1. donnation's Avatar
    I keep hearing to increase battery life that the Z10 battery needs to be broken in. The Z10 uses an Li-Ion battery and I thought that those batteries don't have the memory effect like a Ni-Cad battery. I'm not sure that conditioning the battery of the Z10 will do anything for it. Just a thought as I keep hearing that posted and while I've tried it just to make sure I didn't notice any difference in battery life. I could be completely wrong on this but I thought for sure that's the way Li-Ion batteries worked.
    05-16-13 10:11 AM
  2. UndeadNinjaa's Avatar
    Never done it and I've never had an issue with battery life. If I have a day that I don't have a charger around or busy and my phone dies at the end of the day, that's due to usage not because I want to "condition" the battery. I don't see why I have to "Condition" the battery. I mean if it works for you then continue doing it. I just see it as a waste of time IMO

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    05-16-13 10:14 AM
  3. UndeadNinjaa's Avatar
    I keep hearing to increase battery life that the Z10 battery needs to be broken in. The Z10 uses an Li-Ion battery and I thought that those batteries don't have the memory effect like a Ni-Cad battery. I'm not sure that conditioning the battery of the Z10 will do anything for it. Just a thought as I keep hearing that posted and while I've tried it just to make sure I didn't notice any difference in battery life. I could be completely wrong on this but I thought for sure that's the way Li-Ion batteries worked.
    Maybe some other users can explain further lol dunno

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    05-16-13 10:15 AM
  4. grumpyaeroguy's Avatar
    Generically, Li Ion batteries, as well as NiMH batteries, CAN benefit from "conditioning". If you have, for example, AA Li or NiMH batteries, along with a good charging station, one can, periodically, run a "refresh" cycle on the batteries which is a software driven charge/recharge cycle with progressive charging currents to, chemically, refresh the battery and condition the chemicals to go back to their maximum capacity.

    My personal experience is that batteries that maxed out at, say, 1300mAh after many use cycles, a "refresh" with a good charging station can get them back (close) to their rated capacity of, say, 2100mAh. Of course, progressive use then begins diminishing that chemical capacity in a predictable, and unavoidable, way. A common "recharge" approach is simply a constant, intermediate, charging current that flows until the battery is not "absorbing" the charge current any more, and the charger detects that. Every common charge cycle will NOT get every last drop of that chemical to convert back chemically. A true "refresh" cycle won't either, but it gets much more of it to convert back than a steady charging current.

    ALl of this being said, the conditioning cycle can take up to 20-24 hours on a AA style battery.

    When folks, here, say I "conditioned" my Z10 battery by running it to the ground, initially, then fully charging it, I do not believe there is any scientific evidence or data that would convince ME that they have actually accomplished anything. Again, a true refresh cycle, chemcially, requires a good algorithm, a charger that can titrate charging and discharging currents accurately, and it is a slow process from a time perspective. Also, the algorithms i refer to are MOST effective if they are, indeed, customized for the particular chemcial profile of the cell in question. Not all, actually very few, Li or NiMH batteries are identical chemcially. Various battery manufacturers still maintain significant intellectual property on the exact chemcial configurations of their cells.

    That's why, for example, energizer rechargables don't have nearly the life and recharge recovery of say, Sanyo eneloops. And, of course, the price points are different as well.

    All of that being said, I have NO CLUE why some insist on "breaking in" their batteries in their PHONE. I doubt the phone has the algorithms I am referring to baked in, and, it would take 24 hours or so for it to be done correctly. I think this is one that can be classified as an "urban myth". (???)

    Now, if someone said that they have an appropriate charging station, tweaked to the exact composition of the supplied phone battery chemistryt, and they did it externally, and told me it took 20-24 HOURS, I would probably say they did it correctly, and probably realized a benefit from that. Otherwise? ..... "urban myth"
    05-16-13 10:27 AM
  5. MiSsY_'s Avatar
    I keep hearing to increase battery life that the Z10 battery needs to be broken in. The Z10 uses an Li-Ion battery and I thought that those batteries don't have the memory effect like a Ni-Cad battery. I'm not sure that conditioning the battery of the Z10 will do anything for it. Just a thought as I keep hearing that posted and while I've tried it just to make sure I didn't notice any difference in battery life. I could be completely wrong on this but I thought for sure that's the way Li-Ion batteries worked.
    I'm not sure what you really mean by conditioning or breaking in the battery.

    What I do know and am pretty certain of is that the battery on the Z10 does significantly improve after a few charging cycles, not to say that fully discharging and then only charging has any relevance, that I'm not sure about.

    Posted via CB10 from my Z10
    05-16-13 11:06 AM
  6. grumpyaeroguy's Avatar
    I'm not sure what you really mean by conditioning or breaking in the battery.

    Posted via CB10 from my Z10
    Conditioning or "breaking in" of a battery simply refers to an initial charge/discharge cycle/strategy that optimizes, as best possible, the chemistry of the battery to allow it to reach its maximum capcity ref stored energy.

    It's a chemical conditioning for lack of a better term. Via charging and discharging, using varying charge and discharge currents, yoou are setting up the battery chemistry to provide its maximum capability. That's all.

    What I do know and am pretty certain of is that the battery on the Z10 does significantly improve after a few charging cycles
    That may be true. A "significant improvement" is NOT synonomous with the battery reaching its "maximum potential". Yoou can improve a car's performance by doing certain things. That does no mean that you have MAXIMIZED its potential performance by a long shot. Best analogy I can come up with right this moment.
    05-16-13 11:45 AM
  7. MiSsY_'s Avatar
    Conditioning or "breaking in" of a battery simply refers to an initial charge/discharge cycle/strategy that optimizes, as best possible, the chemistry of the battery to allow it to reach its maximum capcity ref stored energy.

