1. mithrazor's Avatar
    In your opinion, would an 800 be better or a Exynos 5 Octa? In terms of price, speed (not on paper) and efficiency.
    Yes because it's been benchmarked against the Galaxy S4 (international version) and it beats that (from what I remember).

    Efficiency, I'm not sure, but Qualcomm is good with processor efficiency.

    Id prefer the Snapdragon 800. Great news if it's true!
    07-14-13 05:12 PM
  2. ofutur's Avatar
    In your opinion, would an 800 be better or a Exynos 5 Octa? In terms of price, speed (not on paper) and efficiency.
    Speed: 800 wins
    Price: Exynos might win if BB is already buying lots of Samsung components, but not sure since they seem to be liking Qualcomm for BB10
    Efficiency: Not my area of expertise. Maybe there are some benchmarks somewhere.

    It also seems that the new hardware is getting 4 microphones (might not be A10 though) and some new sound processing engine to go with it.

    And since 483 seems to be a Verizon OS, it could very well be that Exynos 5 is for Verizon only...
    07-14-13 05:21 PM
  3. GTiLeo's Avatar
    Even a dual a15 will knock android out but won't maintain a lead vs 2014 offerings which if they can afford to, they should go for.

    A z10 on 10.2 is 1k per core on geekbench, an s4 'octa' is 850 which is actually not the android average of 500-750 (nexus 4/htc one).

    If bbry does use an omap 5,(mentioned they won't), or any modern processor it'll be faster than android, however they should go for 4-6 months future proofing to have strong sales for the holidays going into the spring instead of stalling in nov./dec.

    Seeing the facebook home thing, and just how fast .483 is bring new trust to blackberry.

    They know what they're doing,
    where did you get those geekbench numbers from? have you tested the Z10 10.2 beta with geekbench yet?

    i did notice a rather nice increase in scores when i got my update for 10.1 so i could see another increase in 10.2, but to hit 2000 in a test is pushing nexus 4 terretory and thats pretty impressive considerign it uses a chipset released 6 months later
    07-14-13 05:40 PM
  4. GTiLeo's Avatar
    The other explanation could be that this 10.2 branch is for several devices part of the A series. A10 would get some dated Qualcomm processor and next year's devices would get the Exynos 5 octa.
    That would be a huge disappointment...



    My PlayBook? Very useful shower radio and notepad
    what if its for licensing? has anyone considered BBRY is prepping BB10 to be licensed out to lower end manufactures on lower end hardware?
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    07-14-13 05:42 PM
  5. Pete The Penguin's Avatar
    I've been doing some research and I've discovered that 10.2 is being integrated into 4 different firmwares, for 4 different chipsets:
    • Omap 4xxx (PlayBook, Some Z10s)
    • Snapdragon S4 Plus dual-core (Z10, Q10)
    • Snapdragon 800 quad-core
    • Exynos 5

    I originally discarded the dual-core version of Exynos 5 for the A10 because I couldn't find references everywhere and because it seems to have been built for tablets, but maybe there is a new revision on 28nm which is very efficient or BlackBerry thinks the A10 is like a mini tablet.
    The use of that chipset could be the reason there is so much confusion about the cores since:
    • The Exynos 5 Dual has a dual-core CPU with a quad-core GPU.
    • The Exynos 5 Octa has a dual-quad-core

    although I doubt it...
    It seems the SDK being used to work on Exynos 5 is the one for the octa core, but it can probably manage the whole family.

    Also, what I thought to be the S4 pro seems to be just an overclocked S4. There are references to the S4 Pro and the 600 in the code, but I think it's just common code.

