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  1. ofutur's Avatar
    I've been doing some research and I've discovered that 10.2 is being integrated into quite a few different firmwares made for several different chipsets:
    • Omap 4xxx (PlayBook, Z10-1)
    • Snapdragon S4 Plus (8960) dual-core (Z10, Q10)
    • Snapdragon 400 (8630) dual-core (Q5)
    • Snapdragon 600 light (8960AB) dual-core (Aristo)
    • Snapdragon 800 (8974) quad-core (Probably King)
    • Samsung Exynos 5 (5410) quad-core (Samsung Galaxy Pro 2014)
    • Marvel PXA988 (Chinese Q5?)

    Let's take a look at potential candidates for the A10

    Update: I'm keeping the chipsets for reference as it seems we now know what BB went for.

    The Exynos 5 family
    Exynos 5 Dual (5250)
    • CPU: 1.7 GHz dual-core Cortex-A15
    • GPU: 533Mhz quad-core Mali-T604
    • Semiconductor tech: 32nm
    • Sampling: Q3 2012
    • Featured in: Last year's Google Nexus 10, Samsung Chromebook

    I originally discarded the dual-core version of Exynos 5 for the A10 because I couldn't find references everywhere and because it seems to have been built for tablets, but maybe there is a new revision on 28nm which is very efficient or BlackBerry is testing that chipset for certain carriers only.
    This would be OK for a mid-range device. Would still be an upgrade compared to the Z10.

    Exynos 5 Octa (5410)
    • CPU: 1.6–1.8 GHz quad-core Cortex-A15 & 1.2-1.4 GHz quad-core Cortex-A7
    • GPU: 533Mhz tri-core PowerVR SGX544MP3
    • Semiconductor tech: 28nm
    • Sampling: Q2 2013
    • Featured in: Galaxy S4

    This would be a very good choice for a device being released in Q3 as it would still be relatively competitive, until the competition releases their Q4 devices.

    The use of that chipset could also be the reason there is so much confusion about the cores since:
    • The Exynos 5 Dual has a dual-core CPU with a quad-core GPU.
    • The Exynos 5 Octa has a dual-quad-core

    although I doubt it...
    It seems the SDK being used to work on Exynos 5 is the one for the octa core, but it can probably manage the whole family.

    The Snapdragon family
    Snapdragon 800 (8974)
    • CPU: 2.3 GHz quad-core Krait 400
    • GPU: 450 Mhz quad-core Adreno 330
    • Audio: Hexagon QDSP6 V.5A
    • Semiconductor tech: 28nm
    • Sampling: Q2 2013
    • To be featured in: Optimus G2, Galaxy Note3, Galaxy S4 LTE-A, Xperia Z Ultra

    This would be the best choice for a flagship device and from what I've seen, BlackBerry is testing devices based on this chipset, but will it be in the A10 or in the next one from the L series?

    Snapdragon 600 Light (8960AB)
    • CPU: 1.7 GHz dual-core Krait 300
    • GPU: 400 Mhz quad-core Adreno 320
    • Semiconductor tech: 28nm
    • Sampling: Probably early 2013
    • Featured in: Probably the Moto X

    That's probably what they went for. Not too bad if they can manage to get Galaxy S4 type performance with only a dual-core. This would be top of the line in terms of performance until devices with the Snapdragon 800 get released.

    Snapdragon S4 Pro (8960T)
    • CPU: 1.7 GHz Dual-core Krait 0
    • GPU: 400 Mhz Adreno 320
    • Semiconductor tech: 28nm
    • Sampling: Q2 2012
    • Featured in: Last year's Optimus G, Nokia Lumia 920T

    Last year's top dual-core chip. Still a top graphics engine for the 1st half of 2013, but outdated CPU.

    So...Would an Exynos 5 Dual chipset have made you happy? Do you think BlackBerry will go quad-core this year?
    Last edited by ofutur; 07-17-13 at 10:08 AM.
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  2. GTiLeo's Avatar
    i guess i'm sticking with my Z10
    07-11-13 09:28 PM
  3. troy lee's Avatar
    I'm gonna switch to Nokia Lomia 1020 if blackberry a10 is coming with same specs as z10

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    07-11-13 09:31 PM
  4. mithrazor's Avatar
    800 is supposed to end up in devices 2nd half of 2013. I'm hoping a Snapdragon 800.

    I have a feeling BB might go with 600 though. Hopefully not. I'd like all the power I can get.
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    07-11-13 10:53 PM
  5. JBML007's Avatar
    Id be happy with the 600 quad core!

    Z10in' since the Beginnin'
    07-11-13 11:07 PM
  6. szlevi's Avatar
    As long as it's quad-core most people won't care but the newer the platform the less it consumes so the longer the battery lasts but it's a mott point...

