- That's part of the reason that the A10 if it actually launches with the rumored specs will make the original BlackBerry Storm look like a huge success.
Since the A10 is targeting conquests - namely Android users - not the typical BlackBerry customer, it's spec sheet reads like a bad joke.
BlackBerry can milk us for profit on phones with Keyboards like the Q10 and Q5 because if you want a good keyboard phone, then BlackBerry is literally your only option.
But BlackBerry isn't going to have much success targeting Android customers with a fat, low res, underspec'ed phone that has no instagram, spotify, or Candy Crush Saga to name a few.
It won't be prettymithrazor likes this.06-23-13 06:50 PMLike 1 - Perhaps not everyone wants a 5" phone, buy there are many that do clearly. Just look at the sales of large screen phones. While this isn't exactly BlackBerry's type of phone (ie small enough to use with one hand) but if they want to grow their user base, they need to provide devices that appeal to all people. The Z10 being the first full all touch device by BlackBerry isn't the usual BlackBerry type phone but they knew they need to make it to compete and I think they have done a great job with it. I really like my Z10. I am looking forward to seeing this flagship device and what the actual specs will be. I think the original device was going to be 4.6" and then Kevin mentioned that it had been scraped and now is 5". So we shall see. I for one and happy to see BlackBerry make devices for all different people's likes.
Kick'n it with my Z10. #BB10believe06-23-13 07:04 PMLike 4 - Perhaps not everyone wants a 5" phone, buy there are many that do clearly. Just look at the sales of large screen phones. While this isn't exactly BlackBerry's type of phone (ie small enough to use with one hand) but if they want to grow their user base, they need to provide devices that appeal to all people. The Z10 being the first full all touch device by BlackBerry isn't the usual BlackBerry type phone but they knew they need to make it to compete and I think they have done a great job with it. I really like my Z10. I am looking forward to seeing this flagship device and what the actual specs will be. I think the original device was going to be 4.6" and then Kevin mentioned that it had been scraped and now is 5". So we shall see. I for one and happy to see BlackBerry make devices for all different people's likes.
Kick'n it with my Z10. #BB10believe06-23-13 07:14 PMLike 0 -
- I really hope they include something hardware wise to differentiate from competitors.
I would really like the trackpad and scroll wheel to make a comeback. The trackpad for text cursor movement and the scroll wheel to scroll long documents without needing to cover the screen with your finger. That would enhance the flow of BB10 even more and I could see those appealing to the high end crowd while not being gimmicks like the S4 has.
Also the trackpad should double as a finger print reader. Maybe unrealistic but if they really want to challenge the top players they have to offer hardware features the others don't have. You can't rely just on software and they have the experience working with both.Last edited by matt4pack; 06-24-13 at 06:08 PM.
06-24-13 05:54 PMLike 0 - I really hope they include something hardware wise to differentiate from competitors.
I would really like the trackpad and scroll wheel to make a comeback. The trackpad for text cursor movement and the scroll wheel to scroll long documents without needing to cover the screen with your finger. That would enhance the flow of BB10 even more and I could see those appealing to the high end crowd while not being gimmicks like the S4 has.
Also the trackpad should double as a finger print reader. Maybe unrealistic but if they really want to challenge the top players they have to offer hardware features the others don't have. You can't rely just on software and they have the experience working with both.
I hope they can differentiate through software. I hope to see heavy TAT influence or something. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. BB is losing the spec AND experience race.
If they don't have 1080p. I hope they don't cheap out with a 600 but have a Snapdragon 800 processor.06-24-13 08:27 PMLike 0 - I honestly don't think the average BlackBerry customer cares if the screen is 720 or 1080. A device that has a 720 display is still a very good looking. People already complain that BlackBerry doesn't have enough apps, and if the "A10 " comes out with a 1080 display, devs will have to redo every app they have already made already and some have said they won't bother. So that means the app situation will get even worse. There is more to a phone then just the screen. BlackBerry needs to make sure the build quality of the "A10 " is top notch and keep continue to make the OS better and better as tone goes by. I believe that these things are more important to most people.
Kick'n it with my Z10. #BB10believe06-24-13 10:36 PMLike 0 - I honestly don't think the average BlackBerry customer cares if the screen is 720 or 1080. A device that has a 720 display is still a very good looking. People already complain that BlackBerry doesn't have enough apps, and if the "A10 " comes out with a 1080 display, devs will have to redo every app they have already made already and some have said they won't bother. So that means the app situation will get even worse. There is more to a phone then just the screen. BlackBerry needs to make sure the build quality of the "A10 " is top notch and keep continue to make the OS better and better as tone goes by. I believe that these things are more important to most people.06-26-13 05:55 AMLike 0
- I honestly don't think the average BlackBerry customer cares if the screen is 720 or 1080. A device that has a 720 display is still a very good looking. People already complain that BlackBerry doesn't have enough apps, and if the "A10 " comes out with a 1080 display, devs will have to redo every app they have already made already and some have said they won't bother. So that means the app situation will get even worse. There is more to a phone then just the screen. BlackBerry needs to make sure the build quality of the "A10 " is top notch and keep continue to make the OS better and better as tone goes by. I believe that these things are more important to most people.