    Exynos 5 Dual (5250)
    • CPU: 1.7 GHz Dual-core Cortex-A15
    • GPU: 533Mhz Quad-core Mali-T604
    • Semiconductor tech: 32nm
    • Released: Q3 2012
    • Featured in: Last year's Google Nexus 10, Samsung Chromebook


    Snapdragon 800 (8974)
    • CPU: 2.3 GHz Quad-core Krait 400
    • GPU: 450 Mhz Adreno 330
    • Audio: Hexagon QDSP6 V.5A
    • Semiconductor tech: 28nm
    • Released: Q2 2013
    • To be featured in: Optimus G2, Galaxy Note3, Galaxy S4 LTE-A, Xperia Z Ultra


    Exynos 5 Octa (5410)
    • CPU: 1.61.8 GHz quad-core Cortex-A15 & 1.2-1.4 GHz quad-core Cortex-A7
    • GPU: 533Mhz Tri-core PowerVR SGX544MP3
    • Semiconductor tech: 28nm
    • Released: Q2 2013
    • Featured in: Galaxy S4


    Would an Exynos 5 Dual chipset make you happy?
    From where did you obtain this info? It's been known for at least a year that BlackBerry are picking Qulcomm as their SoC of choice.

    Posted from The Force wielding tap-dancing mouse on secret pantless missions (hiding in Jaydee's backseat)
    07-14-13 05:54 PM
  6. GTiLeo's Avatar
    From where did you obtain this info? It's been known for at least a year that BlackBerry are picking Qulcomm as their SoC of choice.

    Posted from The Force wielding tap-dancing mouse on secret pantless missions (hiding in Jaydee's backseat)
    hidden in the BB10.2 SDK he said.

    the SDK has firmware and drivers for the chipsets being tested
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    07-14-13 05:56 PM
  7. Omnitech's Avatar
    Just like for the Z10 which is a rebadged S3 in terms of internals.

    Hardly. Though it does use several of the same key chips, like dozens of other devices...
    07-14-13 06:18 PM
  8. ofutur's Avatar
    what if its for licensing? has anyone considered BBRY is prepping BB10 to be licensed out to lower end manufactures on lower end hardware?
    Interesting thought
    07-14-13 06:25 PM
  9. ofutur's Avatar
    Hardly. Though it does use several of the same key chips, like dozens of other devices...
    I was refering to this quite in depth analysis:
    Blackberry Z10 Smartphone Teardown : Board & Chip Shots and Images (Mobile Device Teardown)
    07-14-13 06:27 PM
  10. Pete The Penguin's Avatar
    hidden in the BB10.2 SDK he said.

    the SDK has firmware and drivers for the chipsets being tested
    Sweet. Thanks for the heads-up, I scanned it so missed the "SDK" part

    Posted from The Force wielding tap-dancing mouse on secret pantless missions (hiding in Jaydee's backseat)
    07-14-13 06:30 PM
  11. Omnitech's Avatar

    I've seen at least 2 Z10 teardown reports and it's not a "rebadged" anything, unless you're in the habit of calling ie an Apple Cinema Display or an Eizo ColorEdge a "rebadged" LG or Samsung monitor simply because it might have a Samsung or LG panel in it.
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    07-14-13 06:37 PM
  12. GTiLeo's Avatar
    so then i guess the Galaxy S3 is just a repackaged HTC one X then

    just because it uses the sane Snapdragon plus chipset and same ram doesn't make it the same thing. they have different screens, antennas and different cameras
    07-14-13 07:31 PM
  13. ofutur's Avatar
    Fair enough, I misspoke then.
    The S3 and the Z10 shared a lot of internal components.
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    07-14-13 08:01 PM
  14. GTiLeo's Avatar
    just the Snapdragon MSM8960 SoC and thats only with north american LTE versions of both phones, HSPA other markets use a TI OMAP4470 SoC
    07-14-13 09:50 PM
  15. ajst222's Avatar
    I don't get how BlackBerry could release it without a Snapdragon 800
    07-14-13 09:53 PM
  16. GTiLeo's Avatar
    I don't get how BlackBerry could release it without a Snapdragon 800
    they shouldn't thats for sure atleast they shouldn't release it withough a quadcore. they need to attract users with big numbers, they just need to regain an image of beign competative, and since this is supposed to be a consumer gaming phone you would think more power is what they should aim for
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    07-14-13 10:00 PM
  17. Pete The Penguin's Avatar
    just the Snapdragon MSM8960 SoC and thats only with north american LTE versions of both phones, HSPA other markets use a TI OMAP4470 SoC
    It's markets that don't have LTE that get the Z10STL100-1 which has the TI OMAP - all others have the Qulcomm SoC.
    As for the Q10SQN, they all have the Qulcomm SoC.

