1. zten's Avatar
    It seems that the random re booting may he related to the QNX neutrino kernel and the way it handles process trees. I can only say I have heard this from a credible person. It seems like a combination of software and hardware (processor) issue.

    Here is a link of how QNX works


    http://www.qnx.com/developers/docs/6.../overview.html

    Micro kernel is

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    05-19-13 06:31 PM
  2. ray689's Avatar
    The question is if this is the case, can they fix it with software updates only?

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    05-19-13 06:36 PM
  3. zten's Avatar
    The question is if this is the case, can they fix it with software updates only?

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    I don't know I'm not a programmer or hardware engineer I was just told that. Maybe someone experienced can analyze that information and let us know what they think.

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    05-19-13 06:37 PM
  4. ray689's Avatar
    I don't know I'm not a programmer or hardware engineer I was just told that. Maybe someone experienced can analyze that information and let us know what they think.

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    Oh I was hoping your source may have shed some light. Hopefully some of the experts here can give us an idea. Thanks.

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    05-19-13 06:39 PM
  5. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    If that was the case blackberry would of mentioned it, and/or fixed it already.

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    05-19-13 06:40 PM
  6. Omnitech's Avatar
    It seems that the random re booting may he related to the QNX neutrino kernel and the way it handles process trees. I can only say I have heard this from a credible person. It seems like a combination of software and hardware (processor) issue.

    Here is a link of how QNX works


    QNX Developer Support

    Micro kernel is

    I see no reason why the QNX architecture makes the device more prone to rebooting. In actual fact, QNX itself is one of the most reliable OS's in the world. But Blackberry 10 is not simply QNX, it is a variety of software and hardware bundled with the QNX core to make a complex product. In fact, I would argue, most likely quite a bit more complex than most other traditional QNX products, with way more control handed to its mostly non-technical users than is generally the case on most QNX embedded systems. (By far)

    It is the implementation that I believe is at fault here, not the underlying kernel architecture.
    05-19-13 06:40 PM
  7. ray689's Avatar
    If that was the case blackberry would of mentioned it, and/or fixed it already.

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    If it's a hardware issue also then it would be disastrous. Let's hope not but I see what you're saying.

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    05-19-13 06:44 PM
  8. Omnitech's Avatar
    And for what it's worth, I believe the issue will probably turn out to be cellular-radio related. It just so happens that that is probably one of the most unique aspects of these smartphone devices compared to a "traditional" QNX product. It would make sense to me that a glitch would occur in a product aspect which is not something QNX has a long history of experience with.
    05-19-13 06:45 PM
  9. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    If it's a hardware issue also then it would be disastrous. Let's hope not but I see what you're saying.

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    If it was hardware I would also be rebooting

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    05-19-13 06:47 PM
  10. Asmooh's Avatar
    If it was every single bb10 user should have that problem

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    05-19-13 06:49 PM
  11. zten's Avatar
    From what I was told it's a combination of software and hardware (processor) whatever that means.

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    05-19-13 06:51 PM
  12. dannyd86's Avatar
    If it was every single bb10 user should have that problem

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    Exactly. No reboots on my phone. Only time I've ever turned off my phone was to fix and problem with the android runtime

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    jojo beaconsfield and Spawn12 like this.
    05-19-13 06:54 PM
  13. dierre's Avatar
    If it was hardware I would also be rebooting

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    It could depend or batch and or processor though too although fingers are mostly being pointed to United States radios.

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    05-19-13 07:02 PM
  14. zten's Avatar
    It could depend or batch and or processor though too although fingers are mostly being pointed to United States radios.

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    It's some sort of combination of software and processor issue regarding QNX micro kernel and the processor. That's all my person told me I'm not saying this is true but it sure is interesting and it comes from someone who has access to this information.

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    05-19-13 07:12 PM
  15. zten's Avatar
    Bump

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    05-19-13 07:20 PM
  16. Omnitech's Avatar
    Bump

    What are you doing that for? 8 minutes after last post?
    05-19-13 07:22 PM
  17. Asmooh's Avatar
    In the us they got the omap cpu, right?
    We got the -2 version with snapdragon a15 krait. Dualcore 1.5 + 4G

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    05-19-13 07:23 PM
  18. Phill_UK's Avatar
    In the us they got the omap cpu, right?
    We got the -2 version with snapdragon a15 krait. Dualcore 1.5 + 4G
    So wrong.
    05-19-13 07:26 PM
  19. h20work's Avatar
    What are you doing that for? 8 minutes after last post?
    In case you missed it in the other threads they posted it in
    05-19-13 07:35 PM
  20. Asmooh's Avatar
    @phill_uk correct me than if u know it better

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    05-19-13 07:40 PM
  21. h20work's Avatar
    @phill_uk correct me than if u know it better

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    Omap is only one the -1 which isn't available in the US
    05-19-13 07:47 PM
  22. Omnitech's Avatar
    In case you missed it in the other threads they posted it in

    Oh, lovely.
    05-19-13 07:49 PM
  23. sooman54's Avatar
    I have the same QNX neutrino kernel on my phone as everyone else.
    I have the same processor as everyone else.
    What I don't have is reboots.

    So there goes that 'credible person's' theory right out the window,
    ...or off the tracks,
    ....or all to h ell.
    (choose one)

    It might be an idea to stop posting one guy's theory on every thread on CB.
    05-19-13 07:57 PM
  24. zten's Avatar
    I have the same QNX neutrino kernel on my phone as everyone else.
    I have the same processor as everyone else.
    What I don't have is reboots.

    So there goes that 'credible person's' theory right out the window,
    ...or off the tracks,
    ....or all to h ell.
    (choose one)

    It might be an idea to stop posting one guy's theory on every thread on CB.
    It's a valid theory coming from a credible source, no need to get angry you can easily discredit it and not post here.

    Did I once state that it's a definitive issue affecting every single z10? Obviously not. All I said is that it has something to do with the process tree, involving the QNX Micro kernel and the processor. I don't have more info, I don't know how this issue works and what causes it to affect some phones and not others. It's just information I was given. That's all, just as credible as any other theory regarding this issue.


    Calm down.

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    05-19-13 08:08 PM
  25. FBA's Avatar
    If that was the case blackberry would of mentioned it, and/or fixed it already.

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    Sure, just like they always do huh?
    05-19-13 08:57 PM
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