[joeldf]

My first point is that just because something is "leaked" from BlackBerry does not make it safe: not for the user and not for BlackBerry itself.

My second point is all these "leaks" are damaging for BlackBerry because while they assuage a minority of tech-savvy users, they undermine the brand in the eyes of the average consumer/prosumer/enterprise customer.

I disagree.

I would point out that the "average" consumer / prosumer / enterprise customer would really not know, or could care less, about "leaks". Especially when it comes to OS leaks, or the ability to grab official releases from other carriers.

You never see stories on the USA Today or CNN tech sections about all the BB OS 10 leaks that have occurred over the past year. And that is where these "average" people get their information and form opinions about a brand.

I've not seen one story on eWeek, or Business Insider discussing the leak of OS 10.2.1.1055, or any prior leak.

Not one.

So tell me, where would this negative perception of BlackBerry come from as it relates to OS leaks?

The stories you do see in those sites I mentioned? BlackBerry fires a bunch more people, BlackBerry tries to sell itself, BlackBerry "fails" at trying to sell itself (as if that's a negative), BlackBerry let's a few more upper management people go...

That's where your "average" consumer / prosumer / enterprise customer gets their perception of the brand.

The "minority of tech-savvy users" happen to be the only ones that are even aware of the leaks in the first place.


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[RazrRob]

assuage - i had to look that one up

time for popcorn!

[lui22]

Yeah



- Yar I be a pirate because according Phil & Co. At Android Central because I am running 10.2.1 and side load!

[tatail]

Carriers don't make any OS at all. Even on OS10, they can only push their warez to your device, via SIM recognition.

I know that, I was just referring to it from other people's prospective who the think the only software pushed by carrier is official..

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[Mecca EL]

I disagree.

I would point out that the "average" consumer / prosumer / enterprise customer would really not know, or could care less, about "leaks". Especially when it comes to OS leaks, or the ability to grab official releases from other carriers.

You never see stories on the USA Today or CNN tech sections about all the BB OS 10 leaks that have occurred over the past year. And that is where these "average" people get their information and form opinions about a brand.

I've not seen one story on eWeek, or Business Insider discussing the leak of OS 10.2.1.1055, or any prior leak.

Not one.

So tell me, where would this negative perception of BlackBerry come from as it relates to OS leaks?

The stories you do see in those sites I mentioned? BlackBerry fires a bunch more people, BlackBerry tries to sell itself, BlackBerry "fails" at trying to sell itself (as if that's a negative), BlackBerry let's a few more upper management people go...

That's where your "average" consumer / prosumer / enterprise customer gets their perception of the brand.

The "minority of tech-savvy users" happen to be the only ones that are even aware of the leaks in the first place.


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Amen!!!

[anon(3732391)]

I thought we came to the understanding that we can
Agree to disagree.

With that said: I believe most of us Agree that we Disagree!

But, don't stop on my account. Carry on.......
PLEEEZZZZZZZZ!

[thurman]

Would be nice to get updated.

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[funkymixx]

I have an unlocked z30 running on the T-Mobile network in the US with 10.2.1 LEAK and it runs very smooth.

[p1800nut]

Well said Sir!

There are step by step instructions for loading an OS if you choose to go that route.

I'm ready to take the plunge (my $199 Z10 is finally due to arrive tomorrow!), but I keep finding conflicting or confusing advice. Where are these step by step instructions of which you speak?

[curvezzz]

I'm ready to take the plunge (my $199 Z10 is finally due to arrive tomorrow!), but I keep finding conflicting or confusing advice. Where are these step by step instructions of which you speak?

http://m.crackberry.com/how-get-os-102-update-right-now

Non destructive install

? AT&T Z10 STL100-3/10.2.0.1791 ?

[Douken]

I can't believe some people here get irritated by a troll and go and play his game.... anyways

The important question here. I have a Z10STL100-3/10.1.0.4780 on T-Mobile

Which 10.2 OS/Radio combination is the best to use?

You are now in my Bingo Book

[scrannel]

I believe in the US the FCC requires a "testing" period for any phone software before it is allowed in our market. Usually, it is a formality. But sometimes takes time. I'm on T-Mo running stock. Everything works perfectly. I need wifi-calling so have little interest in pooching it with a leak.

