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Several U.S. retailers have seen a pickup in Z10 returns, says Detwiler Fenton in a note that could be pressuring BlackBerry (BBRY -5.2%). Detwiler, which also issued a downbeat note on Z10 demand last month, adds the pace of returns in some cases is exceeding the pace of sales04-11-13 02:59 PMLike 0 - Well, returns CAN exceed sales if consumers are having to return their device mulitple times. You buy one Z10, return it a week later because the battery is junk, they replace it, and a week later you return THAT one because of constant reboots...... You only bought one Z10, but have already returned two. It's not THAT hard to figure out.Dgree03 likes this.04-11-13 02:59 PMLike 1
- Come on! Seriously, here's the math:
you sell 200 in week 1. None are returned.
you sell 150 in week 2. 20 are returned.
you sell 100 in week 3. 120 are returned. Returns now exceed sales for the week.
Gotta read between the lines. Which is what RIM apparently expects its customers to do. We just upgraded our BES in December 2012 and no one mentioned that we would need to upgrade it again for the BB10 to work until after we took delivery on our new z10's. Major Snafu!
Just sent mine back because it decides to reboot itself once or twice a day.BerryWizard likes this.04-11-13 03:08 PMLike 1 -
- The Canadian market was further weakened by declines in financial shares and by a drop in BlackBerry stock as some analysts continued to express doubts about the success of the smartphone maker's turnaround plan.04-11-13 03:11 PMLike 0
- Oh quick run for the hills! Dump BB stock! Someone must have returned a Z10 in the past 2 minutes (could be defective) and no one bought one!
How is it that Bloomberg gets this information anyways when BlackBerry doesn't even post its sales volumes? What a poorly researched article - they are clearly misleading the markets with their voodoo statistics. No carriers mentioned, based entirely on stock price fall and speculation.
Sheesh!...but it must be true 'cause I read it on the Internet. ;-)kbz1960 likes this.04-11-13 03:17 PMLike 1 -
- Oh quick run for the hills! Dump BB stock! Someone must have returned a Z10 in the past 2 minutes (could be defective) and no one bought one!
How is it that Bloomberg gets this information anyways when BlackBerry doesn't even post its sales volumes? What a poorly researched article - they are clearly misleading the markets with their voodoo statistics. No carriers mentioned, based entirely on stock price fall and speculation.
Sheesh!...but it must be true 'cause I read it on the Internet. ;-)BerryWizard likes this.04-11-13 03:19 PMLike 1 - Please, don't shoot the messenger. Just wanted to post this here and see what people's thoughts on this are.
BlackBerry Falls on Reports of Weakening Sales, Returns of Z10 - Bloomberg
�The U.S. launch of the Z10 started poorly and weakened significantly as the days passed,� Joseph Fersedi, an analyst at ITG Investment Research, said today in a note, citing information from independent dealers. Some U.S. retailers are seeing a significant increase in customers returning their Z10s because they find the interface unintuitive, Detwiler Fenton & Co. said today.
�In several cases, returns are now exceeding sales, a phenomenon we have never seen before,� Detwiler Fenton said.
Thoughts?
several can mean three or three thousand million billion. It is funny that the troll argument is IF BB HAD SOLID NUMBERS THEY WOULD RELEASE THEM, but when NEGATIVE information is released WITHOUT NUMBERS it is accepted and used to debase BlackBerry.
INTERWEBZ FTW!peter9477 likes this.04-11-13 03:22 PMLike 1 - Well, I'm NOT giving mine back. There going to have to pry it from my cold dead hands......thats right I said it. Anybody gotta problem wit tatcman5 and BerryWizard like this.04-11-13 03:25 PMLike 2
- This has been well documented. I don't know why you guys didn't know about BB10 & BES. There is an update coming in MAY that will allow BB10 & Legacy BB's to be managed on the same BES Server, till then you will unfortunately need 2 BES servers (though they can be on the same machine & managed with the same interface)04-11-13 03:27 PMLike 0
- I'd rather wait till official numbers are released. I have no issues with my z10. I can say I spoke to a att rep earlier while asking questions about my bill and the rep said they are selling quite a few z10's and she sold 4 out of the 7 she's sold total today.
