My company just turned down Z10 because of the 30 day email option
- Bla1zeCB OGI thought this was a huge issue as well but having had my device since Jan 30th, I've yet to come across a point in time in which I needed to make use of anything beyond the allowed limit. I'm sure it will come eventually but as of now, it hasn't been an issue.dresz likes this.03-29-13 11:15 PMLike 1
- The issue is not that the phone can't handle a months worth of email or beyond its that upon setup, you can't have a history of more than a month of emails. No one here has said one thing about the phone not being able to have more than a month of email in the future. It about history. I for one was not clear on this so I asked instead of giving an opinion of what others have said. But I guess that some of do read many post before deciding to start typing in the box.
Posted via CB10 on my Z10
I am just trying to focus on what Blackberry may do to retain and add corporate customers. All the personal opinions and workarounds are valid for us but, in this thread, not valid to tlegend2012's IT dept and possibly to other corporate customers.h20work likes this.03-29-13 11:17 PMLike 1 - I agree with the IT department, (was a CIO). If 30 + it is a requirement for your job, work arounds will not work for such a large roll out (not all users can deal with them). They need to have it work, before they let people use it for work.
When BB gets it working they should reconsider the z10.pandapurple and h20work like this.03-29-13 11:20 PMLike 2 - I own a retail clothing store (no IT) and get 25 to 50+ emails a day depending which day, and have experienced this problem. My work around was adding gmail to my home screen and saving my info in the browser. And I can load any amount of email I choose.
Posted via CB10Plazmic Flame likes this.03-29-13 11:48 PMLike 1 - I have to agree that 30 limit is very silly. Numerous reasons and workarounds have been given in this thread and I can feel a lot of passion by every supportors here.. but personally its plan silly..
Yea, we can pdf or screen shot.. but wasn't the whole idea of blackberry been very efficient and productive? Isn't that's the key advantage people look for when buying a blackberry. (its definitely true for me own a 9700, 9900 and now a z10).
No reason you need to keep emails over 30 days? For some users, I agree.. but lets keep an open mind that a lot of other users do need that.. and it's not even one of those corner case scenarios..
I like this forum.. been reading heaps about it.. lots of very helpful people assisting each other.. but lately, the tones seems to be very defensive.. its becoming like just another apple forums.. hope we can all accept the z10 is not the best phone in the world, I brought it because it does suit me the best..
Posted via CB1003-30-13 12:08 AMLike 2 - Blackberry: "We don't want Tools, we want work around(s) for the tools".....
...The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, is a work around a straight line?
...I'm always looking at emails over 30 days old on my 9930.
...Perhaps they believed if side loading apps was 'ok' then work around(s) so you can work would also be ok?
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niss63 and sonicwheeler like this.03-30-13 12:16 AMLike 2 - Interesting...
Would you mind sharing with the classroom what phone they've chosen to go with instead?
03-30-13 12:30 AMLike 0 - Blackberry has made it's official statement on the matter of only 30 days of email...
...And that statement IS:
..."This is currently by design on the BlackBerry 10 smartphone."
KB33742-"Days to synchronize" is set to "No Limit" but the BlackBerry 10 smartphone syncs only 30 days of information
I've very glad I noticed this thread.....
...If this isn't solved by the release of the Q10 that will be a deal breaker for me.pandapurple likes this.03-30-13 12:44 AMLike 1 -
If an email is 4 days old it's old news to me. If it was important it's retained in other more manageable mediums.03-30-13 01:00 AMLike 16 - Blackberry has made it's official statement on the matter of only 30 days of email...
...And that statement IS:
..."This is currently by design on the BlackBerry 10 smartphone."
KB33742-"Days to synchronize" is set to "No Limit" but the BlackBerry 10 smartphone syncs only 30 days of information
I've very glad I noticed this thread.....
...If this isn't solved by the release of the Q10 that will be a deal breaker for me.03-30-13 01:10 AMLike 6 - I have seen post after post lamenting the lack of more than 30 days of email retention. I never felt the need to respond because it was always individuals. Now someone is claiming it's a corporate decision. I have to weigh in here. If there is documentation field reps need to keep up on orders, history, or accounts, the LAST place you want your archives and information stored is email. Where is your document management and retention system? Where is your CRM? This is not the job of any mobile platform. This is not the job of any email server. There is a reason there are CRM and document management systems. Email is just a communications medium, not document management and retention. Microsoft Sharepoint is but one of many solutions. Google Docs is another of many alternatives.
If an email is 4 days old it's old news to me. If it was important it's retained in other more manageable mediums.
...I recall "many" old emails that fall outside of those two data management systems.
...In fact I did it today at the Port of Seattle, twice.
A "smartphone" needs the ability to pull email over 30 days old.....
