BlackBerry is about to fall flat on their faces with the Z30
- this is easier said than done because BB is caught between a rock and a hard place. they are at such a disadvantage with Samsung, Apple et al because they don't have the same volumes, economies of scale, and purchasing power with suppliers - so it's not a level playing field. BB can not squeeze suppliers for cheaper parts - in fact they must pay more! so this means that BB must charge the same (if not more) than competitors - and still take a hit on margins! and if they price under competitors - the margins will REALLY take a hit and wall street will crush them even further.
How do they get people to purchase their phones at a cheaper price than the competition's better phones, while still making a decent profit - while trying to catch-up with their competitors in specs and ecosystem? It's nearly impossible to do for a company that doesn't have deep pockets.07-17-13 09:33 AMLike 0 - Magical? No. But overall BB10 has some great features (hopefully patented) that the other phone OS's do not. I think I would have rather BBRY bought WebOS than QNX, or maybe bought both. But either way, what we have is pretty good.07-17-13 09:34 AMLike 0
- That's bull! This is going to be my first blackberry! I haven't been interested before, but since BB10 I just have to get one :-)
Skickat fr�n min ST27i via Tapatalk 207-17-13 09:36 AMLike 0 -
hindsight is 20/20 but BB should have bought Palm in 2010. HP paid $1.2B back then. BB's market cap was $25B at the time today it's $5B so they probably could have afforded the $1.2B. they could have taken webOS and customized and tweaked it and used it for BB10. this would have been a modern, web-ready, touch-ready, virtual "turnkey OS" and would have gotten them a decent competitor YEARS earlier and saved billions in wasted goodwill, time, opportunity, and R&D.Nathan Bael likes this.07-17-13 09:38 AMLike 1 - I want competitive, not magical and BB10 filled that bill so far, at least if you keep up with the leaks. But it's not lapping the field. Many people have had the experience of buying a new, well designed but relatively under spec'ed device that purrs at first but later bogs down when new apps come out that are optimized for better specs.
You need a cushion to allow for development. I used to hear that I overbought on specs but not only did this allow me to run Cad-like software when the need unexpectedly arose, it added years to the useful life over the device which could survive and be compatible for several generations of OS's.
Posted via CB1007-17-13 09:38 AMLike 0 - this is easier said than done because BB is caught between a rock and a hard place. they are at such a disadvantage with Samsung, Apple et al because they don't have the same volumes, economies of scale, and purchasing power with suppliers - so it's not a level playing field. BB can not squeeze suppliers for cheaper parts - in fact they must pay more! so this means that BB must charge the same (if not more) than competitors - and still take a hit on margins! and if they price under competitors - the margins will REALLY take a hit and wall street will crush them even further.
Nokia operates on half of that...
Posted via CB10agp101 likes this.07-17-13 09:39 AMLike 1 - I loved Nokia so much, before they switched to WP.
I had the different communicators, I had the first Nokia with Wap (7110) I had different N and E series phones.
But WP must be the most horrible OS I have used in the 18+ years of mobile phone usage...
Yes, I know you didn't asked me that, but Nokia's downfall and switch to WP was the reason I went to BlackBerry in the first place.
Posted via CB1007-17-13 09:44 AMLike 0 - they were target margins and they have obviously not been sustainable over time as you are seeing with low sales and now price cuts. the free market just slapped down those pipe dreams. they might have got those margins from the few early adopters but no way can you extrapolate that to being anything but very short term. launch margins do not necessarily equal sustainable margins.07-17-13 09:45 AMLike 0
- I loved Nokia so much, before they switched to WP.
I had the different communicators, I had the first Nokia with Wap (7110) I had different N and E series phones.
But WP must be the most horrible OS I have used in the 18+ years of mobile phone usage...
Yes, I know you didn't asked me that, but Nokia's downfall and switch to WP was the reason I went to BlackBerry in the first place.
Posted via CB10ajst222 likes this.07-17-13 09:47 AMLike 1 -
Had an iPhone 4 for a certain amount of time.