Kick'n it with my Z10. #BB10believe
The average shopper looking for a 5" touchscreen thinks that a physical QWERTY on a phone is outdated. Plus, phones with a 5" touchscreen tend to fall into only two categories in the market. They are either high end, or they are low end and inexpensive by some unknown Chinese manufacturer. BlackBerry isn't looking to compete with Chinese value brands. BlackBerry is looking to stay a top tier premium brand.
But the A10 might as well use a Mediatek chip and call it's self a budget phone if the specs as rumored are accurate or even close. The rumored specs put the A10 about on par with an HTC One X+. A high end phone from 2012. You know, before BlackBerry 10 hit the market at all.
It's not just the screen resolution that is going to cause the A10 to fail.
It's the outdated processor. Apple can get away with it because they don't publish their chips spec and don't use off the shelf chips so people buy the optimized for iOS routine. But an off the shelf Qualcomm chip from 2012 can be looked up by anyone and it won't take long to realize that the current 2013 series of chips are superior. So an S4 Pro won't cut it in a 2013 Q4 product that is going to sell for $700
It's thick. The rumored battery isn't that outrageously big as to warrant the bulk of the phone. The weaved glass back is pretty but if it's really got to add so much bulk, find something better. The Nokia 920 was a good phone with average specs but most feedback slammed it's thickness.
The Camera won't be anything special to non-BlackBerry customers. No optical image stabilizing floating lens gimmick. No Crystal Sapphire lens gimmick. No Ultrapixel gimmick. It'll just be a good mid pack shooter. It's going to be a good camera, but not a stand out one.
So that leave just BlackBerry 10 to sell the phone. BlackBerry 10 is awesome. But it's not light years ahead of anyone. It's a tough sell versus the massive ecosystems of Android and iOS. The OS it's self is great. The App situation is the problem. People living in a connected world and BlackBerry people being "hyper connected" want to be able to share experiences with their friends and family and take part in new "app of the moment" experiences. BlackBerry may never offer that. BlackBerry may never offer the latest mobile game craze. BlackBerry may never offer the same app experience. This is a problem like it or not.
I believe in BlackBerry. But I don't believe the A10 will be a market success when it's target audience has better choices in that segment of the market. So far, the A10 is shaping up to be the phone with no stand out feature. I hope they are holding a few surprises back to help that phone out, but right now the magic 8 ball is saying it's 'future is cloudy'06-26-13 06:59 AMLike 0 - The A10 isn't targeting average BlackBerry customers. That's Q territory. BlackBerry Q phones will sell to average BlackBerry customers even with inflated prices because the Q stands for QWERTY and BlackBerry does make the best phones with physical QWERTY keyboards around.
The average shopper looking for a 5" touchscreen thinks that a physical QWERTY on a phone is outdated. Plus, phones with a 5" touchscreen tend to fall into only two categories in the market. They are either high end, or they are low end and inexpensive by some unknown Chinese manufacturer. BlackBerry isn't looking to compete with Chinese value brands. BlackBerry is looking to stay a top tier premium brand.
But the A10 might as well use a Mediatek chip and call it's self a budget phone if the specs as rumored are accurate or even close. The rumored specs put the A10 about on par with an HTC One X+. A high end phone from 2012. You know, before BlackBerry 10 hit the market at all.
It's not just the screen resolution that is going to cause the A10 to fail.
It's the outdated processor. Apple can get away with it because they don't publish their chips spec and don't use off the shelf chips so people buy the optimized for iOS routine. But an off the shelf Qualcomm chip from 2012 can be looked up by anyone and it won't take long to realize that the current 2013 series of chips are superior. So an S4 Pro won't cut it in a 2013 Q4 product that is going to sell for $700
It's thick. The rumored battery isn't that outrageously big as to warrant the bulk of the phone. The weaved glass back is pretty but if it's really got to add so much bulk, find something better. The Nokia 920 was a good phone with average specs but most feedback slammed it's thickness.
The Camera won't be anything special to non-BlackBerry customers. No optical image stabilizing floating lens gimmick. No Crystal Sapphire lens gimmick. No Ultrapixel gimmick. It'll just be a good mid pack shooter. It's going to be a good camera, but not a stand out one.
So that leave just BlackBerry 10 to sell the phone. BlackBerry 10 is awesome. But it's not light years ahead of anyone. It's a tough sell versus the massive ecosystems of Android and iOS. The OS it's self is great. The App situation is the problem. People living in a connected world and BlackBerry people being "hyper connected" want to be able to share experiences with their friends and family and take part in new "app of the moment" experiences. BlackBerry may never offer that. BlackBerry may never offer the latest mobile game craze. BlackBerry may never offer the same app experience. This is a problem like it or not.
