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  1. zeeten's Avatar
    Huh? Then shouldn't the iPhone 5 have a higher PPI than the Z10 because the screen is smaller?
    No, because it also has lower resolution. He was referring to two phones with the same resolution and different screen size.

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    06-17-13 02:18 AM
  2. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    But why do you need precise widths and heights? Being a slave to the device resolution is rarely a good thing. I won't say you never need precise locations, but I really can't think of a use case where you would have to.
    I did in my post. Please provide Cascades code for a excel like spreadsheet with grid lines and not use precise widths and heights that will look good on all current resolutions and the wished for 1080p. Thanks. I will be waiting for your code.
    06-17-13 06:55 AM
  3. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    That isn't a layout manager, these are layout options. And there is AbsoluteLayout. Which is needed otherwise it wouldn't be there. Simple apps can adjust, but try to do something more than simple apps and then problems occur if you don't start positioning then using X and Y coordinates. Even with simple apps, it is better to lock them to portrait as your app will look stretched in landscape.
    06-17-13 07:01 AM
  4. IgotsThis's Avatar
    Huh? Then shouldn't the iPhone 5 have a higher PPI than the Z10 because the screen is smaller?
    Idk just taking guesses is all. Since the Z packs 355ppi maybe the A10 can pack the same? Maybe even 400?

    Z10? Why yes it is.
    06-17-13 07:29 AM
  5. Barracuda7772's Avatar
    Thank you!
    I hope they will use "Super AMOLED Plus" even at 720p might be interesting
    A curious question though what will happen with the "Z" line? Eventually they'll run out of letters.. idk just hoping for the best very content with my Z10 atm.

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    super amoled plus will only be on samsungs products, I thoughtnwe went throuh this
    06-17-13 07:56 AM
  6. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    If that's the resolution than I am going to get rid of zq
    10 even though I love bb. And support them I will leave until they get a stronger resolution and better colors or comparable to the new phones

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    Since the resolution on the screen is with the A10 with 4.65 inch screen will be higher than your eye can see, then why dismiss it?

    A person with 20/20 cannot see individual pixels from 12 inches at a level 286ppi. The Z10 is 356 ppi and doing some rough calculations the A10 would have a ppi of 320. That is with 1280 x 720 4.65 inch screen. So what does it get you in terms of usability other than a "my mom can beat up my mom" bragging and "ppinis envy".

    Also remember that high end big screen 1080p TVs have a ppi under 200. But of course your viewing distance is key and if you need to hold you cell phone less than 10-12 inches, time to see the eye doctor.

    With 400ppi + phones, you can hold them less than 7 inches away from your eyes before you can see the pixels. Take out a ruler and try it.

    So for something you cannot see, you lose battery life.
    Last edited by Bluenoser63; 06-17-13 at 09:08 AM.
    06-17-13 08:42 AM
  7. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Since the resolution on the screen is with the A10 with 4.65 inch screen will be higher than your eye can see, then why dismiss it?

    A person with 20/20 cannot see individual pixels from 12 inches at a level 286ppi. The Z10 is 356 ppi and doing some rough calculations the A10 would have a ppi of 320. That is with 1280 x 720 4.65 inch screen. So what does it get you in terms of usability other than a "my mom can beat up my mom" bragging and "ppinis envy".

    Also remember that high end big screen 1080p TVs have a ppi under 200. But of course your viewing distance is key and if you need to hold you cell phone less than 10-12 inches, time to see the eye doctor.

    With 400ppi + phones, you can hold them less than 7 inches away from your eyes before you can see the pixels. Take out a ruler and try it.

    So for something you cannot see, you lose battery life.
    And every single Android flagship phone offers them and I can get 2 days of battery life out of an S4.
    Which is more than I can get with the Z10.

    WP will offer these screens as well. This is about feature parity with the competition.
    And the future price point of the A10.
    If the A10 shall compete with the S4 and the HTC One with a similar price tag, but half the specs, then this wil not work out in favour of the A10.

    But I guess one mustn't be a dev to understand the structure of the market BBRY tries to compete in.
    Or why it is a stupid idea to launch a premium phone without premium specs or materials.

    You know why BlackBerry is in the situation they are in now?
    Because they ignored market trends.

    What you suggest is that BlackBerry should continue on this path of ignoring market trends and where the competition is heading.
    Your thinking Bluenoser, is the reason why BlackBerry was an iota away of going out of business.

    So like I said before, let's bow down before your genius like thoughts, to sell a 700$ device, with Hardware from the beginning of 2012.

    Your thoughts are so brilliant, considering market trends, that I do wonder why BlackBerry hasn't hired you....

    But yes, all hail to Hardware from yesterday anyway!

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    Last edited by MarsupilamiX; 06-17-13 at 11:55 AM.
    06-17-13 11:20 AM
  8. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Idk just taking guesses is all. Since the Z packs 355ppi maybe the A10 can pack the same? Maybe even 400?

    Z10? Why yes it is.
    You sir, are a genius as well
    This will only happen if it uses a 1080p display.

