- That was practically a year after launch, too. Im suddenly wondering if they were waiting to see if they even needed to bother with ironing out the rough edges if they’d gotten bought.10-12-21 02:53 PMLike 0
- I think that was one of the contributing factors to BB10’s failure, as far as I can remember even the latest release still didn’t include an auto BCC feature for sent emails.
I remember it being a big shock the number of compromises I needed to make when I switched from BBOS 7.1 to BB10, how wrong was I to think BB10 would be a step forward when I took the plunge way back in 2013!
It did mature quite well but still, at launch it was a mess and first impressions really count particularly with a new OS!10-12-21 04:54 PMLike 0 -
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- That’s how much an epic failure BB10 was from a development cost and negative cash flow standpoint. When BB10 was finally introduced with Z10 at beginning of 2013, it wasn’t quite ready but had already been delayed by a year. Within a few short months, the overwhelming returns and lack of sales had done nothing to stem the negative cash flow. BlackBerry Limited was shopped around for sale since it’s cash level had gotten so low it was in danger of violating lending covenants and filing bankruptcy.10-12-21 08:57 PMLike 0
- That’s how much an epic failure BB10 was from a development cost and negative cash flow standpoint. When BB10 was finally introduced with Z10 at beginning of 2013, it wasn’t quite ready but had already been delayed by a year. Within a few short months, the overwhelming returns and lack of sales had done nothing to stem the negative cash flow. BlackBerry Limited was shopped around for sale since it’s cash level had gotten so low it was in danger of violating lending covenants and filing bankruptcy.
In the end I wonder if they really expected QNX to save them or if they were just going through the motions....10-13-21 01:32 PMLike 0 - Many people complain about what BB10 and Playbook was missing, but these were mostly just apps and some 'nice' features. Even the original Playbook with its webmail was just fine (in my opinion). What people missed is that the OS itself was generally stable and complete.
I struggle to recall the last time this 'dead' OS crashed or did something unexpectedly bad, even in the early days.
In contrast, even as Windows Mobile 10 started its last year of life, it was buggy enough to be almost unusable. The last year of updates brought substantial improvements, but it still has odd glitches which force me to reboot the phone (these are not app related, stupid stuff like cellular data not taking effect, buttons failing to respond, etc)
Even iOS 15, this has stupid glitches in the basic apps (like the browser) and having to manage a plethora of iDevices in the family highlights all sorts of basic OS bugs & issues which never gets much press mention.10-20-21 11:24 AMLike 0 - Many people complain about what BB10 and Playbook was missing, but these were mostly just apps and some 'nice' features. Even the original Playbook with its webmail was just fine (in my opinion). What people missed is that the OS itself was generally stable and complete.
I struggle to recall the last time this 'dead' OS crashed or did something unexpectedly bad, even in the early days.
In contrast, even as Windows Mobile 10 started its last year of life, it was buggy enough to be almost unusable. The last year of updates brought substantial improvements, but it still has odd glitches which force me to reboot the phone (these are not app related, stupid stuff like cellular data not taking effect, buttons failing to respond, etc)
Even iOS 15, this has stupid glitches in the basic apps (like the browser) and having to manage a plethora of iDevices in the family highlights all sorts of basic OS bugs & issues which never gets much press mention.pdr733 likes this.10-20-21 11:53 AMLike 1 - Many people complain about what BB10 and Playbook was missing, but these were mostly just apps and some 'nice' features. Even the original Playbook with its webmail was just fine (in my opinion). What people missed is that the OS itself was generally stable and complete.
I struggle to recall the last time this 'dead' OS crashed or did something unexpectedly bad, even in the early days.
In contrast, even as Windows Mobile 10 started its last year of life, it was buggy enough to be almost unusable. The last year of updates brought substantial improvements, but it still has odd glitches which force me to reboot the phone (these are not app related, stupid stuff like cellular data not taking effect, buttons failing to respond, etc)
Even iOS 15, this has stupid glitches in the basic apps (like the browser) and having to manage a plethora of iDevices in the family highlights all sorts of basic OS bugs & issues which never gets much press mention.
While I agree it's stable now it's also static... if BB10 had moved forward and added new features and kept up with security patches, you would have seen more bugs in it as well.
Nothing magical about QNX or BB10. I do admit that BlackBerry's focuses on communications and the way HUB was part of the OS was really nice. But that was a design choice....10-20-21 11:59 AMLike 0 - Many people complain about what BB10 and Playbook was missing, but these were mostly just apps and some 'nice' features. Even the original Playbook with its webmail was just fine (in my opinion). What people missed is that the OS itself was generally stable and complete.
I struggle to recall the last time this 'dead' OS crashed or did something unexpectedly bad, even in the early days.
In contrast, even as Windows Mobile 10 started its last year of life, it was buggy enough to be almost unusable. The last year of updates brought substantial improvements, but it still has odd glitches which force me to reboot the phone (these are not app related, stupid stuff like cellular data not taking effect, buttons failing to respond, etc)
Even iOS 15, this has stupid glitches in the basic apps (like the browser) and having to manage a plethora of iDevices in the family highlights all sorts of basic OS bugs & issues which never gets much press mention.10-20-21 01:56 PMLike 0 - 10-20-21 02:03 PMLike 0
- I guess back in the day this was wrong: https://crackberry.com/android-runti...more-meets-eye10-20-21 02:06 PMLike 0
- Maybe - I never used a lot of android apps but I've never had to do a security wipe with either of my two devices. Right now I'm running 12 android apps on my Passport which has been going uninterrupted by autoloader or security wipes for 7 years. From my point of view that's pretty stable for tech from 2012. Gotta soon do my Passport though!10-20-21 02:14 PMLike 0
- I guess back in the day this was wrong: https://crackberry.com/android-runti...more-meets-eye
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I was very much in the thick of it, so I have a very firm recollection of the events.10-20-21 02:49 PMLike 0 - Either way, eight (8) years ago in time and context is forever and 1/2 of eternity in where life has evolved from every perspective objectively let alone subjectively.10-20-21 02:53 PMLike 0
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Posted via CB1010-20-21 02:57 PMLike 0 - Yeah, my point was waaayy back then, the runtime was considered quite well done but of course it's pretty crude today. I don't think it was ever really supposed to be a be all to end all solution for running apps but it certainly satisfied me at the time. YMMV.10-20-21 03:14 PMLike 0
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I would have like to have seen BB10 without it.... just to see what it might have been. But there was no future without it... or with it.10-20-21 03:54 PMLike 0 - Maybe - I never used a lot of android apps but I've never had to do a security wipe with either of my two devices. Right now I'm running 12 android apps on my Passport which has been going uninterrupted by autoloader or security wipes for 7 years. From my point of view that's pretty stable for tech from 2012. Gotta soon do my Passport though!10-20-21 03:58 PMLike 0
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- I guess I didn't notice that. Cannot think if I even had any apps giving notifications other than native. Not surprising though considering how integrated into the OS the Hub is/was. Maybe over time they could have solved that but anyway the whole thing was doomed as we all know. I just think that for the time it was a fairly cool solution (cool but doomed).mikael11 likes this.10-20-21 04:33 PMLike 1
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