    It's a chemical conditioning for lack of a better term. Via charging and discharging, using varying charge and discharge currents, yoou are setting up the battery chemistry to provide its maximum capability. That's all.



    That may be true. A "significant improvement" is NOT synonomous with the battery reaching its "maximum potential". Yoou can improve a car's performance by doing certain things. That does no mean that you have MAXIMIZED its potential performance by a long shot. Best analogy I can come up with right this moment.
    Ok well then I can tell you this much.
    I unboxed and used the battery as it was with no charging, almost killed the battery and then charged for the first time. In my first week I didn't interrupt the charge cycle until it was done, now I do occasionally if I need to but that hasn't affected my battery performance. I normally charge over night while I sleep and can safely say that my usage starts a round 8am when I leave for work and my battery can easily last me through to about 11pm if I don't go crazy playing games when the battery level is 20% or below. So I really don't have complaints there.
    But all that said, I don't think my charging patterns are too relevant since my mom got her Z10 at the same time as me, because of her business her phone is permanently glued to her ear, she'll pop the phone into her charger when ever it's near by, I suppose out of habit, but still it shows that she doesn't really have any kind of charge cycle pattern. Yet she doesn't have a spare charger at the office where she spends most of her day, doesnt have one in her car either, so that tells me that her battery is also comfortably lasting her throughout the day. I know my BF got his a week later and has also complimented the battery life.
    The only thing I had told her to do, which I saw recommended on the forum a bunch of times was to only used the charging cable packaged with the device ie. don't use charging cables from a legacy device or PB.
    Dunno if you'll find any relevance in any of that though

    Posted via CB10 from my Z10
    05-17-13 12:15 AM
  8. kingofthebraves's Avatar
    I get tons of new phones a year and not once did I have to break in the battery. The z10 was the only one with extremely bad battery life in the first few days which is weird! But it drastically improved after a week!

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    05-17-13 12:21 AM
  9. crackcookie's Avatar
    Generically, Li Ion batteries, as well as NiMH batteries, CAN benefit from "conditioning". If you have, for example, AA Li or NiMH batteries, along with a good charging station, one can, periodically, run a "refresh" cycle on the batteries which is a software driven charge/recharge cycle with progressive charging currents to, chemically, refresh the battery and condition the chemicals to go back to their maximum capacity.

    My personal experience is that batteries that maxed out at, say, 1300mAh after many use cycles, a "refresh" with a good charging station can get them back (close) to their rated capacity of, say, 2100mAh. Of course, progressive use then begins diminishing that chemical capacity in a predictable, and unavoidable, way. A common "recharge" approach is simply a constant, intermediate, charging current that flows until the battery is not "absorbing" the charge current any more, and the charger detects that. Every common charge cycle will NOT get every last drop of that chemical to convert back chemically. A true "refresh" cycle won't either, but it gets much more of it to convert back than a steady charging current.

    ALl of this being said, the conditioning cycle can take up to 20-24 hours on a AA style battery.

    When folks, here, say I "conditioned" my Z10 battery by running it to the ground, initially, then fully charging it, I do not believe there is any scientific evidence or data that would convince ME that they have actually accomplished anything. Again, a true refresh cycle, chemcially, requires a good algorithm, a charger that can titrate charging and discharging currents accurately, and it is a slow process from a time perspective. Also, the algorithms i refer to are MOST effective if they are, indeed, customized for the particular chemcial profile of the cell in question. Not all, actually very few, Li or NiMH batteries are identical chemcially. Various battery manufacturers still maintain significant intellectual property on the exact chemcial configurations of their cells.

    That's why, for example, energizer rechargables don't have nearly the life and recharge recovery of say, Sanyo eneloops. And, of course, the price points are different as well.

    All of that being said, I have NO CLUE why some insist on "breaking in" their batteries in their PHONE. I doubt the phone has the algorithms I am referring to baked in, and, it would take 24 hours or so for it to be done correctly. I think this is one that can be classified as an "urban myth". (???)

    Now, if someone said that they have an appropriate charging station, tweaked to the exact composition of the supplied phone battery chemistryt, and they did it externally, and told me it took 20-24 HOURS, I would probably say they did it correctly, and probably realized a benefit from that. Otherwise? ..... "urban myth"
    This is what makes CB amazing, it isn't the phones it is the people. I wish I had you by my side when I was talking about anything....please people....like this mans post.....people spend 10x the amount of attention with a troll with 5 posts, but ignore the bests posts right in front of them
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    05-17-13 12:29 AM
  10. inked18's Avatar
    I don't think it's the battery that is being "conditioned" in the first week as much as it is the OS syncing up all your accounts, you downloading and setting up apps, testing the device to the max etc. maybe the battery needs to cycle a couple times but I don't really think that's the big issue.
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    05-17-13 12:43 AM
  11. grumpyaeroguy's Avatar
    I don't think it's the battery that is being "conditioned" in the first week as much as it is the OS syncing up all your accounts, you downloading and setting up apps, testing the device to the max etc. maybe the battery needs to cycle a couple times but I don't really think that's the big issue.
    Excellent comment/observation. You are probably 150% correct.
    05-17-13 08:00 AM
  12. vgorous's Avatar
    I think some mean "breaking in" as to continue to just using the phone and let it do its thing. Like breaking in a car engine.

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    05-17-13 08:34 AM
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