    Everything else would make the PPI lower than what the Z10 currently has.

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    Last edited by MarsupilamiX; 06-17-13 at 11:56 AM.
    06-17-13 11:23 AM
  9. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    And every single Android flagship phone offers them and I can get 2 days of battery life out of an S4.
    Which is more than I can get with the Z10.

    WP will offer these screens as well. This is about feature parity with the competition.
    And the future price point of the A10.
    If the A10 shall compete with the S4 and the HTC One with a similar price tag, but half the specs, then this wil not work out in favour of the A10.

    But I guess one mustn't be a dev to understand the structure of the market BBRY tries to compete in.
    Or why it is a stupid idea to launch a premium phone without premium specs or materials.

    You know why BlackBerry is in the situation they are in now?
    Becaude they ignored market trends.

    What you suggest is that BlackBerry should continue on this path of ignoring market trends and where the competition is heading.
    Your thinking Bluenoser, is the reason why BlackBerry was an iota away of going out of business.

    So like I said before, let's bow down before your genius like thoughts, to sell a 700$ device, with Hardware from the beginning of 2012.

    Your thoughts are so brilliant, considering market trends, that I do wonder why BlackBerry hasn't hired you....

    But yes, all hail to Hardware from yesterday!

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    Better tell that to Google, the Moto X will be 720p.
    06-17-13 11:24 AM
  10. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    You sir, are a genius as well
    This will only happen if it uses 1080p display.

    Everything else would make the PPI lower than what the Z10 currently has.

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    Yet the A10 with 720p and 4.65 screen will have a ppi better than what can be seen with 20/20. What a waste of battery life just so you can brag.
    06-17-13 11:26 AM
  11. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Yet the A10 with 720p and 4.65 screen will have a ppi better than what can be seen with 20/20. What a waste of battery life just so you can brag.
    As I said before, and this is proven by empirical data:

    I can get more battery life out of a Samsung S4 than I can get out of the BBRY Z10.

    A bigger device makes room for a bigger battery.
    The waste of ressources, is irrelevant as it is theoretical.

    The higher res screened device has better battery life than the low screened device.

    So this is also debunked...

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    06-17-13 11:32 AM
  12. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Better tell that to Google, the Moto X will be 720p.
    And why should I ?

    Motorola is completely irrelevant as of now and became that through the same reasons BBRY nearly lost everything:

    They ignored market trends.

    We see the contriary of Motorola's behaviour with Nokia.
    Better Camera, Metal Chassis etc..

    But I guess this was the best you can do.
    Therefore I may suggest that you keep developing but stop talking about how the Cell Phone market works.

    I want BlackBerry to succeed.
    And they won't with subpar hardware.

    I couldn't care less about Motorola though, but the same goes for them: If they want to be successful, it won't happen with subpar hardware.

    As an old proverb tells us:
    Cobbler, stick to your last!

    Your a dev, so please just stop talking about what makes sense business wise and concentrate on what you really know to do.


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    06-17-13 11:40 AM
  13. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    As I said before, and this is proven by empirical data:

    I can get more battery life out of a Samsung S4 than I can get out of the BBRY Z10.

    A bigger device makes room for a bigger battery.
    The waste of ressources, is irrelevant as it is theoretical.

    The higher res screened device has better battery life than the low screened device.

    So this is also debunked...

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    Given the same battery and different screen resolutions, a smaller screen resolution will have longer battery life. I think you are lost.

    Please tell us that a Z10 with the same battery and a 1080p screen will have a longer battery life. I need a good laugh. You can't compare orange batteries and apple batteries.
    06-17-13 12:26 PM
  14. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm

    This is a very interesting read.

    I already know that Bluenoser will tell me that this supports his thesis, and he should know that I will tell him that this in fact is evidence in my favour.

    I can only provide it in the hope that everyone who is really interested reads it and forms his opinion based on facts.

    Given the same battery and different screen resolutions, a smaller screen resolution will have longer battery life. I think you are lost.
    You are correct there.
    But the new Android devices using 1080p displays have proven to us that the battery life is still better than the one of their predecessors with 720p displays.

    For real life uses, the higher theoretical power consumption is of non concern for the end user.

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    06-17-13 12:27 PM
  15. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    And why should I ?

    Motorola is completely irrelevant as of now and became that through the same reasons BBRY nearly lost everything:

    They ignored market trends.

    We see the contriary of Motorola's behaviour with Nokia.
    Better Camera, Metal Chassis etc..

    But I guess this was the best you can do.
    Therefore I may suggest that you keep developing but stop talking about how the Cell Phone market works.

    I want BlackBerry to succeed.
    And they won't with subpar hardware.

    I couldn't care less about Motorola though, but the same goes for them: If they want to be successful, it won't happen with subpar hardware.

    As an old proverb tells us:
    Cobbler, stick to your last!

    Your a dev, so please just stop talking about what makes sense business wise and concentrate on what you really know to do.


