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  1. Asmooh's Avatar
    2x ARM Cortex-A15 Harvard Superscalar processor core, 2x ARM Cortex-M4 Harvard companion processor core, dual channel 532 MHz DDR3 / DDR3L SD RAM memory interface, Image signal processor (20 MP camera support) , TI mini-C64x DSP, 2D/3D graphics acceleration (IVA-HD), PowerVR SGX SGX544-MPx GPU, SmartReflex 3, M-shield, ARM TrustZone, ARM NEON, HDMI 1.4a, 1080p60 video encode/decode, 1080p30 stereoscopic 3D video encode/decode, USB 3.0 OTG



    Edit: OMAP5432


    the unbeatable cpu's for 2012
    1.exynos 5250
    2.OMAP 5432/5430




    the unbeatable gpu's for 2012
    1.PowerVR SGX544MP
    2.arm mali T604/658
    3.Tegra (Wayne) series


    Faster than snapdragon quadcore, makes sense!


    By using the OMAP 5 they can make the A10 cheaper because those snapdragons are expensive to buy.


    It has a dedicated GPU + Dualcore, no need for a quadcore.

    USB OTG, like they planned to, faster memory... who cares about quadcore if you can have a fast dualcore with fast memory and a fast gpu? compare to a fast quadcore with slow mem en slow gpu....




    AND!


    The 5th generation OMAP, OMAP 5 SoC uses a dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 CPU with two additional Cortex-M4 cores to offload the A15s in less computationally intensive tasks to increase power efficiency

    They respectively support 24 and 20 megapixel cameras for front and rear 3D HD video recording. The chip also supports up to 8 GB of dual channel LPDDR2/DDR3 memory, output to four HD 3D displays and 3D HDMI 1.4 video output. OMAP 5 also includes three USB 2.0 ports, one USB 3.0 OTG port and a SATA 2.0 controller.


    so its 'quadcore' but they call it dualcore, it has 2x A15 and 2x M4
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    07-12-13 12:48 PM
  2. anon1727506's Avatar
    Won't matter for me, cause I'm not going to be upgrading that soon.

    But if I were Hardware wise.. I like to know that the hardware would run whatever OS they will have out in the next 3 years. Then I'd like a MUCH better camera, one that works without being on a tripod taking pictures of inanimate objects in full light. And i'd like for my battery to last all day (the Z10 should have come with a larger battery or with a free Charging Bundle).

    That all said... I'm not really sure what having both the Z10 and the A10 does for the platform? They are going to be too close in specs and price. What they SHOULD have done (in my simple opinion) was release the A10 to begin with, and then a Z5 (not that they have one planned) which would have covered a larger segment of the market.

    For the A10 to sell, I think pricing on the Z10 is going to have to come down even further than it already has.
    07-12-13 12:57 PM
  3. Marios199546's Avatar
    Maybe... but are they faster than snapdragons? cuz ti omap from pb was slow


    I see it's krait, so it's a good cpu

    Dual core max 1.7ghz

    532mhz gpu with max 256mb dedicated memory.

    Dm525 arm926


    Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone with 10.2.0.483. [2ABA2B4C]
    OMAP 5 is a dual core ARM Cortex A15 processor at 1.5-1.8 Ghz with a very good GPU. Consider that in the QNX Community forum there is reference for support of this processor.
    Check this foundry27 : View Wiki Page: TexasInstrumentsOMAP5432EVM
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    07-12-13 05:07 PM
  4. mithrazor's Avatar
    I'm not sure about the OMAP A15 dual core. It would be awesome if it had it. Very awesome actually.

    But I heard the A15 cores can use up quite a bit of battery (obviously depending on how processor heavy you're phone is being used).
    07-12-13 09:15 PM
  5. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    BUUUT- the rest of the uniformed will look at the razzle-dazzle - meaning specs. Therefore, for wider acceptance, specs count.
    Consumers aren't necessarily "uninformed" when they simply go out and buy the phone with the best specs for the price.

    When manufacturers give us an inferior spec'ed product for the same price because the OS doesn't "need" the better specs, consumers feel jipped. Why should the manufacturer pocket the entire savings of an efficient OS? Where's our cut? (Conversely, they could just put in the better technology and make the OS really whiz. That could be a selling point for the software makers hard work.)

    A portion of the savings is what any average, informed, reasonable, money savvy consumer would demand. Consumers aren't out to hand corporations money. BBRY (as well as Windows Phone OEMs) can't just cut corners without cutting price.
    07-12-13 09:46 PM
  6. doggy10's Avatar
    I'm gonna switch to Nokia Lomia 1020 if blackberry a10 is coming with same specs as z10

    Posted via CB10
    Guess you haven't read the article posted today in a thread here about the Nokia lumia 1020? Maybe you should read it before buying it.

