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  1. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Lol ... WTF did I just read.... not talking about the op, but some people that really think that benchmarks would somehow be objective...
    90% of people believe in somehow weird statistics made by people who want to underline that their opinion is the only right one.
    I thought it was appropriate, with the thread title and all

    Posted via CB10
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    11-06-13 10:05 AM
  2. undone's Avatar
    Lol ... WTF did I just read.... not talking about the op, but some people that really think that benchmarks would somehow be objective...
    90% of people believe in somehow weird statistics made by people who want to underline that their opinion is the only right one.
    Benchmarks is the greatest way to show how Crazy people are....computers, cars, mobile devices...its endless craziness.
    Jiggy1971 likes this.
    11-06-13 10:24 AM
  3. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    CRAZY buying in at $8.

    Buying today is not so CRAZY as long as it is a short term "investment". Q3 results will bring it back down.

    Thinking the PlayBook is still a relevant device is CRAZY. There are much better devices on the market today that are more powerful, have SD capabilities and are capable of running 4.0 Android apps that the PlayBook never will.
    11-06-13 10:32 AM
  4. M65c02's Avatar
    Crazy and Nutz!!

    Hey, I'll sell you all the shares that you want for $7 and change (and I'll throw in a few Playbooks).

    Go to the Casinos, they'll throw in a free drink. (LOL)

    [Note: The crowds become much tougher since March.]
    Taede likes this.
    11-06-13 12:11 PM
  5. 8820man's Avatar
    I have been told by AT&T the Z30 will be available very soon. I do not mean to spread misinformation, but very soon. We shall see indeed. By the way, I really hope it's NOT misinformation!!!!
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    11-06-13 12:19 PM
  6. Berry-cracked-up's Avatar
    Hmmm, I guess my 2cents to this thread is....why would Blackberry need to get a faster chip, quad core or more memory? Why would they need this if using lower end specs gives the same results? If the OS is optimized accordingly, it is pointless to put HUGE specs, increasing cost of the phone, when it doesn't need it. I don't get why people get so hung up on the specs war. That's why apple for many years didn't publish what they had in their iphones. It wasn't necessarry. Android needs the specs, because that's the only way the OS can keep up with Apple and Blackberry. It's pretty smart of them too....they figured out that if they show they have the best specs, their phones will sell, which they are. I think they sell more then apple does if I'm not mistaken. But that's how they get you...they add a ton of specs, making the phone look superior, but in reality, it doesn't. If an OS can run just as good (or arguably better) with half the specs, than why would you want to put higher specs in your devices? Makes no sense. As for the cost....well, it costs good money for good engineers to build a quality OS that doesn't need high specs to run it. So on one hand, Blackberry has a much more superior OS, but less specs....Android has inferior OS, but higher specs. Seems to even out to me, which is why they both cost similar prices.

    That's my 2 cents....feel free to ask for change if you're not happy with my comments. Then again, I'm not one to care to much about that. I pick a phone based on what it does for me, not based on specs. I want quality and good functionality and I want it to be efficient. That is what BB10 has. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for Android. Awesome that it as great specs though!
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    11-06-13 12:32 PM
  7. Rickroller's Avatar
    Hmmm, I guess my 2cents to this thread is....why would Blackberry need to get a faster chip, quad core or more memory? Why would they need this if using lower end specs gives the same results? If the OS is optimized accordingly, it is pointless to put HUGE specs
    Why do specs matter? Ask Playbook owners who were all eagerly awaiting their update to BB10 lol. When the PB was originally announced (remember..almost a full year before they actually got it to shelves) it's 1 GB of RAM actually was ahead of the competition. However, because it took another 10 months to get it to the public, by then, everything else was running 2GB. Of course, we all heard the " Who needs more specs, this thing is amazing" arguments thrown around by the diehards at the time. I would wager a fairly large chunk of money, that those people who were so desperately wanting BB10 on the PB were surely wishing their PB had come with the 2GB of RAM that was needed to run the BB10 OS (which was also touted to be the most efficient OS on the planet, yet needs 2 GB to run properly lol).

    Or you could ask Z10 owners who were waiting for Miracast functionality..but they too, sadly, were disappointed when the Z10 "specs" weren't capable of it. There is actually a long list of "disappointments" from BBRY throughout it's history due to the fact that it STILL can't seem to compete with these so-called useless specs.
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    11-06-13 01:02 PM
  8. Saiga's Avatar
    Your a funny guy. Needing better specs just to be barely as smooth as iPhone or blackberry 10 would not be considered a better phone. Not to mention the battery drain due to the high spec components just isn't worth it.

    Owner of z30, z10, q10, iPhone 4 and 5, sony xperia z1
    As was already mentioned, you're wrong on both points. It is like you opened up a tech magazine from 2010 and read about the cons of Android before you posted that comment.

