07-28-13 01:10 AM
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  1. mnc76's Avatar
    Hoping we could get a comparison going between the 5S and the A10. Are there any places where the A10 (based on the rumoured specs) could stand out over the 5S?

    I'll try to add in specs for the S4 and HTC One at some point (or paste them in here if someone else collects them). Would be good if the A10 was "top of the line" in some way or at least "on par with top of the line". It seems to have many specs on par with what is rumoured to be the future iPhone.

    Anyhow, just trying to see if there is any potential good news in the A10 specs.

    iPhone 5S - Rumoured Specs

    • Display: 4" or 4.3" IGZO, 1136 x 640 (326 PPI or 303 PPI)
    • CPU: Apple A6, Dual core, 1.4 - 1.7 Ghz (same CPU arch. as iPhone 5 w/ higher clock)
    • GPU: PowerVR SGX 554MP4, Quad core (same as iPad 4)
    • RAM: 2GB
    • Storage: 16/32/64 GB (integrated), non-upgradeable
    • Camera: 12 megapixel w/ dual-LED flash
    • Battery: >1440 mAh (integrated)
    • Misc.: NFC, fingerprint scanner, improved LTE radio


    BlackBerry A10 - Rumoured specs
    • Display: 5" OLED, 1280 x 720 (295 PPI)
    • CPU: Qualcomm Krait, Dual core, 1.7 Ghz
    • GPU: Qualcomm Adreno 320, Quad core
    • RAM: 2GB
    • Storage: 16 GB (integrated) + up to 64 GB hot-swappable uSD
    • Camera: 8 megapixel
    • Battery: 2800 mAh (integrated)
    • Misc.: NFC, micro HDMI out


    I will do some more research as time permits (e.g.: spending some time on Anand Tech, and Tom's Hardware Guide
    Last edited by mnc76; 07-18-13 at 05:21 PM.
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    07-17-13 06:28 PM
  2. Comatose11's Avatar
    Right on, have they announced a release date for the 5S?

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    07-17-13 06:37 PM
  3. OldSkoolVWLover's Avatar
    [title updated and thread moved]
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    07-17-13 06:40 PM
  4. mnc76's Avatar
    Right on, have they announced a release date for the 5S?

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    Conflicting reports. Consensus is that it'll be released no earlier than September though.

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    07-17-13 06:41 PM
  5. BigBuffBerry's Avatar
    How do the GPu's compare?
    07-17-13 09:41 PM
  6. rnhld's Avatar
    How do the GPu's compare?
    AnandTech | iPad 4 GPU Performance Analyzed: PowerVR SGX 554MP4 Under the Hood
    07-17-13 10:22 PM
  7. Dzyen's Avatar
    They've only got a 1440 battery in the iPhone?
    Holy hell......
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    07-17-13 10:54 PM
  8. mastermike87's Avatar
    They've only got a 1440 battery in the iPhone?
    Holy hell......
    Literally 2x battery life. If that isn't a selling feature, I don't know what is.

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    07-17-13 11:02 PM
  9. trsbbs's Avatar
    A10 needs to step up in the camera area. That thing is now two years old.






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    07-17-13 11:03 PM
  10. notfanboy's Avatar
    Literally 2x battery life. If that isn't a selling feature, I don't know what is.
    That's battery capacity, which is different from battery life.
    barnfoot, Rello and bigboybkrises like this.
    07-18-13 12:00 AM
  11. The Me's Avatar
    Their GPU TRUMPSSSSSSSSSSSS the Adreno 320.

    WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?
    07-18-13 12:25 AM
  12. Bbnivende's Avatar
    Latest 5S rumor is that the screen size is now going to be 4.3 inches.
    07-18-13 12:46 AM
  13. Aljean Thein's Avatar
    Latest 5S rumor is that the screen size is now going to be 4.3 inches.
    Where did you get this source from?

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    07-18-13 12:50 AM
  14. mastermike87's Avatar
    That's battery capacity, which is different from battery life.
    My mistake. Still impressive though.

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    07-18-13 01:27 AM
  15. mnc76's Avatar
    They've only got a 1440 battery in the iPhone?
    Holy hell......
    Sorry for any confusion, I put ">" in there to mean that it is rumoured to have a higher capacity than 1440 mAh. 1440 mAh is the current iPhone 5 capacity.

    Exactly how much more capacity the 5S will have is not yet known.
    Last edited by mnc76; 07-18-13 at 03:32 AM.
    07-18-13 03:08 AM
  16. mnc76's Avatar
    Their GPU TRUMPSSSSSSSSSSSS the Adreno 320.

    WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?
    The thing that confuses me is that "A6" is NOT a CPU but an SOC (system on a chip) which includes BOTH a CPU and GPU component. Currently the only Apple SOC with a PowerVR 554MP4 is the A6X , not the A6...

    However, the leaks state that the 5S has an "A6 CPU"... but with the A6X's GPU....

    The major difference between the A6 and A6X CPUs is that the A6X CPU has a 128 bit memory controller compared to the 64 bit controller in the A6 CPU.

    Still learning Apple tech (Apple isn't exactly forthcoming with details )

    So the question is this: Are the leaks that have been saying that the 5S has an A6 CPU WRONG?...did they mean A6X? If so, then YEAH... The 5S SOC destroys the MSM8960 Pro in graphics performance because it means they have essentially reduced an iPad 4 into a handset form factor: It means we can compare MSM8960 Pro benchmarks directly against iPad 4 benchmarks (and the results show that the iPad 4 has substantially greater performance).