    ...because if it indeed won't be 1080p then other than people already eyeballing the Z10 nobody's going to f'n buy it anyway.
    Releasing with the same resolution would be the biggest f'n idiotic thing BB can do, a true royal ****up, a waste of money and time, only to compete with itself, for sure.

    You want to see where the industry is right now? Look at S4 (crazy sensors), Xperia Z (dust and hit-resistant, completely submersible, you can even record a video underwater, IN HDR!), HTC with its photo apps, doing not only TimeShift but a lot of other stuff too.
    You want to see where they were a year ago? Look at Blackberry.

    Yes, Hub is great, it's working smooth etc - but it won't get past the spec-comparing first filter common people and sales guys apply in stores, end of story.

    And if they won't fix the current awful state of Android support then Sony Xperia Z Ultra, 6.4" 210g, 6mm and 3000mAh battery w/ underwater HDR video etc, here I come.
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    07-11-13 11:40 PM
  7. Taigatrommel's Avatar
    I'm gonna switch to Nokia Lomia 1020 if blackberry a10 is coming with same specs as z10

    Posted via CB10
    As if the Lumia 1020 would have better specs. It uses the same SoC released with the Lumia 920, which is from late 2012. The screen resolution is also the same with 1280x768. Nokia only bumped the RAM to 2 GB. If it weren't for the great camera, the Lumia 1020 would be rather mediocre. Don't get me wrong, the 1020 seems to be a great phone and if I first wouldn't just have bought the Q10 and second would want a physical keyboard, I'd get a 1020 without a second thought.

    But to boycot Blackberry due to lack of specs and buying a similar specced Windows Phone instead sound kinda odd. If you would've said you'll get one of the next gen of upcoming Android devices, I could understand you. However this is simply odd.
    Yet it shows one thing: Even though all the Lumias had, compared to Android devices, lower specs, Nokia managed to give them a face and a reputation with their camera and their design. BlackBerry offers mediocre specs and...? Security? Productivity? I am not sure how well the audience accepts this.

    Posted via the awesome Blackberry Q10
    07-12-13 12:50 AM
  8. BergerKing's Avatar
    Fixed the title for you to reflect the right information.
    07-12-13 12:54 AM
  9. BBThemes's Avatar
    I'm gonna switch to Nokia Lomia 1020 if blackberry a10 is coming with same specs as z10

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    the only advantage spec wise of the lumia would be the camera, the rest is very Z10 spec.

    However I totally agree that IF (still an unknown lets not forget) the spec is dual core for the A10 then theres no real reason anyone would go for it over the Z10.
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    07-12-13 01:19 AM
  10. BergerKing's Avatar
    07-12-13 01:28 AM
  11. BergerKing's Avatar
    S4 Pro (MSM8960T)
    • CPU: 1.7 GHz Dual-core Krait
    • GPU: 400 Mhz Adreno 320
    • Released: Q2 2012


    Snapdragon 800 (8974)
    • CPU: 2.3 GHz Quad-core Krait 400
    • GPU: 450 Mhz Adreno 330
    • Released: Q2 2013

    Which one do you think they will pick for the A10? I suspect the 800 chipset is for their next flagship and that we'll see a Z10+ this year.

    I was wrong about the Exynos 5...
    If they have any plans to move forward, wisdom says that the 800 would be the wise move. That chip is more fuel-efficient with the power approaching a mid-level desktop performance. Sounds like a winner to me.
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    07-12-13 01:32 AM
  12. Siya10's Avatar
    I'm gonna switch to Nokia Lomia 1020 if blackberry a10 is coming with same specs as z10

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    Lol. Go ahead...! WP8 sucks so bad! haha

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    07-12-13 02:23 AM
  13. Siya10's Avatar
    Hey, but real BlackBerry Freaks don't just look at specs... it's the OS that we love most! or am I wrong?

    Don't get me wrong.. I want a A10 with Monster specs too but I would never switch to a Windows phone or Android...

    What I would do is.. to switch to iPhone IF BlackBerry dies!!!

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    07-12-13 02:28 AM
  14. Siya10's Avatar
    *Or: Ubuntu

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    07-12-13 02:29 AM
  15. letmein13's Avatar
    800 is supposed to end up in devices 2nd half of 2013. I'm hoping a Snapdragon 800.
    I want this for this Christmas. A10 definitely looks good with Snapdragon 800. Why can't BB make this year the year of a dragon?
    07-12-13 02:33 AM
  16. jeffydude05's Avatar
    Hopefully it is the Snapdragon 800, but knowing Blackberry it will probably be the 600. I think that would be a mistake, especially with the phones it will be competing with around its release date. iPhone 5s, Note 3, new Windows phone, Android KLP.
    07-12-13 02:41 AM
  17. Taigatrommel's Avatar
    Hey, but real BlackBerry Freaks don't just look at specs... it's the OS that we love most! or am I wrong?
    Sure, most "real" BlackBerry freaks won't care too much about specs as long as it performs well. An A10 would still perform well even if it would have similar internals as the Z10. However as one can see from the current sales, pure "real" BlackBerry freaks aren't enough to keep the show on the road. In the end the Aristo will be released with a high-end pricetag of 500+$, where it will have to compete with other high-end phones which offer much more decent specs.