    Here in 2013, we have Android phones with higher spec components that actually have better battery life than the same phone with lower spec components. See this link for proof of that: 모니터&모바일 - SAMSUNG GALAXY S4 LTE-A(SHV-E330) 배터리 테스트

    That website used $10,000 worth of lab equipment to calibrate and test two Samsung Galaxy S4s. One with a Snapdragon 800 and the other with a Snapdragon 600. Everything else was exactly the same including battery capacity, software and screen brightness levels. They are the exact same phone except for the processor. Read the results for yourself if you want, but their independent tests proved that the Snapdragon 800-powered phone has 25% more battery life over the slower phone.

    Your other point about Android requiring higher specs just to be barely as smooth as a iPhone or BlackBerry 10 is just simply laughably wrong.


    That is a video of the Samsung Nexus S running Android 4.3 Jelly Bean. Now, let's keep in mind, that phone is 3 years old. It has a 1GHz single core processor and only 512mb of RAM, yet it is running Android 4.3. The best part? That phone will actually run the next version of Android even better than it was running Android 4.3, because Android 4.4 was designed to run on the 3 year old hardware found on phones such as the Nexus s.

    How well do you think BlackBerry 10 would run on the Nexus S hardware? Ok, that was a trick question, since as we all know, BB10 requires at least a dual-core processor and 2GB of RAM to even function. A BlackBerry 10 device with the hardware from the Nexus S wouldn't be able to run at all.

    Welcome to 2013!
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    11-06-13 01:13 PM
  9. playbookster's Avatar
    As was already mentioned, you're wrong on both points. It is like you opened up a tech magazine from 2010 and read about the cons of Android before you posted that comment.

    Here in 2013, we have Android phones with higher spec components that actually have better battery life than the same phone with lower spec components. See this link for proof of that: 모니터&모바일 - SAMSUNG GALAXY S4 LTE-A(SHV-E330) 배터리 테스트

    That website used $10,000 worth of lab equipment to calibrate and test two Samsung Galaxy S4s. One with a Snapdragon 800 and the other with a Snapdragon 600. Everything else was exactly the same including battery capacity, software and screen brightness levels. They are the exact same phone except for the processor. Read the results for yourself if you want, but their independent tests proved that the Snapdragon 800-powered phone has 25% more battery life over the slower phone.

    Your other point about Android requiring higher specs just to be barely as smooth as a iPhone or BlackBerry 10 is just simply laughably wrong.


    That is a video of the Samsung Nexus S running Android 4.3 Jelly Bean. Now, let's keep in mind, that phone is 3 years old. It has a 1GHz single core processor and only 512mb of RAM, yet it is running Android 4.3. The best part? That phone will actually run the next version of Android even better than it was running Android 4.3, because Android 4.4 was designed to run on the 3 year old hardware found on phones such as the Nexus s.

    How well do you think BlackBerry 10 would run on the Nexus S hardware? Ok, that was a trick question, since as we all know, BB10 requires at least a dual-core processor and 2GB of RAM to even function. A BlackBerry 10 device with the hardware from the Nexus S wouldn't be able to run at all.

    Welcome to 2013!
    Now you know what it's like for BlackBerry users. When the average non techy person talks about blackberry they are always talking about phones from 2011, laggy, slow, outdated phones. We all live in our little bubbles.

    Posted from my Z30
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    11-06-13 01:29 PM
  10. BBZ10wannabe's Avatar
    Will the Z30 compliment my PlayBook or will it replace it? I will keep you posted.
    I think it will. I too have a playbook but given that I can't sideload Netflix on it, I use my Z10 and HDMI port for that. Too bad because it would have been nice to plug my Playbook into the TV and use my Z10 as the remote. No such luck. Can I do it the other way around? A reverse bridge? Not that I've heard so far. I suspect with the graphics quality and horsepower and the ability to load Crackle and Netflix you'll soon forget about your Playbook as I pretty much have. I hope you love your Z30 as my Z10 has me locked into a contract for a little while yet..
    11-06-13 01:32 PM
  11. Blacklatino's Avatar
    11-06-13 01:38 PM
  12. Saiga's Avatar
    Now you know what it's like for BlackBerry users. When the average non techy person talks about blackberry they are always talking about phones from 2011, laggy, slow, outdated phones. We all live in our little bubbles.

    Posted from my Z30
    That really is the case with some people. I correct haters that say BlackBerry needs a battery pull everyday just to work, that they lag and that the screens are tiny the same as I do when people act like Android is still on Donut. At the end of the day, it's all misinformation.
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    11-06-13 01:40 PM
  13. Berry-cracked-up's Avatar
    Why do specs matter? Ask Playbook owners who were all eagerly awaiting their update to BB10 lol. When the PB was originally announced (remember..almost a full year before they actually got it to shelves) it's 1 GB of RAM actually was ahead of the competition. However, because it took another 10 months to get it to the public, by then, everything else was running 2GB. Of course, we all heard the " Who needs more specs, this thing is amazing" arguments thrown around by the diehards at the time. I would wager a fairly large chunk of money, that those people who were so desperately wanting BB10 on the PB were surely wishing their PB had come with the 2GB of RAM that was needed to run the BB10 OS (which was also touted to be the most efficient OS on the planet, yet needs 2 GB to run properly lol).