[00stryder]

I am using the same hybrid! Call quality is not stellar on WIFI. Howver, if you absolutely need wifi calling, this is your best option. I downgraded from 10.2.1 because I never knew the value of half wifi calling to none. Hope it helps you.

Lol I'm on Verizon so doesn't affect me per se, but I'll let my brother know. Thanks for the insight!

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[quailallstar]

How to get the OS 10.2 update right now | CrackBerry.com

Non destructive install

? AT&T Z10 STL100-3/10.2.0.1791 ?

Would updating to 10.2 for T-Mobile include wifi calling as well?

[joeldf]

I believe in the US the FCC requires a "testing" period for any phone software before it is allowed in our market. Usually, it is a formality. But sometimes takes time. I'm on T-Mo running stock. Everything works perfectly. I need wifi-calling so have little interest in pooching it with a leak.

The FCC only tests the physical phones before they can be sold in the US. Making sure our brains don't turn to jelly while making a call, and that all signals stay within their stated frequencies and not interfere with adjacent bands. And a bunch of other, I'm sure, very important stuff.

The FCC may have some technical requirement for the carriers in testing new software, but I don't believe such issues would hold up release for this long. The carriers have had 10.2 way longer than any previous OS before releasing it. They've certainly had 10.1.0.4780 long enough to release that MR. I ran it a while, and it was almost perfect - didn't even have the deleted SMS issue that the initial MR release had.

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[Derlitz]

I believe in the US the FCC requires a "testing" period for any phone software before it is allowed in our market. Usually, it is a formality. But sometimes takes time. I'm on T-Mo running stock. Everything works perfectly. I need wifi-calling so have little interest in pooching it with a leak.

I'm on T-Mobile US, running 10.2.1.1055, and I have FCC approval. As someone else stated, they only test the hardware.


Edit: someone in this thread has stated that they have wifi calling with 10.2.0.1803, and someone else says they have it working with 10.2.1.1055, I've tried both of these OSes multiple times each and can't get it working, personally. The best build I've had it working with is 10.2.0.1791 using the 10.2.0.811 radio file. As I've said though, you'll have a "General Error" message pop up when sending SMS/MMS over wifi, and this will only work on a Z10. I've heard it does BAD things to a Q10.

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[shai404]

I have an unlocked z30 running on the T-Mobile network in the US with 10.2.1 LEAK and it runs very smooth.

Wifi calling?

Z10/Q10/Z30

[Benjamin_NYC]

Wifi calling?

Z10/Q10/Z30

Of course not. No leaks. No betas. Ever. Keep Wifi Calling. Stick to Official OS Only.

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[Derlitz]

Wifi calling?

Z10/Q10/Z30

Despite what a certain person has to say, I've asked around a bit, and many users say they still have wifi calling on their Z30's, and some still have it on Z10's as well.

In many ways the "leaks" are superior to the "approved" versions. (Most of them are approved from different companies. It's just that the US carriers are dragging their heels. It seems like they don't want us to continue using BlackBerry... kind of like the aforementioned "certain person"... I'm getting sidetracked again.) They bring lots of new features, fix bugs, extend battery life, etc.

Posted via CB10 on my seksi Z10 (STL100-3 | OS 10.2.1.1055)

[00stryder]

The one thing I'll say about the 10.2.1.1055 leak though, is the battery life. Yikes... (the other bugs aren't that big of a deal)

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[Derlitz]

The one thing I'll say about the 10.2.1.1055 leak though, is the battery life. Yikes... (the other bugs aren't that big of a deal)

Posted via CB10

Agreed. Hopefully, that will be MUCH improved in the later 10.2.1 builds.

Posted via CB10 on my seksi Z10 (STL100-3 | OS 10.2.1.1055)

[curvezzz]

The one thing I'll say about the 10.2.1.1055 leak though, is the battery life. Yikes... (the other bugs aren't that big of a deal)

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Shhhh





? AT&T Z10 STL100-3/10.2.0.1791 ?

[Benjamin_NYC]

Shhhh





? AT&T Z10 STL100-3/10.2.0.1791 ?

Killing me!

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[Its Spade]

Of course not. No leaks. No betas. Ever. Keep Wifi Calling. Stick to Official OS Only.

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You do realize..... people with "official" os still have wifi problems...




Squircle device powered by 10.2.1.1733

[dgreatez]

I'm still waiting