...To attempt to offer apologetics otherwise is, as they say, GONG SHOW.JeepBB likes this.03-30-13 01:12 AMLike 1 -
It will be a "Remote search " Item.
Select this and it will search your older email on the server.
Posted via CB1003-30-13 01:20 AMLike 0 - Smartest response yet! CRMs are very important and come into play here, NOT e-mail.I have seen post after post lamenting the lack of more than 30 days of email retention. I never felt the need to respond because it was always individuals. Now someone is claiming it's a corporate decision. I have to weigh in here. If there is documentation field reps need to keep up on orders, history, or accounts, the LAST place you want your archives and information stored is email. Where is your document management and retention system? Where is your CRM? This is not the job of any mobile platform. This is not the job of any email server. There is a reason there are CRM and document management systems. Email is just a communications medium, not document management and retention. Microsoft Sharepoint is but one of many solutions. Google Docs is another of many alternatives.
If an email is 4 days old it's old news to me. If it was important it's retained in other more manageable mediums.mkelley65 likes this.03-30-13 01:21 AMLike 1 - I work in I.T. & manage both the CRM and DMS for my Company....
...I recall "many" old emails that fall outside of those two data management systems.
...In fact I did it today at the Port of Seattle, twice.
A "smartphone" needs the ability to pull email over 30 days old.....
...To attempt to offer apologetics otherwise is, as they say, GONG SHOW.Supa_Fly1 likes this.03-30-13 01:21 AMLike 1 - I won't be buying any of this company's IPO. You rely on an email server for historical documentation?03-30-13 01:31 AMLike 0
- A smart phone has the ability to access ancient docs. Retaining ancient email is counter productive, storage intensive, and not cost efficient. At the year old point it should be common knowledge or retained as a shared doc for the good of all. Of course users sometimes have to be dragged kicking and screaming into more efficient forms of working.
...I sure as **** have pulled email off my phone that's 2 or three months old.
...The majority of 'business' users will not agree with you in this.
Given that other devices have zero issues with this specific matter...
...This apologetic you're offering is sounding very similar to the 9900 camera apologetic.
...i.e. if you want to take good pictures make sure you take your DSLR with you.
I can see what you're saying mkelley and to a point I agree with you on data management.....
...But for Blackberry to think at this stage in their game they can dictate what customers need.
...While at the same time failing to deliver the minimum of other platforms - is either stupid.
...Or shows they are in way over their head.03-30-13 01:44 AMLike 0 - I can't say I've pulled email off my phone that's a year old....
...I sure as **** have pulled email off my phone that's 2 or three months old.
...The majority of 'business' users will not agree with you in this.
Given that other devices have zero issues with this specific matter...
...This apologetic you're offering is sounding very similar to the 9900 camera apologetic.
...i.e. if you want to take good pictures make sure you take your DSLR with you.
I can see what you're saying mkelley and to a point I agree with you on data management.....
...But for Blackberry to think at this stage in their game they can dictate what customers need.
...While at the same time failing to deliver the minimum of other platforms - is either stupid.
...Or shows they are in way over their head.03-30-13 01:50 AMLike 0 - I have seen post after post lamenting the lack of more than 30 days of email retention. I never felt the need to respond because it was always individuals. Now someone is claiming it's a corporate decision. I have to weigh in here. If there is documentation field reps need to keep up on orders, history, or accounts, the LAST place you want your archives and information stored is email. Where is your document management and retention system? Where is your CRM? This is not the job of any mobile platform. This is not the job of any email server. There is a reason there are CRM and document management systems. Email is just a communications medium, not document management and retention. Microsoft Sharepoint is but one of many solutions. Google Docs is another of many alternatives.
If an email is 4 days old it's old news to me. If it was important it's retained in other more manageable mediums.03-30-13 01:59 AMLike 5 - mkelley65 is right in that it makes sense to save 'documents' contained in email....
...But I've always done this - this isn't what concerns me.
Often times the text in the email itself is a "document", such as terms for a lease...
...Something that was agreed to over a month ago and you sign a contract tomorrow.
...And you've just discovered you've been told something alien to what you previously agreed with.
Or something not work related like a nice email from your wife....
...And when you are feeling down and out you read it because it's important to "you".
....I can admit that I've done this ( and would hope to continue to do it ), on a new Q10.
....If BBRY can't deliver this by the Q10 release I will not buy it.
I have a friend who works for a big law firm downtown and they have OS 6 BB's.....
...I will ask him to ask his I.T. dept and see what they say about this.
...My guess is that they would say the same thing as the O.P.'s firm said.03-30-13 02:08 AMLike 2 - i love the4 Z10!!!.... but i want my emails to remain on the device until i delete them!! like the old bb's...!!! .... hope Blackberry fixes this!03-30-13 02:09 AMLike 0
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