- Curious - what does the memo pad on OS7 give you that remember doesn't?
I'm a heavy Outlook notes user and used memo pad extensively on my old BlackBerrys. Remember pulled in all my notes (both Outlook and Evernote) and syncs them now as changes are made. I'm not missing anything from memo pad.
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Posted via CB1004-13-13 10:55 PMLike 0 - It would seem that the Z10 is not Zen for a lot of folks ...
U.S. Department Of Defense Reportedly Planning To Buy 650,000 iOS Devices After Nixing BB10 To Cut Costs | TechCrunch04-13-13 11:23 PMLike 0 - I don't get why everyone keeps saying " oh it's a new Os so give them slack iphone and android took years to get to where they are now"
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BlackBerry on the otherhand has had bbos 567 to build upon and use it as a guide. And quite frankly its a little disappointing when your flagship phone doesn't come out with the many basics you have had with your other versions.
For example: If I wanted to write a new OS from the ground up that looked and behaved exactly like iOS, it would still take years *even though* I have a fully functional version of iOS available to use as a guide.
Also, BB1-7 are a full platform with both client and server components. One of the hardest tasks BlackBerry had was to create a new client OS *AND* integrate their legacy infrastructure (e.g.: the transition from PINs to BBIDs is one example).
This is called "integration", and the fact that the other phone vendors didn't have any legacy software to worry about actually made much of their development easier since they had a fully clean slate.04-14-13 04:03 AMLike 0 -
Who needs Detwiler & Fenton when you have CrackBerry members themselves reposting FALSE negative press??
Defense spokesman says DoD not dumping BlackBerry - ComputerworldR Field and maxdaniels like this.04-14-13 04:06 AMLike 2 - It would seem that the Z10 is not Zen for a lot of folks ...
U.S. Department Of Defense Reportedly Planning To Buy 650,000 iOS Devices After Nixing BB10 To Cut Costs | TechCrunch
Defense spokesman says DoD not dumping BlackBerry - Computerworld
In a telephone interview, the DoD spokesman said he didn't know where Electronista got its information, but added, "it is not from an official DoD source." He also said the BlackBerry's future at the Defense Department is still very much alive.
"We are not dumping BlackBerry as Electronista and others have indicated," said the spokesman, Air Force Lt. Col. Damien Pickart. "We're moving to multiple devices, and that includes BlackBerry."
The DoD spokesman also released the following statement via email confirming his earlier comments:
"The department is aware of recent reporting that asserts it is 'dropping' BlackBerry. This reporting is in error. The department recently released its mobility strategy and supporting implementation plan, which clarifies we are moving towards a mobile management capability that supports a variety of devices, to include BlackBerry. As clarified in the recent release of our Commercial Mobile Device Implementation Plan, we are working towards establishing a multi-vendor environment in support of the DoD mobility strategy.maxdaniels likes this.04-14-13 04:12 AMLike 1 - Dude.. It's version 1 of phone 1. At least wait till an update. We're still at 10.0.
All the issues you listed will be added.
Blackberry took two years to build what Apply and Google spent 4 years making for their first phone. There's a lot coming in the next two or three updates
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Posted via CB1004-14-13 04:36 AMLike 0 - Curious - what does the memo pad on OS7 give you that remember doesn't?
I'm a heavy Outlook notes user and used memo pad extensively on my old BlackBerrys. Remember pulled in all my notes (both Outlook and Evernote) and syncs them now as changes are made. I'm not missing anything from memo pad.
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Posted via CB1004-14-13 04:45 AMLike 0 - I tried using Remember and have continued to try using Remember and I can't stand it. I download the Memo Pad app today to try to make that work but I don't think I can make it work without re-typing all my notes one by one so while Remember works for you and many others, I have zero use for it as an alternative to my MemoPad on my Bold.
Posted via CB1004-14-13 05:10 AMLike 0 - Hi Maverick sorry for only quote your post in parts instead the whole post. I just want to post my thoughts on your points without judging your thoughts, hope it's okay with you. Here we go
2. The Calendar, Setting alarms from the Calendar on BB10. Guess what you can't, and Santa Claus isn't real either (while I am bursting bubbles).
3 The Sounds. You know how with the Blackberry you could set all those cool sounds and vibration patterns for your emails and texts so that you knew what you were getting so you would know if it was important to pull out your phone in the middle of an meeting at work. Well you this has been dumbed down to the point that you can have different sounds
4. Notes, ... What notes??
5. Contacts, I had an iPhone before this so I had my contacts in iCloud which was good since I still had my Blackberry Protect account, but wont go into that until number 6.
6. Blackberry Protect, one of the greatest phone syncing apps ever crafted I would put it above iCloud and Google Sync for Droid any day.