    However, if Apple actually did pair the A6 SOC's CPU with the 554MP4 GPU of the A6X SOC (as the leaks currently indicate), then we can't use AnandTech iPad 4 benchmarks to determine the 5S's performance, since the CPU/GPU bandwidth of the A6 CPU with the 554MP4 would be one half (64bit versus 128 bit) of the A6X SOC used in the iPad 4.

    Personally, it looks like they probably used the A6 CPU with the 554MP4 GPU. Why? Because the iPad 4 still destroys the MSM8960 Pro even though the iPad 4 is at a resolution of 2048 x 1536 and the MSM8960 Pro (in AnandTech benchmarks) is at a resolution of 1280 x 768. In other words, it appears they don't need the extra bandwidth of the A6X CPU since the iPhone 5S has to move less than 1/4 the number of pixels the iPad 4 has to move (iPad 4 rez of 2048x1536 versus 5S rez of 1136x640).
    Last edited by mnc76; 07-18-13 at 04:11 AM.
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    07-18-13 03:13 AM
  17. BigBuffBerry's Avatar
    Damn, the 320 sucks. I hope they have better than that.
    07-18-13 08:57 AM
  18. bitek's Avatar
    How do the GPu's compare?
    it is fast GPU

    Rumored Z30 specs compared to Rumoured iPhone 5S Specs-glbench25.png

    Rumored Z30 specs compared to Rumoured iPhone 5S Specs-glbench21.png
    07-18-13 09:08 AM
  19. BigBuffBerry's Avatar
    it is fast GPU
    It looks fast for a year ago.

    Honestly as long as it can play games as well as an iphone 5S or S4, then it is fine. But it needs to be right up there.
    07-18-13 09:15 AM
  20. gitchies's Avatar
    The average consumer will pick iPhone. Simply the camera. Perception is the higher the MP the better quality.
    Yes everyone here is techy, but remember the masses aren't.....bigger MP, better camera.....
    07-18-13 09:24 AM
  21. greyw0lf01's Avatar
    Apple also has better marketing too. Remember, they are the ones who put Retina display on the map.

    If they switch to IGZO... it’ll be the best thing since slice bread.

    Also, when they roll out the next iPhone, they will have charts that show that it’s 35% faster than the last phone, 8000% better than an android phone, battery that last 14hrs... you get the idea.

    Apple doesn’t give you specs... they just tell you how much better it is than anything else then they let the tech writers kill themselves over comparisons.

    The consumer will know two important things... the new iPhone is awesome and they can buy it on Friday in store or pre-order at 5pm on announcement day.
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    07-18-13 09:35 AM
  22. Vijik's Avatar
    Hoping we could get a comparison going between the 5S and the A10. Are there any places where the A10 (based on the rumoured specs) could stand out over the 5S?

    I'll try to add in specs for the S4 and HTC One at some point (or paste them in here if someone else collects them). Would be good if the A10 was "top of the line" in some way or at least "on par with top of the line". It seems to have many specs on par with what is rumoured to be the future iPhone.

    Anyhow, just trying to see if there is any potential good news in the A10 specs.

    iPhone 5S - Rumoured Specs

    • Display: 4" IGZO, 1136 x 640 (326 PPI)
    • CPU: Apple A6, Dual core, 1.4 - 1.7 Ghz (same CPU arch. as iPhone 5 w/ higher clock)
    • GPU: PowerVR SGX 554MP4, Quad core (same as iPad 4)
    • RAM: 2GB
    • Storage: 16/32/64 GB (integrated), non-upgradeable
    • Camera: 12 megapixel w/ dual-LED flash
    • Battery: > 1440 mAh (integrated)
    • Misc.: NFC, fingerprint scanner, improved LTE radio


    BlackBerry A10 - Rumoured specs
    • Display: 5" OLED, 1280 x 720 (295 PPI)
    • CPU: Qualcomm Krait, Dual core, 1.7 Ghz
    • GPU: Qualcomm Adreno 320, Quad core
    • RAM: 2GB
    • Storage: 16 GB (integrated) + up to 64 GB hot-swappable uSD
    • Camera: 8 megapixel
    • Battery: 2800 mAh (integrated)
    • Misc.: NFC, micro HDMI out


    I will do some more research as time permits (e.g.: spending some time on Anand Tech, and Tom's Hardware Guide
    NFC on iPhone? I thought Apple clearly has said that they are not going to add NFC to their i-s.
    07-18-13 10:00 AM
  23. Prince Radebe's Avatar
    NFC on iPhone? I thought Apple clearly has said that they are not going to add NFC to their i-s.
    Hence AirPlay. But if they do... its going to be revolutionary.
    07-18-13 11:30 AM
  24. Comatose11's Avatar
    Hence AirPlay. But if they do... its going to be revolutionary.
    Haha totally. NFC will be the new greatest thing if they pick it up!

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    07-18-13 01:42 PM
  25. MisterMe11's Avatar
    Agree, but the guy who started the 'chipset' thread thinks the A10 camera will use a newer chip which offers better low-light performance, so not necessarily 2 years old, but Blackberry needs to get better camera tech in general (maybe more partnership?)

    A10 needs to step up in the camera area. That thing is now two years old.






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    07-18-13 01:46 PM
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