    Or you could ask Z10 owners who were waiting for Miracast functionality..but they too, sadly, were disappointed when the Z10 "specs" weren't capable of it. There is actually a long list of "disappointments" from BBRY throughout it's history due to the fact that it STILL can't seem to compete with these so-called useless specs.
    So lets talk about what you just said regarding the Playbook, and compare it to other companies. Let me ask you a hypothetical question....let say you bought the first ipad. You loved it, and thought it was great. Few years later, Apple releases iOS7. Guess what? The specs on the ipad can't handle it, so you need to buy the newer ipad. So lets look at the playbook. It was released with the original version of BB10. Brand new OS. A couple years later, they take that brand new OS and release the Z10, Q10, Z30 etc.. But now it's significantly bigger and better. But guess what, it doesn't work on the playbook. The only difference is, Blackberry decided to kill the playbook. What Apple has done every year, is put out another ipad. So yes, specs need to get better as the OS gets bigger and better, but my point is that what other companies are doing, are releasing new devices, because their original devices can't handle it. That's what they did with the Z10, Z30...they had to put out better specs for those devices to accomodate the newest version of BB10. If they were to continue with the Playbook, they would have put out a new device to handle it. Doesn't mean it needs to be the biggest and best specs, but enough to accomodate the OS that would come with it. You're jumping between 2 different subjects. We were talking about the Z30 specs....and how in your opinion, are not good enough. They are perfect for what the Z30 needs. If they were to continue with tablets, they would have put out a new tablet, with appropriate specs. The specs for the playbook was fine at the time. Everyone does the same....once a new, bigger, better OS comes out, they come out with bigger and better devices, as the older device can't handle it. Apple does it, Samsung does it. So why is it a problem that Blackberry does it too?
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    11-06-13 01:46 PM
  14. Rickroller's Avatar
    You're jumping between 2 different subjects. We were talking about the Z30 specs....and how in your opinion, are not good enough.
    Actually, I never said anything about the Z30, you're just implying I did. You ranted about specs and asked why they mattered. I simply pointed to some very obvious reasons as to why they do. It's calledfuture proofing a device, so that no matter what, the device you purchased can still run things in a few years. This is why iPhone's 3 years old can still run the latest software, as can older Androids. Can the hardware from the Bold 9900 from 2012 run the latest and greatest software? No, because the hardware was a joke.

    Bottom line is, specs (not to be confused with "benchmarks" *cough* Playbookster *cough*) matter.
    11-06-13 02:33 PM
  15. FastLane228's Avatar
    how's it going crazy, I tend to get that way when I'm off my medication
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    11-06-13 02:38 PM
  16. Toddboy71's Avatar
    Actually, I never said anything about the Z30, you're just implying I did. You ranted about specs and asked why they mattered. I simply pointed to some very obvious reasons as to why they do. It's calledfuture proofing a device, so that no matter what, the device you purchased can still run things in a few years. This is why iPhone's 3 years old can still run the latest software, as can older Androids. Can the hardware from the Bold 9900 from 2012 run the latest and greatest software? No, because the hardware was a joke.

    Bottom line is, specs (not to be confused with "benchmarks" *cough* Playbookster *cough*) matter.
    9900 was 2011. Say what you will about blackberry's sordid past (and I do frequently. There's an awful gap there), with the release of bb10 devices they will be much more future proofed. The specs on todays devices will be just fine on newer versions of qnx. Have you run ios7 on some of these older devices? There is a distinct difference between be able to run, and being able to run worth a crap. The only reason my Dad just bought a 5s. Just because you can doesn't necessarily mean you should.

    Z10STL100-4/10.2.0.1791, waiting on VZW Z30
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    11-06-13 02:49 PM
  17. rockivy's Avatar
    Can you explain why the benchmark scores are so varied? From 2100 to 3700? It's all over the place. Also I never saw your reply so your attitude really wasn't necessary. I couldn't even get through reading your post, learn how to talk to people with respect.

    Posted from my Z30
    Don't you remember many tried in those other threads and weren't successful why would that be different here, he doesn't understand respect, therefore he won't get any from me simple as that. Engage me in a thoughtful rational conversation and I will gladly join in and defend my points while listening to the other side, berate, ridicule and name call and you get ignored as immature and infantile simple as that.