I believe in BlackBerry. But I don't believe the A10 will be a market success when it's target audience has better choices in that segment of the market. So far, the A10 is shaping up to be the phone with no stand out feature. I hope they are holding a few surprises back to help that phone out, but right now the magic 8 ball is saying it's 'future is cloudy'
BlackBerry for life. Kick'n it with my Z10.06-26-13 09:27 PMLike 0 - That's part of the reason that the A10 if it actually launches with the rumored specs will make the original BlackBerry Storm look like a huge success.
Since the A10 is targeting conquests - namely Android users - not the typical BlackBerry customer, it's spec sheet reads like a bad joke.
BlackBerry can milk us for profit on phones with Keyboards like the Q10 and Q5 because if you want a good keyboard phone, then BlackBerry is literally your only option.
But BlackBerry isn't going to have much success targeting Android customers with a fat, low res, underspec'ed phone that has no instagram, spotify, or Candy Crush Saga to name a few.
It won't be pretty
Posted via CB1006-27-13 12:00 AMLike 0 - 06-27-13 06:41 AMLike 0
- That code name is just BlackBerry's way of saying that they are going to try and milk people with more cash then knowledge for a phone that either lags behind, or just barely matches it's contemporaries in terms of hardware.
BlackBerry isn't Apple. They didn't go buy some little ARM chip designer to have a Asian PEM fabricate custom chips for them. Apple gets away with staying out of the Android specs race by saying the A[insert number] processor is custom designed to give you the best experience with your iPhone. That's a claim no one can counter because no one else has iOS or an A[insert number] chip to put in a non-iOS phone.
Anyone can look up the specs on the A10's rumored chip and name 3 Android phones that used it in about a minute. So BlackBerry can't say that an out dated chip is the best experience for BlackBerry 10 because if it was why do these new chips from this year blow it out of the water on another Platform? So unless BlackBerry buys up some little ARM licensee and introduces a new line of BlackBerry secret sauce processors that no one else has in their phones, they aren't going to get the same mileage Apple gets with it's A series chips in claiming that what's in the phone is the best for that phone.
Sure BlackBerry will say that BlackBerry 10 is so much more efficient then Android and doesn't need the power to run smoothly. But that argument isn't really going to fly if they phone is priced as high or higher then an Android phone with better hardware.
There has to be a value proposition and something that will make the A10 stand out in the most fiercely competitive segment of the market. I hope BlackBerry realizes this and has a couple surprises for consumers when the A10 launches.Jonneh likes this.06-27-13 07:19 AMLike 1 - Since this is all rumours, no point saying this or that about BlackBerry
Posted via CB10Jonneh and mediadavid like this.06-27-13 07:34 AMLike 2 - I agree. Main reason I didn't go with a Sammy is that it was a tablet, not a phone. I do have to give it to BlackBerry - go hard or go home should be the next slogan.
Posted via CB1006-27-13 08:19 AMLike 0 - What's the fascination with apps? BBz10/Q phones are really business phones and as such do the people using them really need all the apps now available on Android etc? I originally had a Z10 ( always been a BB customer) but changed to Samsung Galaxy S4 to give it a trial run. Must say the apps on it are overwhelming with new apps appearing every day; in saying that with thousands of apps I only use about a dozen continuously which in any case are catered for on the Z10. All these apps are in most cases rubbish - for the kids I suppose but majority are a waste of time. Now waiting to see what the A10 is like.
Cheers (just my 10 p)06-27-13 09:15 AMLike 0 -
- My aunt is a typical smartphone consumer. She recently bought a Gs2 note and as she was showing it too me her demo went something like this: "It has a really big screen and then this pen thingy...I love it"
She mentioned nothing about PPI or memory storage thickness etc... She never even knew about a note until she took her Droid charhge in for an upgrade at Verizon.
While us tech nerds place value on the specs and PPI ...most people just don't!
Thor seems very excited about this new device so let's not crucify it long before its scheduled to hit market. They have something up the sleeve and if you think different, your just silly.
Sent from using TapatalkBluenoser63 and bigjman like this.06-27-13 06:43 PMLike 2 -
- My aunt is a typical smartphone consumer. She recently bought a Gs2 note and as she was showing it too me her demo went something like this: "It has a really big screen and then this pen thingy...I love it"
She mentioned nothing about PPI or memory storage thickness etc... She never even knew about a note until she took her Droid charhge in for an upgrade at Verizon.
While us tech nerds place value on the specs and PPI ...most people just don't!
Thor seems very excited about this new device so let's not crucify it long before its scheduled to hit market. They have something up the sleeve and if you think different, your just silly.
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Posted via CB1006-29-13 01:30 AMLike 0 -
...and this IS how Android 4.2 support should arrive, on-device loading, preferably even with Play Store. That and a 5" device and I'm willing to switch from Android. Anything less and I'm getting Sony's 6.4"Xperia Z Ultra in September.07-03-13 12:13 AMLike 0
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