    Posted from The Force wielding tap-dancing mouse on secret pantless missions (hiding in Jaydee's backseat)
    07-14-13 10:08 PM
  18. ofutur's Avatar
    It's markets that don't have LTE that get the Z10STL100-1 which has the TI OMAP - all others have the Qulcomm SoC.
    As for the Q10SQN, they all have the Qulcomm SoC.

    Posted from The Force wielding tap-dancing mouse on secret pantless missions (hiding in Jaydee's backseat)
    Same for the Q5.
    My only worry is if BlackBerry sees this a camera phone of some sort and just gives it roughly the same internals as the Z10 because it's simply a different series. This is what the rumours about the dual-core and lower clocked quad-core chipsets would suggest. This wouldn't be the flagship device TH was talking about which would come later, with the 800 chipset they're currently testing. I really hope I'm wrong and that BlackBerry will surprise us for once.
    07-14-13 11:34 PM
  19. Omnitech's Avatar
    USB 3.0 would be nice, as well as OTG.

    Especially when you have to move or sync those 899 MB image files created by the 329 megapixel camera.
    07-14-13 11:40 PM
  20. Vurhan's Avatar
    USB 3.0 would be nice, as well as OTG.

    Especially when you have to move or sync those 899 MB image files created by the 329 megapixel camera.
    USB OTG is nice. DSLR, Aristo and African Safari. Oh I can already imagine the funness.

    Railing on, let's say they stuck to Qualcomm and had exynos for benchmarks, it would mean these 3 then, right? :
    Snapdragon S4 Plus Dual
    Snapdragon 800 Quad
    Snapdragon 600 Quad

    And what appears to be traces of S4 Pro Quad?
    07-15-13 02:06 AM
  21. birdman_38's Avatar
    Wouldn't the specs be finalized already?
    07-15-13 02:07 AM
  22. The Me's Avatar
    Wouldn't the specs be finalized already?
    That's the thing with BlackBerry...

    Posted via CB10
    07-15-13 02:17 AM
  23. --TommesJay--'s Avatar
    It also seems that the new hardware is getting 4 microphones (might not be A10 though) and some new sound processing engine to go with it.
    That'd make sense as those were exposed on the A10 spec sheet which leaked last year:

    Attachment 182827

    Via CB10-App
    07-15-13 10:27 AM
  24. Pete The Penguin's Avatar
    Same for the Q5.
    My only worry is if BlackBerry sees this a camera phone of some sort and just gives it roughly the same internals as the Z10 because it's simply a different series. This is what the rumours about the dual-core and lower clocked quad-core chipsets would suggest. This wouldn't be the flagship device TH was talking about which would come later, with the 800 chipset they're currently testing. I really hope I'm wrong and that BlackBerry will surprise us for once.
    Remember, what is a "flagship" to BlackBerry is a mid-tier device to everyone else. If they're going for the SnapDragon 400, it's probably all they can afford.

    Posted from The Force wielding tap-dancing mouse on secret pantless missions (hiding in Jaydee's backseat)
    07-15-13 10:51 AM
  25. ofutur's Avatar
    We've all seen the slide, the first A-series will have a year old chipset in typical BlackBerry fashion.
    The 8960 board must probably be used for both the 8960 and 8960T SoCs and that's why it was difficult to guess if the S4 Pro was really in the race. Now I know why there were GL drivers for both the Adreno 305 (Q5) and the Adreno 320 (X10) .
    Looking forward to the King or the Anisio, whichever gets the Snapdragon 800
    07-15-13 04:44 PM
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