But I didn't like it, so I switched to the Torch 9810 when it launched.
And now I have the Z10 since it launch.
But I am no stranger to the other OS'.
I have friends/colleagues and family members with a plethora of different phones.
I am also the one who is asked what phone/notebook/headphones (continue endlessly) my family/friends/colleagues should buy, because I have a pretty good market overview.
I could have bought the S4 at launch, instead of the Z, but I don't like Android and Google's business model.
Apple is Apple.... When BlackBerry goes out of business, I'll probably buy an iPhone.
So, maybe I didn't give you enough informations, but I am not really coming from a Nokia, it's just that a decade ago, I really liked Nokia.
With Windows Phone, they completely killed the brand for me.
Posted via CB1007-17-13 10:06 AMLike 0 - The 5" OLED screen is nice over the 4.2" of the Z10 and looks like the battery will be better at 2800mAh over the Z10's 1800mAh but I wont be spending the money for those two improvements. As for OS 10.2, I'll just wait for an update on the Z10. 10.1.0.2354 works GREAT for me!07-17-13 10:08 AMLike 0
- HTC One has 4 megapixel camera and still it is called one of the best Android phones ever.
A10 has DEDICATED, I repeat again DEDICATED quad core GPU. This phone will be gaming mobile beast. This phone will be true Playstation on the go.
Marketing is the key here. if i was working at Blackberry and had to run advertising campaign i would make sure that anyone who saw A10 ad would never forget about quad core GPU. I would send out more blackberry employees to educate store stuff especially in USA about this new phone features. Finally I would make sure to get at least couple of A10 exclusive games with jaw dropping visuals utilizing GPU quad core power.. I tell you Samsung and Apple would be caught with their pants down!
Blackberry is really good phone with unique features. It is truly good phone to run business from on the go. The problem is that Blackberry has done poor job (especially in USA) communicating advantages of BB10 phones.
Blackberry should look for different type of employees. It might sound sound crazy but perhaps hard core blackberry fans with some crazy out of this world ideas should be the one working at Blackberry. Not uptight employees thinking about their bonuses too much.07-17-13 10:23 AMLike 0 - they were target margins and they have obviously not been sustainable over time as you are seeing with low sales and now price cuts. the free market just slapped down those pipe dreams. they might have got those margins from the few early adopters but no way can you extrapolate that to being anything but very short term. launch margins do not necessarily equal sustainable margins.
But 37% is still on a completely different level than Nokia's 20% on Lumias.
Posted via CB1007-17-13 10:25 AMLike 0 -
All they wanted is megapixelsBlacklatino and agp101 like this.07-17-13 10:31 AMLike 2 - This couldn't be further from the truth. Used to sell digital cameras for living and all customers cared about were the brand name and specs. It irks me just remembering how many times i had to explain what impact megapixels had on their image quality to every single non-tech savvy customer.
All they wanted is megapixelsBlacklatino and shupor like this.07-17-13 10:44 AMLike 2 -
2. Smartphone store staff sell phones to people who don't care about specs. Often specs are the only thing the staff knows about a phone. The only phones where specs don't matter are iPhones, and it's only because they have the rep to back it up. BlackBerry doesn't have the track record to sell phones without the best specs.07-17-13 10:54 AMLike 0 -
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wow. its funny to read comments like this. Ok. just for ****s and giggles could you tell us how many phones have been infected with all the android malware? has it drained anyones bank yet? or are you just trying to make people think the sky is falling without bb security?
and other then security companies with lots to gain..has anyone else found malware yet? are people freaking out? or are they still activating more androids in a day then bb does in a month?07-17-13 11:00 AMLike 0 - Read the first couple of posts and skipped to the end.
Threads like this make me laugh. The damn device isn't even out yet. It's been spotted and the specs rumoured.
Without going through ALL of the posts in this thread; did ANYONE happen to mention that the rumoured specs are from a spec-sheet that was released in May? It's possible that the real specs will have been upgraded. Granted the track record for that isn't good, but who knows?
