market for them if they can't keep up. Sell things that are more profitable. Simply put: bb isn't a hardcore competitor at all. They really give nothing to worry about.


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    Please show me a Windows and Apple phone that has 1080p. Thanks
    07-15-13 01:15 PM
  8. texazzpete's Avatar
    Please show me a Windows and Apple phone that has 1080p. Thanks
    A10 is coming out this fall. Windows Phones are scheduled for release at that time with Quad core SoCs and 1080p screens with the GDR3 release.

    Apple plays by its own rules. It's a whole different ball game entirely. I have no idea why folks like you still do not realize this and keep bringing this up.
    Besides, sticking to a 4 inch screen gives them the same pixel density as their 1080p wielding competitors.

    Apple are excused also because they always have one or two selling points they use in their marketing and that resonates well with the consumer. Thinness, lightness, GPU power, CPU...something!
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    07-15-13 01:35 PM
  9. Nathan Bael's Avatar
    Apple plays by its own rules. It's a whole different ball game entirely. I have no idea why folks like you still do not realize this and keep bringing this up.
    Besides, sticking to a 4 inch screen gives them the same pixel density as their 1080p wielding competitors.

    Apple are excused also because they always have one or two selling points they use in their marketing and that resonates well with the consumer. Thinness, lightness, GPU power, CPU...something!
    I read somewhere, I think iMore or Macrjmors, that Apple is looking to double its resolution again. I don't think they meant this release, but in the near future.
    07-15-13 01:48 PM
  10. agp101's Avatar
    Please show me a Windows and Apple phone that has 1080p. Thanks
    Please show me a Windows Phone or iPhone that competes in the 5+ inch smartphone market. Thanks

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    07-15-13 01:50 PM
  11. Qaxl's Avatar
    Can Aristo be the savior, the thing to turn the company around? No. That kind of thing takes time, and will happen across several devices.
    I disagree, you only need ONE device to turn a company around. Just one great device that can capture peoples imaginations, and show the world what the company is capable of.

    Can Aristo be the Savior ? Absolutely Yes! If they wake up and ask someone what year this is.

    Will Aristo be the Savior? It will be quite the opposite, dont know how BlackBerry will get out of this mess.
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    07-17-13 05:28 AM
  12. Jaguarandine's Avatar
    If the competition has 1080p, the A10 has to have the same. Simple as that. If the competition has economies of scale to produce said product cheaper, thus forcing a competitor like BlackBerry into a segment they quite frankly cannot afford, then that's business. 1080p or go home or stop selling smartphones because it's obviously not a market for them if they can't keep up. Sell things that are more profitable. Simply put: bb isn't a hardcore competitor at all. They really give nothing to worry about.
    I understand your passion on this topic, really I do. However, do you truly understand what you're saying here? 1080p or stop selling phones? Really? All we can do is speculate right now, but if there were a financial reason for not going 1080p (in addition to the other reasons listed), do you expect BlackBerry to go all or nothing on the A10? As a business, I don't think they believe that would be the best solution in the current situation.


    A10 is coming out this fall. Windows Phones are scheduled for release at that time with Quad core SoCs and 1080p screens with the GDR3 release.

    Apple plays by its own rules. It's a whole different ball game entirely. I have no idea why folks like you still do not realize this and keep bringing this up.
    Besides, sticking to a 4 inch screen gives them the same pixel density as their 1080p wielding competitors.

    Apple are excused also because they always have one or two selling points they use in their marketing and that resonates well with the consumer. Thinness, lightness, GPU power, CPU...something!
    So someone brings up a counter argument and you dismiss it out of hand? I don't think that's fair at all. At least prove why Apple is disqualified from this discussion. After all, Android phones (including Samsung) are selling better worldwide than Apple, and many people are insisting that BlackBerry follow them into the specs race. Why is one ok and not the other?

    What about Jolla? They will be releasing phones based on the power of the software, not the hardware. Is this a bad decision?

    BTW, iPhone 5 PPI is around 325. 1080p 5" phones start at around 440 PPI. So unfortunately, their PPIs are not similiar.


    Please show me a Windows Phone or iPhone that competes in the 5+ inch smartphone market. Thanks

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    What about the rumored 6.1 Huawei Windows phone? They've just released it's 6.1 inch Android brother. And it's 720p.


