Don't justify the Z10's issues by using the "first generation" argument.
- To the op, I will help you.
Complain to your carrier, it's your carrier that has installed a bug ridden os on your phone,
BlackBerry have said they give the carrier the official os and then the carrier modifies it to their requirements, that's where the problem is,
Please complain to the carrier, tweet them, phone them.
Sure. Maybe blackberry should push the carriers to sort this out ASAP
Also maybe the journalists on crack berry should do a investigation into this,
I hope you you get a good os update soon, then you will see what a great phone the Z10 is.
Posted via CB1004-20-13 08:26 AMLike 0 - I am Canadian too....but i don't see how being Canadian has anything to do with the problem....Perhaps from now on everyone should start their post with I am Whatever....American, Indian,English, Irish....and it will automatically add gravitas to your post....irweezyy likes this.04-20-13 08:33 AMLike 1
- Cars using internal combustion engines were first introduced in 1806. Yet, today's new models still have issues some of which lead to massive recalls. To follow your line of reasoning they should have been building the perfect car since 1812, providing of course that everyone would be happy driving an 1812 model today.04-20-13 08:54 AMLike 5
- There is a difference between a manufacturing fault and a problem that seems to apply mostly to some Verizon customers. Blaming the manufacturer for what appears to be a problem with a service provider is pointless.
Those wanting a "perfect" product or device should not buy the first model or production run. No matter how long the type of device has been on the market, anything that has been radically redesigned will inevitably have unintended performance results simply because all of the permutations of conditions cannot be tested prior to release. The cost of doing so would be prohibitive and would discourage companies from innovating any more than incrementally. Those that buy anything that is the result of a big change are known as early adopters and should expect to invest time and energy into getting their device to work perfectly. Those not willing to spend time figuring things out should wait for the production model that has been reviewed by customers as having no problems.04-20-13 09:07 AMLike 0 - That's the whole point of a forum about a product. If BMW was to release 1000 cars and 800 of them worked flawlessly, it doesn't make it any better for the 200. Just stop. We realize there are some without problems but there are MANY with problems and we are using the product number one fan site to discuss it and try an escalate the issue to the parent company. Just stop.
Posted via CB10Originally Posted by fragment137The reason I ask is: If it's the former, I draw your attention here: Blackberry Knowledge Base Article ID KB3403904-20-13 09:08 AMLike 0 - There's been firmware upgrades on my Cisco router.
There's been firmware upgrades on my 5 year old Nissan.
There's been firmware upgrades on my photocopier at work.
There's been hundreds of updates on my PC.
My wife's Samsung SG3 had an emergency upgrade to prevent "sudden death"
iTunes is updating all the time on my daughter's Mac.
My Samsung smart TV gets updates.
My Pioneer amp got an update.
My Sony camera needs a firmware update.
My satellite receiver gets firmware upgrades.
AND THATS ONLY SOFTWARE
Hardware ?????
My Honda Accord got recalled
My Nissan Altima got recalled
My Ford Windstar got recalled.
My Fridgidaire had a bad compressor fixed at no charge.
My Whirlpool washer got the motor control replaced at no charge.
.... and I am not talking defective 'warranty' type of manufacturing defects, I am talking about every device we made has the same problem so we need to fix them out in the market.
Even simple items, no matter how much they are tested, need to be tweaked once they enter the consumer market and get a real testing. The Z10 is anything but a simple item.
So to say that 'first generation' is not a valid reason for an item to have issues is silly.04-20-13 09:13 AMLike 8 - Think Apple is impervious to problems?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0
Posted via CB10
Guys - if you have a problem and your Zed doesn't work like it should, ask for a replacement and move on to enjoying your BlackBerry experience.
Root04-20-13 09:15 AMLike 0 -
Phone has problems. My iphone 4s force closes and reboots at times, the home button barley works.
Posted via CB1004-20-13 09:50 AMLike 0 - When? By all means vent all day. But don't tell people not to express their positive experience. My advice to anyone, such as the OP, who wants a solution is to exchange the device. But if you just want to vent then go ahead...but don't tell folks they aren't allowed to share their experience if it's positive.