Specs are an important part of a phone, but a lot of them are buzz-words at best. I recall numerous threads of this exact nature about the rumoured specs for the Z10 before it was released... Then it got released, and (mentioning the rear facing camera in particular) people started taking pictures. Lo and behold, beautiful pictures everywhere all coming from the camera on the Z10.
As for the CPU... Android's NEED a quad-core because the OS is such a resource-hog. BlackBerry only uses dual-core because that's all it needs. Haven't met a BB10 that is sluggish.
Also haven't met an Android user that's running cpu-intensive calculations on their smart-phone.
Posted via CB1007-17-13 11:01 AMLike 0 - The funny thing is; there are a lot of correct points arguing opposite sides of the issue.
YES, most people either don't research enough and many rely too much on it with the greater majority of both not understanding what most of these mean.
YES, it's true that "sales people" REALLY want you buy non-Blackberry devices - when I committed to a plan with our carrier 21 months ago, I INSISTED on a Torch 9810, but the sales person kept trying to push me to a Samsung until I asked sternly whether he DID or did NOT want to make a sale. But EVERYTHING from apps to camera-pixels (front & back), to processors and ram WILL be used to influence buyers. And those who DO make up their own mind are even more vulnerable to "specs" because usability, functionality and ease of use cannot be objectively measured.
YES - at "some point" the maufacturer MUST pull the plug on revising specs and commit to manufacturing. At THAT point the device becomes functionally obsolete, because the next-newer developed competitor WILL be better equipped. Nokia proved it with the 41 mp camera on its newest phone, but no-one believes that THAT resolution is realistically manageable (can you imagine the size of memory card needed to take 20 pictures??)
What is ALWAYS overlooked is the COMBINATION of factors that make the specs relevant.
Would you rather have a "1000 HP Bugatti Veyron II" or a "170 HP Honda Civic?"
Sure, we know the answer. BOTH cars have 4 wheels, a nice interior and WILL get you from "A" to "B."
But your family of 4, plus Rover, won't get to the beach in the $2 million rocket, and between sucking the gas tank dry in 8 minutes at 400km/h and the $10,000 speeding ticket, it's easy to see that there's a LOT more to straight-up "Specs" than meets the eye.
TOO many other factors will affect how a very-well spec'd device (car, phone, etc.) perform in real-world conditions, inlc. user knowledge & skill.
They WILL, however, be leverage to those who'll claim "this processor's faster, has 2x the memory and will handle future OS upgrades easier" than this A/Z/Qxx which came out with older, slower, shallower equipment levels.
Finally, some have written that we're just complaining about "rumoured" specs; well, complaining "after" the phone hits stores is also stupid. The time to let BBRY know to go big ot stay home IS RIGHT NOW.
Sure, rumours are designed to keep competitors guessing, but they ALL know what chips (etc.) are available from whom and usable-how "by production time" so that's little advantage. There's some truth in rumours and it's up to users to let BBRY know what THEY would accept and WILL BUY.
Just my 2 cents worth from our penny-less country.
Cheers & Keep Moving!
First, many people are saying masses don't care about specs. In fact, most people these days are quite technically savvy and those who don't have any clue ask their family and friends who have clue about these things. Bottom line is that Blackberry is behind and as much BB fans say Android sucks, it's not that bad at all. In fact, that's what Apple fan boys have been saying all along about Android and now Android is spreading like weed. Blackberry needs to get some hardware vendors on board if needs to survive and should focus on software side and may be only high end hardware devices and by that I mean really high end. Come on Blackberry, give me a reason to buy BB10 device. Put something which no one else has, may be 4 gig of ram or 15 mega pixel camera. With current specs for A10 , I will rather go for Lumia 1020 with whopping 41 megapixel camera.07-17-13 11:01 AMLike 0 - This is very true thats why kiosk test area's are important.Thats why marketing has to be on point and good.Branding wise BB is dead in US. Rest of the world its actually fine.The awareness however on new devices not good enough.BBM going multiplatform will be hugely important in re-branding BB.The boost from that will be interesting.07-17-13 11:05 AMLike 0
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