    Posted via CB10
    OK mister BUSINESS MAN who knows all. Why don't you tell us what company you are a CEO for? You must be into marketing. Probably snake oil. You want features on a phone that have no use. You have never proven that they are of any functional use other than bragging.
    06-17-13 12:29 PM
  16. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    Galaxy S4 Display Technology Shoot-Out

    This is a very interesting read.

    I already know that Bluenoser will tell me that this supports his thesis, and he should know that I will tell him that this in fact is evidence in my favour.

    I can only provide it in the hope that everyone who is really interested reads it and forms his opinion based on facts.

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    Make sure you read the section.

    400+ Pixels Per Inch Displays

    Apple started a major revolution in display marketing by introducing their “Retina Display” with 326 Pixels Per Inch (PPI) on the iPhone 4 in 2010. While not equivalent to the resolution of the human retina, people with 20/20 Vision cannot resolve the individual pixels when the display is held at normal viewing distances of 10.5 inches or more. It started a display PPI and Mega Pixel war similar to what happened with Smartphone digital cameras, which is still an ongoing wild goose chase now into the stratosphere… Hopefully the same thing won’t happen with mobile displays because there are tradeoffs involved that affect other important display performance issues.
    There are trade offs in performance for something that you cannot see.
    06-17-13 12:32 PM
  17. randall2580's Avatar
    Phil Nickinson over at Android Central who was initially skeptical that he would note the diff between 1080 and 720p now states that he believes he can - or at least he notices when he goes back from 1080 to 720. As he is one of the folks who would have good experience with both, I tend to believe what he says.
    06-17-13 12:37 PM
  18. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    Phil Nickinson over at Android Central who was initially skeptical that he would note the diff between 1080 and 720p now states that he believes he can - or at least he notices when he goes back from 1080 to 720. As he is one of the folks who would have good experience with both, I tend to believe what he says.
    Then he either has better than 20/20 vision and/or holds the phone closer than 10 inches.
    06-17-13 12:52 PM
  19. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    OK mister BUSINESS MAN who knows all. Why don't you tell us what company you are a CEO for? You must be into marketing. Probably snake oil. You want features on a phone that have no use. You have never proven that they are of any functional use other than bragging.
    Not a bad guess.

    I specialise in market research for the moment, and also worked for the marketing department. I also tried accounting and finance.

    There is no need in being CEO of a company to understand basic things, like it being a stupid idea to release a phone with a high price tag, without it having enough USPs to justify it.

    If the ecosystem lags behind, at least provide the right Hardware to make the platform attractive to consumers.

    It would also help in making the Z10 a mid range device and to lower its price, so that the BB10 adoption in emerging markets accelerates so that there is a mid range device that is sold alongside of the Q5.

    Apart from a better display these are also reasons why a 1080p panel makes sense.

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    06-17-13 01:03 PM
  20. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Make sure you read the section.

    400+ Pixels Per Inch Displays



    There are trade offs in performance for something that you cannot see.
    Yes, theoretically speaking this is correct.

    In real life, for the end user, he still gets better battery life on his S4 than on his S3.
    What has to be done to achieve that is none of his concerns.
    He only hears that it has the newest specs and runs longer.

    Phil Nickinson over at Android Central who was initially skeptical that he would note the diff between 1080 and 720p now states that he believes he can - or at least he notices when he goes back from 1080 to 720. As he is one of the folks who would have good experience with both, I tend to believe what he says.
    Thank you very much for pointing that out !

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    06-17-13 01:06 PM
  21. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    Not a bad guess.

    I specialise in market research for the moment, and also worked for the marketing department. I also tried accounting and finance.

    There is no need in being CEO of a company to understand basic things, like it being a stupid idea to release a phone with a high price tag, without it having enough USPs to justify it.

    If the ecosystem lags behind, at least provide the right Hardware to make the platform attractive to consumers.

    It would also help in making the Z10 a mid range device and to lower its price, so that the BB10 adoption in emerging markets accelerates so that there is a mid range device that is sold alongside of the Q5.

    Apart from a better display these are also reasons why a 1080p panel makes sense.

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    It is not a better display unless you can actually see a difference.
    06-17-13 01:15 PM
  22. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    It is not a better display unless you can actually see a difference.
    Now we are back to the link I provided before:

    It's also a better display

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    06-17-13 01:18 PM
  23. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    Now we are back to the link I provided before:

    It's also a better display

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    And where did it say that. The iPhone (not 1080p) and the S4(1080p) both got an A. I see why you are into marketing. Nothing like selling BS to people.
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    06-17-13 01:26 PM
  24. Bluenoser63's Avatar
    06-17-13 01:38 PM
  25. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    And where did it say that. The iPhone (not 1080p) and the S4(1080p) both got an A. I see why you are into marketing. Nothing like selling BS to people.
    The display is better than a 720p Pentile panel.

    That's all that matters because BlackBerry wants to compete against these better 1080p displays with a 720p panel.
    Do you understand that? BlackBerry is not Apple and also uses a bigger screen.

    The only thing your links prove, is that one single phone with a "useless" 1080p display will sell more units than all of BlackBerry smartphones combined.

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    06-17-13 01:56 PM
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