    I disagree, you only need ONE device to turn a company around. Just one great device that can capture peoples imaginations, and show the world what the company is capable of.

    Can Aristo be the Savior ? Absolutely Yes! If they wake up and ask someone what year this is.

    Will Aristo be the Savior? It will be quite the opposite, dont know how BlackBerry will get out of this mess.
    The first Android phones and iPhones did not have even close to the same popularity that they do now. In a market so competitive today, how do you expect the A10 to get such a foothold as you are describing? Why isn't the HTC One selling like the Galaxy S4? I think these are questions worth considering very deeply.

    Were you unhappy with the Z10? Personally I think it's a great phone, with a great OS (although in early form). It was (and still is) a very good effort by BlackBerry. We wish sales were better, but that does not make the Aristo an all or nothing device.
    07-17-13 02:07 PM
  13. texazzpete's Avatar
    So someone brings up a counter argument and you dismiss it out of hand? I don't think that's fair at all. At least prove why Apple is disqualified from this discussion. After all, Android phones (including Samsung) are selling better worldwide than Apple, and many people are insisting that BlackBerry follow them into the specs race. Why is one ok and not the other?
    Apple iPhones sell more than any Android phone out there. They have an iconic brand and the highest customer satisfaction numbers in the industry... Their appeal transcends specs to millions of their fans ... They are exempt from this conversation for obvious reasons.


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    07-17-13 03:05 PM
  14. Jaguarandine's Avatar
    Apple iPhones sell more than any Android phone out there. They have an iconic brand and the highest customer satisfaction numbers in the industry... Their appeal transcends specs to millions of their fans ... They are exempt from this conversation for obvious reasons.


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    I don't think we're going to come to an agreement on this Apple thing.

    Android phones sell more than IOS phones. Samsung by themselves sell more. I think this by itself says yes, comparisons can be made. The same people that like the iPhone could like Android or BlackBerry. Not everyone, but many.

    Also, are you telling me Apple can sell it's iPhone with weaker hardware for $850, and BlackBerry shouldn't release a more powerful dual core at around $500-600? And they can't be compared?

    Also, will you respond to my Jolla comment?
    07-17-13 04:26 PM
  15. anon(5818411)'s Avatar
    This is what the A10 should be like!! This guy stole the words right out of my mouth

    http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...1/#post8841550

    I'd like it and thank it 1,000,000 times. Definitely the best thread on these forums at the moment.
    07-17-13 05:18 PM
  16. texazzpete's Avatar
    I don't think we're going to come to an agreement on this Apple thing.

    Android phones sell more than IOS phones. Samsung by themselves sell more. I think this by itself says yes, comparisons can be made. The same people that like the iPhone could like Android or BlackBerry. Not everyone, but many.

    Also, are you telling me Apple can sell it's iPhone with weaker hardware for $850, and BlackBerry shouldn't release a more powerful dual core at around $500-600? And they can't be compared?

    Also, will you respond to my Jolla comment?
    No single Android phone sells more than the iPhone 5. If you're going to say all Android phones combined, that isn't a worthwhile comparison.

    The iPhone 5 is more powerful than the Z10/Q10. If the rumors of the A10 using an S4 pro are correct, the next iPhone will most certainly be more powerful than the A10 too... And starting prices for iPhones off contract is more like $650.

    The Jolla hardware will be judged on tech specs too, but I don't see that OS gaining any reasonably traction anyway.

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    07-17-13 07:42 PM
  17. agp101's Avatar
    I understand your passion on this topic, really I do. However, do you truly understand what you're saying here? 1080p or stop selling phones? Really? All we can do is speculate right now, but if there were a financial reason for not going 1080p (in addition to the other reasons listed), do you expect BlackBerry to go all or nothing on the A10? As a business, I don't think they believe that would be the best solution in the current situation.




    So someone brings up a counter argument and you dismiss it out of hand? I don't think that's fair at all. At least prove why Apple is disqualified from this discussion. After all, Android phones (including Samsung) are selling better worldwide than Apple, and many people are insisting that BlackBerry follow them into the specs race. Why is one ok and not the other?

    What about Jolla? They will be releasing phones based on the power of the software, not the hardware. Is this a bad decision?