    Posted by the Zed 30 of rockivy
    11-06-13 02:57 PM
  18. Saiga's Avatar
    9900 was 2011. Say what you will about blackberry's sordid past (and I do frequently. There's an awful gap there), with the release of bb10 devices they will be much more future proofed. The specs on todays devices will be just fine on newer versions of qnx. Have you run ios7 on some of these older devices? There is a distinct difference between be able to run, and being able to run worth a crap. The only reason my Dad just bought a 5s. Just because you can doesn't necessarily mean you should.

    Z10STL100-4/10.2.0.1791, waiting on VZW Z30
    Right, you must not be paying attention. If you had, you would have realized that the Z10, Q10 and Q5 are already obsolete. How could you consider them "future proofed" when their hardware already prevents them from using all of BlackBerry 10.2's features?

    With the Z10, you don't get Miracast or USB OTG and with the Q10 and Q5 you don't get USB OTG. How is that future proofed?

    So let's use your logic. The Z10, Q10 and Q5 are less than a year old and they can sorda run the latest version of BlackBerry 10. Guess everyone needs to buy a Z30 since all of the other BlackBerry 10 devices are outdated now. After all, there is a distinct difference between being able to sorda run a OS, and being able to use all of the features found on an OS. Isn't there?
    11-06-13 02:59 PM
  19. anon(5828343)'s Avatar
    Cray-cray-crazy!

    Certifiably so.
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    11-06-13 03:14 PM
  20. Toddboy71's Avatar
    Right, you must not be paying attention. If you had, you would have realized that the Z10, Q10 and Q5 are already obsolete. How could you consider them "future proofed" when their hardware already prevents them from using all of BlackBerry 10.2's features?

    With the Z10, you don't get Miracast or USB OTG and with the Z10, Q10 and Q5 you don't get USB OTG. How is that future proofed?

    So let's use your logic. The Z10, Q10 and Q5 are less than a year old and they can sorda run the latest version of BlackBerry 10. Guess everyone needs to buy a Z30 since all of the other BlackBerry 10 devices are outdated now. After all, there is a distinct difference between being able to run, and being able to use all of the features found on an OS. Isn't there?
    Reading can be your friend. "Much more future proofed" is what I stated. Nowhere did I say every feature would be able to be backwards compatible. And frankly, it shouldn't be. Not saying the Z10 et al shouldn't be able to run miracast or have usb host capabilities. Seeing you have shown the propensity of reading what you want into statements to attempt to prove your points I figured I'd better clarify. But I do appreciate your condescending tone though.

    Z10STL100-4/10.2.0.1791, waiting on VZW Z30
    11-06-13 03:18 PM
  21. miketko's Avatar
    Crazy.

    That being said, I've had the 5s and note 3 and now the z30

    Do I notice any difference is speed or performance? Answer: no

    So what are you really trying to do with a phone that needs crazy specs?

    Posted via CB10 on my z30
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    11-06-13 03:19 PM
  22. BlackBerry Wine's Avatar
    You won't regret the Z30, I went from a storm2 to the bold went back to the storm2 for another year and then the Z30
    Yup it's great, but I still use my PlayBook not as much though. Getting rid of it? No way!
    Go for the Z30

    Posted via CB10
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    11-06-13 03:26 PM
  23. moonhacker's Avatar
    Let's not get too crazy in here...
    11-06-13 03:29 PM
  24. Saiga's Avatar
    Reading can be your friend. "Much more future proofed" is what I stated. Nowhere did I say every feature would be able to be backwards compatible. And frankly, it shouldn't be. Not saying the Z10 et al shouldn't be able to run miracast or have usb host capabilities. Seeing you have shown the propensity of reading what you want into statements to attempt to prove your points I figured I'd better clarify. But I do appreciate your condescending tone though.

    Z10STL100-4/10.2.0.1791, waiting on VZW Z30
    So, phones launching and not being able to use features found on their OS less than a year later qualifies them as "much more future proofed" for you? You must be much easier to please than I am.

    Just think, for an insignificant amount of money, BlackBerry could have equipped all the BlackBerry 10 devices with Miracast capable hardware and a USB OTG port. Then the Z10, Q10 and Q5 wouldn't already be too outdated to run the full BlackBerry 10 OS. After all, those items had existed for a long time before any of those phones came out. Oh well.

    I hope BlackBerry is in the hardware business long enough to release another phone just so I can see what features the Z30 misses out on.
    11-06-13 03:31 PM
  25. moonhacker's Avatar
    You won't regret the Z30, I went from a storm2 to the bold went back to the storm2 for another year and then the Z30
    Yup it's great, but I still use my PlayBook not as much though. Getting rid of it? No way!
    Go for the Z30

    Posted via CB10
    That's my plan...Currently sporting the 9900 & 64gb Playbook and LOVING IT! But as soon as the Z30 arrives here...
    Taede likes this.
    11-06-13 03:31 PM
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