Posted via CB1004-20-13 10:07 AMLike 0 - True! different realities indeed, mine is truth and your is in Waterloo. If you've had enough blackberries then you have put up with abuses over the years, in the form of not enough RAM, under powered batties, spontaneous reboots, frozen lock screens, free spinning track wheels, dirty track balls, unresponsive track pads, lack of apps, over pricing, and now denial. But how do we faithful respond to the promises of OS 7, OS 2.0 and OS 10.1? We submitt to the promises and we shell out more cash, only to be stuck with 2 32GB PB's that are no more than $1300US web browsers and a Z10 with none of the most popular apps. We don't hold BB accountable or leave for another phone maker, we just make excuses and call doubters trolls
Posted via CB1004-20-13 10:14 AMLike 0 - "Cars using internal combustion engines were first introduced in 1806. "
I think you mean 1885, when Karl Benz produced an internal combustion engine vehicle. He patented it in 1886. Before that people experimented with steam engines, which really didn't work well. Historical note: It's believed that his wife Bertha was the first person ever to go for a drive in a motor car. The story may be apocryphal but it is said that she took the kids to see her mother, getting arrested several times on the way there and back by disbelieving policemen. I hope it's true, I'd have liked to meet her! - even if my German isn't as good as it should be.Sandy Sprong likes this.04-20-13 10:15 AMLike 1 - Never had a restart here which is actually pretty amazing given that it's also first gen 3'rd party apps, Some people will always have children's deseases I guess but it's important to describe the actual problem, if your wish is to have a constructive debate / solution, insted of device bashing, this apply's to any device04-20-13 10:18 AMLike 0
- The OS has been coded from the bottom up, I have absolutely no issues with my z10, got it last week from tmobile, most of the issues are carrier based. They rushed to get the phone out because they had massive pressure on their backs, if they waited a few months when the s4 and Iphone 5s were released do you really think people would even walk into a phone store to glance at the z10?
Posted via CB1004-20-13 10:20 AMLike 0 - I can't help suspect that, as people note above, the problems are going to be down to apps, apps and apps. I very rarely have problems with phones - and all my BBs and both Playbooks have been rock solid - but I am always very careful about what I install on anything I use for work of any kind.
If the US carriers are installing their own stuff, that could be a source of problems.
No phone maker can test everything, and a developer can modify a working app and create a problem. Even Apple have been caught out despite their approval system.
When I get my Q10, I won't put anything Android on it. If I want an Android phone, I'll get one, but not for anything important. Why compromise on the security which is part of BB USP?04-20-13 10:20 AMLike 0 - Let me guess. You owned a Toyota that had an "uncontrolled acceleration " issue.
Blame the car when it was determined to be "User Error". Some people can't operate something as complex as a phone. It has a lot of those high techie finger swipie jesterie thingies.
It a phone. Just a phone.
Posted from my ZED1004-20-13 10:40 AMLike 0 - richardat/reneebob/bobaukland/kanyeezy/kanyeezy1
I seriously can't tell these posters apart. Its just the same morbid love-hate infatuation with BB.
BB10 shouldn't be compared to other first gen phones. First gen iphone was junk when it came out. Took about 3 years for it to get anywhere. BB10 is already amazing. The competition better be ready cause BB10 just took off and its at full sprint. We all know we BBs update cycle they are already well on their way to making updates and adding to the platform. 10.1 is already out there, and it hasn't even been 3 months since launch. Alec S said in the interview they already have more coming.
I'm amazed a first-generation platform can look this good.TgeekB and Vorkosigan like this.04-20-13 10:41 AMLike 2 -
Posted via CB1004-20-13 10:45 AMLike 0 -
Just a tip. It might be a better idea to contact BB instead of ranting here and not listening to anyones input.fragment137 likes this.04-20-13 10:46 AMLike 1 - There's been firmware upgrades on my Cisco router.
There's been firmware upgrades on my 5 year old Nissan.
There's been firmware upgrades on my photocopier at work.
There's been hundreds of updates on my PC.
My wife's Samsung SG3 had an emergency upgrade to prevent "sudden death"
iTunes is updating all the time on my daughter's Mac.
My Samsung smart TV gets updates.
My Pioneer amp got an update.
My Sony camera needs a firmware update.
My satellite receiver gets firmware upgrades.
AND THATS ONLY SOFTWARE
Hardware ?????
My Honda Accord got recalled
My Nissan Altima got recalled
My Ford Windstar got recalled.
My Fridgidaire had a bad compressor fixed at no charge.
My Whirlpool washer got the motor control replaced at no charge.
.... and I am not talking defective 'warranty' type of manufacturing defects, I am talking about every device we made has the same problem so we need to fix them out in the market.
Even simple items, no matter how much they are tested, need to be tweaked once they enter the consumer market and get a real testing. The Z10 is anything but a simple item.
So to say that 'first generation' is not a valid reason for an item to have issues is silly.
I'm saying electronics can go to crap at any time but some things are just not justified by using this excuse (it's a first)
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