    BlackBerry for life. Kick'n it with my Z10.
    07-12-13 11:25 PM
  7. ofutur's Avatar
    Forget Omap5, the 4 platforms they're testing 10.2 on are:
    Omap 4
    8960
    8974
    Exynos 5

    10.2 also has libraries for 8930 (Dual-core SnapDragon 300), but I don't think they can test it with a 8974 dev kit.
    Last edited by ofutur; 07-13-13 at 01:58 PM.
    07-13-13 10:01 AM
  8. mithrazor's Avatar
    Forget Omap5 and Exynos, the 3 platforms they're testing 10.2 on are:
    Omap 4
    8960
    8974

    10.2 also has libraries for 8930 (Dual-core SnapDragon 300), but I don't think they can test it with a 8974 dev kit.
    How do you know they're testing it on the 8974? Because if so, that's great news.

    Because Snapdragon 600 lacks certain features that a flagship 5" smartphone should have. USB 3.0, integrated LTE chip. Knowing BlackBerry, they'd rather want a integrated LTE chip. But they also want to save money.

    I'm really hoping for Snapdragon 800.
    07-13-13 01:04 PM
  9. kbz1960's Avatar
    Hey, but real BlackBerry Freaks don't just look at specs... it's the OS that we love most! or am I wrong?

    Don't get me wrong.. I want a A10 with Monster specs too but I would never switch to a Windows phone or Android...

    What I would do is.. to switch to iPhone IF BlackBerry dies!!!

    Posted via CB10
    That's fine for BBRY fans but doesn't fly with those who are not. Thor's statement about it's the experience not the specs also is fine for fans but not for those that are not.
    07-13-13 01:22 PM
  10. ofutur's Avatar
    How do you know they're testing it on the 8974? Because if so, that's great news.
    Because they have a SVN branch with 10.2 code in it to build a firmware which works on the Snapdragon 800:

    But it turns out my original post was correct and the comment I've just made was wrong... If Kris is correct, then the A10 is getting an Exynos5 chipset
    07-13-13 01:57 PM
  11. Asmooh's Avatar
    Because they have a SVN branch with 10.2 code in it to build a firmware which works on the Snapdragon 800:

    But it turns out my original post was correct and the comment I've just made was wrong... If Kris is correct, then the A10 is getting an Exynos5 chipset
    Also the cpu?


    Looks like a close deal with Samsung, maybe start using Samsung parts?

    S4 screen, cpu, mem?

    Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone with 10.2.0.483 from Sweden. [2ABA2B4C]
    07-13-13 02:39 PM
  12. ofutur's Avatar
    I originally discarded the dual-core version of Exynos 5 for the A10 because I couldn't find references everywhere and because it seems to have been built for tablets, but maybe there is a new revision on 28nm which is very efficient or BlackBerry thinks the A10 is like a mini tablet.
    The use of that chipset could be the reason there is so much confusion about the cores since:
    • The Exynos 5 Dual has a dual-core CPU with a quad-core GPU.
    • The Exynos 5 Octa has a dual-quad-core

    although I doubt it...
    It seems the SDK being used to work on Exynos 5 is the one for the octa core, but it can probably manage the whole family.

    Also, what I thought to be the S4 pro seems to be just an overclocked S4. There are references to the S4 Pro and the 600 in the code, but I think it's just common code. We need a new 10.2 release to investigate further...

    I've updated my original post.

    Looks like a close deal with Samsung, maybe start using Samsung parts?
    Just like for the Z10 which is a rebadged S3 in terms of internals.

    Obviously, the Exynos 5 Octa or S800 would place the A10 as a flagship device, but maybe it's too soon (since everybody talks about dual-core) and that will be next year's device.
    What we know so far is that BB starts a series with the high-end and uses the number 10. Using the Exynos 5 Dual would be a typical BlackBerry move in terms of trailing behind, but it would still be a pretty good mid-range device sold at a premium.
    07-13-13 03:51 PM
  13. Kris Simundson's Avatar
    I would personally like to see the 800 snapdragon

    Posted via CB10
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    07-13-13 04:10 PM
  14. ofutur's Avatar
    I would personally like to see the 800 snapdragon

    Posted via CB10
    Me too, but it's not in 483, so...
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    07-13-13 04:21 PM
  15. mithrazor's Avatar
    Me too, but it's not in 483, so...
    Didn't you say it was? Since they're testing for the MSM8974. Or it's a possibility but they're testing on the Snapdragon 400?
    07-13-13 05:28 PM
  16. The Me's Avatar
    Me too, but it's not in 483, so...
    Yeah, it's in your OP.