    BTW, iPhone 5 PPI is around 325. 1080p 5" phones start at around 440 PPI. So unfortunately, their PPIs are not similiar.




    What about the rumored 6.1 Huawei Windows phone? They've just released it's 6.1 inch Android brother. And it's 720p.




    The first Android phones and iPhones did not have even close to the same popularity that they do now. In a market so competitive today, how do you expect the A10 to get such a foothold as you are describing? Why isn't the HTC One selling like the Galaxy S4? I think these are questions worth considering very deeply.

    Were you unhappy with the Z10? Personally I think it's a great phone, with a great OS (although in early form). It was (and still is) a very good effort by BlackBerry. We wish sales were better, but that does not make the Aristo an all or nothing device.
    1080p or don't sell a 5+" phone, yes. Not stop selling phones period. And don't give me that Huwaei bogus. I don't care how big a screen they have, that brand is not high end not anywhere near flagship status. They're a cheap brand, this they've gone 720p. Do you want bb to be cheap too?

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    07-17-13 08:58 PM
  18. tiziano27's Avatar
    Good for you OP, it will be an eccentric collection piece in 10 years.
    07-17-13 09:26 PM
  19. Jaguarandine's Avatar
    No single Android phone sells more than the iPhone 5. If you're going to say all Android phones combined, that isn't a worthwhile comparison.

    The iPhone 5 is more powerful than the Z10/Q10. If the rumors of the A10 using an S4 pro are correct, the next iPhone will most certainly be more powerful than the A10 too... And starting prices for iPhones off contract is more like $650.

    The Jolla hardware will be judged on tech specs too, but I don't see that OS gaining any reasonably traction anyway.

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    Ok, I'll agree with you on the iPhone point. It's the single best selling phone.

    I think which phone is more powerful is certainly debatable. The Z10 and Q10 have significantly better CPUs, and twice the RAM.

    Jolla is a phone who's main selling point is it's software. The hardware will definitely be mid range at best. And with an asking price of over $500, they must be confident in it's quality. It's predecessor, the N9, sold millions of devices.
    07-17-13 09:48 PM
  20. Jaguarandine's Avatar
    So let me get this straight guys. You're arguing that a phone's specs are more important than its software. And this assertion is proven by the market, specifically with Android devices. But when trying to prove otherwise, iPhones don't count, because Apple devices transcend comparison. And Huawaei devices don't count because they're really cheap. And Jolla doesn't count because they're really tiny and won't make an impact anyway. Tell me if I'm close
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    07-17-13 09:52 PM
  21. xBURK's Avatar
    OP, thank you for the thread. You make interesting points that just may have changed my view. Now we need someone like you on every store.

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    07-17-13 10:48 PM
  22. letmein13's Avatar
    BB need to learn a lesson about not repackaging their new phones with cosmetic changes and asking consumers to pay top dollar for them.

    I'd tell BB sales representatives to get lost if their 700 dollar A10 had the following specs: 5" screen (no HD), a slightly bigger battery, and a quadcore GPU. I consider these specs cosmetic changes No freaking way. Not in my widest dream.
    07-18-13 06:10 AM
  23. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    BB need to learn a lesson about not repackaging their new phones with cosmetic changes and asking consumers to pay top dollar for them.

    I'd tell BB sales representatives to get lost if their 700 dollar A10 had the following specs: 5" screen (no HD), a slightly bigger battery, and a quadcore GPU. I consider these specs cosmetic changes No freaking way. Not in my widest dream.
    The A10 will have a 5" HD screen.
    Last edited by Bluenoser63; 07-18-13 at 07:28 AM.
    07-18-13 06:15 AM
  24. Jaguarandine's Avatar
    I thought these articles add to the discussion since the Moto X has the same specs as the Z30:

    The Moto X is not a "mid-range" device, it's top-shelf

    Moto X and Missed Expectations | TechnoBuffalo
    08-04-13 11:14 PM
  25. bekkay's Avatar
    People who are saying there is no difference between 720p and 1080p AMOLEDS need to compare the S3 and S4 screens side-by-side.
    There is a striking and VERY noticeable difference.

    I understand that the difference is not only due to the resolution, but I doubt that a 720p screen will have the same (brightness, contrast, gamut, etc.) quality as the higher-end 1080p screens.
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    08-05-13 12:18 AM
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