Totally understand your frustration on this new toy, but for me, i will give it a shot for another 6 months to see what improvements bbry can make to make it more superior.
We can always fall in love with each OS. For me, i just separate each of their function so I could fall in love with them equally hahaha
Just a thought from fellow users
Posted via CB1004-14-13 05:16 AMLike 0 - That's exactly how I use it and it works the same way. I have a folder in Remember called "Notes" that was created as soon as I set up my Exchange account. It has all my outlook notes in it and syncs with outlook. I add notes exactly the same way I did with Memo pad. As soon as I add or edit a note it gets added to my outlook. I really can't see a difference other than the ability to add more folders and change their colors.
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The new OS is lacking these features so now there's little reason not to look at other options. What a lot of legacy BlackBerry owners wanted was a BBOS "8" phone with a 1.5 GHZ dual core processor, 2 GB RAM, a 1280 X 768 screen, and front facing camera. Those specs would have eliminated the hour glass and lag on legacy devices and would have been a much more functional product.
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Yeah.. from the ZED on CB1004-14-13 06:24 AMLike 0 - Rather than pursuing other OS options, I, for one, will simply get a back-up OS7 device (BB Bold 9900) for the day when my current OS7 Bold 9900 craps out. So perhaps BBRY really could care less about existing BB users since we have stuck with BB despite the far better alternatives compared to the OS7 because we are beholden to the core BB attributes like pin-to-pin, BIS, MemoPad, customized notifications, etc. while we have put up with a devastatingly lousy browsing experience for so long.
The biggest disappointment is that rather than rewarding long standing BB users, BBRY has decided to abandon so much of what we valued as attributes in favor of just catching up to iOS/Android for most features and only surpassing iOS/Android with the browsing experience, keyboard and the Hub.
The question therefore for BBRY is whether enough current iOS/Android users will see the browsing experience, keyboard and Hub as reasons enough to turn their backs on devices like the iPhone and Android. I have serious doubts on whether that will happen and even if it did whether it will happen for large enough numbers of consumers to make BB10 relevant.
There has to be a company in existence for it to reward its existing customers, and they had to take a chance to stop the company from dying a slow death.
Their business gamble is exactly your third paragraph. They have rolled those dice... and only time will tell of it was the right decision.
Yeah.. from the ZED on CB1004-14-13 06:53 AMLike 0 - There is not one single line of code from BB1 through BB7 that is in BB10.
For example: If I wanted to write a new OS from the ground up that looked and behaved exactly like iOS, it would still take years *even though* I have a fully functional version of iOS available to use as a guide.
Also, BB1-7 are a full platform with both client and server components. One of the hardest tasks BlackBerry had was to create a new client OS *AND* integrate their legacy infrastructure (e.g.: the transition from PINs to BBIDs is one example).
This is called "integration", and the fact that the other phone vendors didn't have any legacy software to worry about actually made much of their development easier since they had a fully clean slate.
Consumers are familiar with the BB brand.
At one time, the BB brand had such cachet that its products were described as addictive, innovative and industry-leading/beating. Prior to the BB, the trend in mobile phones was for smaller and more compact. Who would have thought at the time that some of the massive smartphones like the Nexus 4 would even be competitive just a decade later?
Sadly for BBRY, time did not standstill and other products in the same category outpaced and eventually outdistanced the innovation at RIM to create smartphones which thousands perhaps even millions flocked to while abandoning their BBs.
So, I would argue that, whether or not BB10 is a totally new OS or built on top of previous BB OSes is completely irrelevant to consumers and, therefore, completely irrelevant to the Z10s success.
Just as the vast majority of smartphone consumers had written off previous BB OS devices, the risk is significant that the Z10 will similarly be discarded until BB10 is capable of fully meeting consumer expectations.
Trying to argue that consumers should treat the Z10 like it treated the first generation iPhone or the first generation Samsung Android devices may resonate with a tiny minority of consumers but the huge majority (as in 99%) will be comparing the Z10 alongside the iPhone 5 (and, soon, the iPhone 5S or even 6) and the Galaxy S3 and S4 not only because the devices are all priced similarly but also because BBRY's marketing and PR positioning has been to pit the Z10 squarely against these devices.cwalt2166 likes this.04-14-13 07:08 AMLike 1 -
- Just move on then. It's obvious you don't like BB10 but as someone who has used Android, iOS, and WebOS I can see there is a lot of greatness in BB10.
People who magnify every little deficiency go overboard and don't even really want to give it a chance so just move on to what works for you. You don't need to come on here and sound like a broken record saying they're going out of business as what does that accomplish?
Posted Via CB10 on my Zed1004-14-13 09:10 AMLike 0 - I moved straight from flip phone to z10.