    So you need something to justify the price, simple as is. As already said Nokia also won't engage a "spec war", instead they promote their great cameras, good design, durability and screens. Obviously this strategy slowly begins to work, because looking at pure specs, none of their Lumias ever actually impressed.
    BlackBerry needs to find a similar way if they don't want to engage the competition spec-wise. What is that premium price for you have to pay for a BB10 device? What are the advantages the phone offers, even though the internal hardware is not as powerful?

    Posted via the awesome Blackberry Q10
    07-12-13 03:05 AM
  18. ofutur's Avatar
    If they have any plans to move forward, wisdom says that the 800 would be the wise move. That chip is more fuel-efficient with the power approaching a mid-level desktop performance. Sounds like a winner to me.
    Yep and most of the top-end devices of the end of the year will have it.
    (Thanks for fixing the title, seems we can't do it ourselves)
    07-12-13 06:53 AM
  19. ofutur's Avatar
    Hopefully it is the Snapdragon 800, but knowing Blackberry it will probably be the 600. I think that would be a mistake, especially with the phones it will be competing with around its release date. iPhone 5s, Note 3, new Windows phone, Android KLP.
    The thing is, they don't seem to be testing the 600, so if the 800 is for next year, then the Aristo wouldn't really be a high-end device.
    07-12-13 06:56 AM
  20. lnichols's Avatar
    Its a big Z10, with a nicer processor and inferior screen technology and pixel density. YAWN! Looks like my Z10 won't be made obsolete with the A10 thankfully. It will probably be same internals as GS4 or Note3, just like the Z10 is almost the same internals as the GS3. Apple is the only one doing anything different right now because they basically are spec'ing their own chips and having them manufactured just for them, and with TI dropping out for a lot of things, its is basically figure out ways to make Qualcomm chips work right now in the US.
    07-12-13 10:53 AM
  21. Asmooh's Avatar
    Z10+, A10 with 800 or 600 is nice yes

    Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone with 10.2.0.483. [2ABA2B4C]
    07-12-13 11:12 AM
  22. Powdah's Avatar
    Sure, most "real" BlackBerry freaks won't care too much about specs as long as it performs well. An A10 would still perform well even if it would have similar internals as the Z10. However as one can see from the current sales, pure "real" BlackBerry freaks aren't enough to keep the show on the road. In the end the Aristo will be released with a high-end pricetag of 500+$, where it will have to compete with other high-end phones which offer much more decent specs.

    So you need something to justify the price, simple as is. As already said Nokia also won't engage a "spec war", instead they promote their great cameras, good design, durability and screens. Obviously this strategy slowly begins to work, because looking at pure specs, none of their Lumias ever actually impressed.
    BlackBerry needs to find a similar way if they don't want to engage the competition spec-wise. What is that premium price for you have to pay for a BB10 device? What are the advantages the phone offers, even though the internal hardware is not as powerful?

    Posted via the awesome Blackberry Q10
    BUUUT- the rest of the uniformed will look at the razzle-dazzle - meaning specs. Therefore, for wider acceptance, specs count.
    07-12-13 11:52 AM
  23. Marios199546's Avatar
    Blackberry Maybe use an OMAP 5 ΓΙΑ processor for Aristo
    07-12-13 12:21 PM
  24. MasterOfBinary's Avatar
    800 is supposed to end up in devices 2nd half of 2013. I'm hoping a Snapdragon 800.

    I have a feeling BB might go with 600 though. Hopefully not. I'd like all the power I can get.
    While we're dreaming, I hope they stick in an AMD Temash APU. That would be sick.

    But I'm guessing it's going to be something a year old, judging from their track record.
    07-12-13 12:34 PM
  25. Asmooh's Avatar
    Blackberry Maybe use an OMAP 5 ΓΙΑ processor for Aristo
    Maybe... but are they faster than snapdragons? cuz ti omap from pb was slow


    I see it's krait, so it's a good cpu

    Dual core max 1.7ghz

    532mhz gpu with max 256mb dedicated memory.

    Dm525 arm926


    Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone with 10.2.0.483. [2ABA2B4C]
    07-12-13 12:36 PM
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