    Also, I would like the SD800, but would rather the Exynos 5 Octa.
    07-13-13 05:49 PM
  17. Vurhan's Avatar
    So what you're saying is that BBRY only worked on the Aristo starting from 10.2 SDKs? Or Exynos only appeared since 10.2? 10.1 had S4 Pro/800 references in it?
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    07-13-13 06:12 PM
  18. ofutur's Avatar
    Didn't you say it was? Since they're testing for the MSM8974. Or it's a possibility but they're testing on the Snapdragon 400?
    Since then, Kris has made a statement about 10.2.0.483 being for the A10 and that version is very different from the developer beta. The only mentions of the 800 is for some drivers and the PCB "controller". Same for the 400 (8930).
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    07-13-13 06:24 PM
  19. ofutur's Avatar
    So what you're saying is that BBRY only worked on the Aristo starting from 10.2 SDKs? Or Exynos only appeared since 10.2? 10.1 had S4 Pro/800 references in it?
    In 10.1 you only have the current chipsets used in Z10, Q10 and Q5. With 10.2, they started to include new hardware (Exynos 5, Snapdragon 800), but it's difficult to know which series they're for. If Kris is correct and I'm not being thrown off by dead code, it looks like the A10 is getting an Exynos 5.
    07-13-13 06:28 PM
  20. The Me's Avatar
    In 10.1 you only have the current chipsets used in Z10, Q10 and Q5. With 10.2, they started to include new hardware (Exynos 5, Snapdragon 800), but it's difficult to know which series they're for. If Kris is correct and I'm not being thrown off by dead code, it looks like the A10 is getting an Exynos 5.
    Dual or Octal? If you say Octal, this means BlackBerry really changed and all the android monkeys will be thinking of the now super powerful Aristo as a monster since it's so much lighter than android.

    Posted via CB10
    07-14-13 11:19 AM
  21. Punjabi84's Avatar
    Even a dual a15 will knock android out but won't maintain a lead vs 2014 offerings which if they can afford to, they should go for.

    A z10 on 10.2 is 1k per core on geekbench, an s4 'octa' is 850 which is actually not the android average of 500-750 (nexus 4/htc one).

    If bbry does use an omap 5,(mentioned they won't), or any modern processor it'll be faster than android, however they should go for 4-6 months future proofing to have strong sales for the holidays going into the spring instead of stalling in nov./dec.

    Seeing the facebook home thing, and just how fast .483 is bring new trust to blackberry.

    They know what they're doing,
    07-14-13 11:30 AM
  22. ofutur's Avatar
    The other explanation could be that this 10.2 branch is for several devices part of the A series. A10 would get some dated Qualcomm processor and next year's devices would get the Exynos 5 octa.
    That would be a huge disappointment...



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    07-14-13 12:24 PM
  23. Vurhan's Avatar
    The other explanation could be that this 10.2 branch is for several devices part of the A series. A10 would get some dated Qualcomm processor and next year's devices would get the Exynos 5 octa.
    That would be a huge disappointment...



    My PlayBook? Very useful shower radio and notepad
    Well, BB did dumped TI and went Qualcomm. Not sure who apart from their creators are utilizing Exynoses, but either way, as long as its quad, should be okay. Might even be the fragmenting of frequency bands, forcing the adoption of QC as well as Exynos chipsets within the same STA ( or whatever it will be ) line, but that would only likely happen if BBRY started with Exynos since QC's is pretty much complete.
    07-14-13 01:00 PM
  24. ofutur's Avatar
    Found some more information in a more recent release...

    • BlackBerry seems to be going through certification with a Snapdragon 800 device using 2 different radios
    • I can't find a radio for the Exynos chipset.
    • They have a new dual-core Marvell chipset for the Chinese market
    • Some model numbers can now be matched to code names


    EDIT: The Snapdragon 400 chipset is for the Q5...
    Last edited by ofutur; 07-14-13 at 07:56 PM.
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    07-14-13 04:19 PM
  25. The Me's Avatar
    Found some more information in a more recent release...

    • BlackBerry seems to be going through certification with a Snapdragon 800 device using 2 different radios
    • They have a radio for the Snapdragon 400 (S4 Plus), but no OS image that I could find. Could be a radio for a specific market.
    • I can't find a radio for the Exynos chipset.
    • They have a new dual-core Marvell chipset for the Chinese market
    • Some model numbers can now be matched to code names
    In your opinion, would an 800 be better or a Exynos 5 Octa? In terms of price, speed (not on paper) and efficiency.
    07-14-13 04:41 PM
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