Posted via CB10peter9477 likes this.04-11-13 03:28 PMLike 1 - iphone - kids/teens/granny phone @ people who have yet to matured and aged around 70++..(easy straight forward phone..use less brain)
android - nerds phone (rooting whatsoever..aircrack bla bla bla)
windows - uncategorized..
blackberry - enterprise business phone made for professional (this kind of people do not play games too much..apps?..whatsapp maybe)cman5 likes this.04-11-13 03:28 PMLike 1 -
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First of all, BB10 was only around for 1 month last quarter in 1 country 3 weeks in another & around 2 weeks in a couple other countries. So you can not honestly compare it's sales to those of an established phone that was being sold during the entire quarter at hundreds of carriers around the world.
2ndly, Where did you get the made up number 500,000 - 600,000?
BBRY shipped 1 Million devices last quarter. Although we do not know how many were sold (BECASUE THEY NEVER RELEASED THAT IFNO), we do know that at that in the countries where is was being sold (UK, Canada, UAE ect.) they were having supply issues due to higher then expected sales. This means they probably sold almost all of that 1 million Z10's. BBRY is currently sitting at 3/4 sell through. So even using the current percentages (which are lower then they were when the phone was first released) your numbers are STILL out to lunch.
Now why don't you pick up your iPhone & run on home lil boy.cman5 and LudwigvonKast like this.04-11-13 03:31 PMLike 2 -
Thanks...
For the 50 people that responded my maths were bad… yeah… I can do maths, my point was it is a misleading statement, possibly with a lot of bias… duh…cman5 likes this.04-11-13 03:33 PMLike 1 -
More anecdotal BB-shorter desperation. I'm sure it's true in a limited sense, but painting a picture of wholesale market rejection is ludicrous: it's a great device with a great OS and great apps with more to come.
Remember: these are the same analysts that talk about "BB having lost so much market share that it will be hard to recover" without stopping to consider the BB7 marketshare is as about as significant to BB10 market share as Symbian is to Windows Phone 8.
The grain of salt is so big it's choking me! And making me thirsty.BerryWizard likes this.04-11-13 03:40 PMLike 1 - Well, blackberry has changed its wording on that several times. Now its you can install the blackberry 10 bes on the same box as your blackberry 5.04 box in May. So, you'll have two different bes instances running on the same box. You can then manage both instances via a management web interface. The whole bes message has been modified multiple times over the past two years and certainly can be confusing if you dosed off here and there through all the presentations.04-11-13 03:42 PMLike 0
- Notice the article comment was based on independent dealers, not Service Provider stores, which the majority of phones are moved through. Local Verizon here said returns were about average for a new phone. I didn't call ATT, but I don't see why it would be any different in the same community. Other articles appear to be contrary to Bloomburg's, wonder why?
Based on your thread and post history OP, I doubt you posted this just for the thoughts of others.Chaddface likes this.04-11-13 03:43 PMLike 1 - First of all, BB10 was only around for 1 month last quarter in 1 country 3 weeks in another & around 2 weeks in a couple other countries. So you can not honestly compare it's sales to those of an established phone that was being sold during the entire quarter at hundreds of carriers around the world.04-11-13 03:49 PMLike 0
- If only BBRY can bow down to the Jewish controlling economy and the illuminati who are controlling the world economy, then i think the Z10 and bbry will be accepted in the US. This is just a conspiracy to bring bbry down. Remember, who us really behind Apple and Google.04-11-13 03:51 PMLike 0
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The thing is that T-Mobile does this with many phones, not just the Z10. If you log in as a customer, the phone shows as sold out. If you log out, the phone is available for sale. T-Mobile's forums have many complaints about this "practice" of maintaining separate inventories for new and existing customers. I have experienced it for myself and knew not to trust that screenshot when it was posted.04-11-13 03:55 PMLike 0 - Just spoke with best buy rep at one of the top stores in Canada - asked if he had had a lot of returns of the Z10 or if returns were generally higher than other smartphones. He said no. Hasn't had hardly any returned.
He has had a couple of people of come in with issues surrounding email and transferring contacts but thanks to Crackberry he gets them straightened out easily.
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