Agree with all those saying "No more apologists please" and "Stop calling people trolls and fanboys when they describe their problems and frustrations"
BlackBerry still benefits from millions being willing to let them have more time, to refine the bb10 OS, but We Here Are Not making progress when we pollute our discussion threads with posts about anything other than ID'ing the problems.
Posted via CB10anon(5828343) likes this.04-14-13 09:19 AMLike 1 - Got my Z10 a week ago, and am standing by BlackBerry, that's my decision. However....This was a big investment, I paid to upgrade early, and find many of the core perks of previous BB's absent (can't group contacts, no 1 swipe/touch option to pull up contact list from hub, calendar not on hub, call history for contact is less detailed, etc....) Would love to see calendar and contacts in the drop-down shade at the top of screen in hub.... I do have faith these added touches will come about in future updates and I hope and pray I am correct in putting my faith in this. It would be really nice though, to receive more communication from BlackBerry's end... about their intentions to add some of these features, for all of us faithful. My last BB came with 30 days of free support, and this one none, and I see there's no longer a number to call or email BB and they have been Completely Silent... would like to hear more from their end and see more marketing in US to get this off the ground and succeed in the long run.anon(5828343) and Davidro1 like this.04-14-13 10:45 AMLike 2
- Originally Posted by ihys
I don't get why everyone keeps saying " oh it's a new Os so give them slack iphone and android took years to get to where they are now"
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BlackBerry on the otherhand has had bbos 567 to build upon and use it as a guide. And quite frankly its a little disappointing when your flagship phone doesn't come out with the many basics you have had with your other versions.
There is not one single line of code from BB1 through BB7 that is in BB10.
For example: If I wanted to write a new OS from the ground up that looked and behaved exactly like iOS, it would still take years *even though* I have a fully functional version of iOS available to use as a guide.
Also, BB1-7 are a full platform with both client and server components. One of the hardest tasks BlackBerry had was to create a new client OS *AND* integrate their legacy infrastructure (e.g.: the transition from PINs to BBIDs is one example).
This is called "integration", and the fact that the other phone vendors didn't have any legacy software to worry about actually made much of their development easier since they had a fully clean slate.
I don't think the diehard BB folks are as upset about "bugs", as much as they are at complete omissions of certain well liked features from previous devices. That is not a product of re-writing code, that is a product of oversight.
When the new Chrysler 300 was completely rebuilt from the ground up (literally new car from springs to brakes to engine and chassis), they weren't expecting people to compare it to cars made during the original 300 era...they compare it to cars made here and now. I cannot stand hearing that point made over and over on here as if that is a legitimate argument for the bugs and omissions on this phone. Give me a break!
Sent from my RM-820_nam_att_100 using Foroplex04-14-13 11:03 AMLike 0 - I don't think the diehard BB folks are as upset about "bugs", as much as they are at complete omissions of certain well liked features from previous devices. That is not a product of re-writing code, that is a product of oversight.
When the new Chrysler 300 was completely rebuilt from the ground up (literally new car from springs to brakes to engine and chassis), they weren't expecting people to compare it to cars made during the original 300 era...they compare it to cars made here and now. I cannot stand hearing that point made over and over on here as if that is a legitimate argument for the bugs and omissions on this phone. Give me a break!
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It be the same with windows 95 all the way to windows 8 now. With each new Os none of the old code was in the new version but they kept what worked and brought those features to the new Os. Imagine if windows took off task manager or the start menu bar for Windows 7. Everyone uses it and is a valuable tool. windows 8 is getting a lot of flak because it's entirely new but they still gave the option to use the start menu instead of metro.
Now kind of inexcusable for BlackBerry to not have these features. Since its their bread and butter, what they bragged about in their old oses. And kind of odd that they don't have them on their saving grace phone.
Your car analogy imagine what Chrysler is known for and when they made the 300 they didn't have it in that car. It's not like they reinvented the wheel. They just made their cars more efficient, or powerful and added more features.
Now if they built a flying car now that's something entirely new and your analogy would work. Can't comprehensive anything old with a flying car. They have no past experiences no anything to guide them they are at the exploration stage basically. And you could give them slack for that.
It's the same with bb10 they didn't make something totally innovative. New Os yes with a cool hub feature. But everything is pretty much the same os wise beside the interface.
You know maybe if they made 3d phones, holographic displays or something where no one else has it then yeah that's groundbreaking and new and can't compare to anything
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anon(5828343) likes this.04-14-13 11:41 AMLike 1 - Did the old blackberry have multiple alarms? Wasn't it just when you're in the clock and press the track pad would bring up the alarm? Where are the other?
Posted via CB1004-14-13 12:05 PMLike 0 - My last BB came with 30 days of free support, and this one none, and I see there's no longer a number to call or email BB and they have been Completely Silent... would like to hear more from their end and see more marketing in US to get this off the ground and succeed in the long run.04-14-13 12:11 PMLike 2
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