- I've run the numbers using regression analysis, exponential smoothing, and Holt Winters... the adjusted R� value is 0.9984. It's official, people's first posts are blatant lies and become more truthful over time.04-27-13 07:09 PMLike 5
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- 04-27-13 07:27 PMLike 0
- It is impossible for an LCD to 'burn in'. The reason screen savers were developed was because the old CRT's would burn in as a result of the phosphor coating on the inside of the screen becoming worn by the electrode gun. An LCD display doesn't use this technology of course. LCD's can in very, very rare cases get what's called video retention, or video memory which results in a persistant image, although I've never come across it and the likelyhood of it happening with modern display technology is close to 0% probability. It's either a software bug or bs.04-27-13 08:36 PMLike 4
- It is impossible for an LCD to 'burn in'. The reason screen savers were developed was because the old CRT's would burn in as a result of the phosphor coating on the inside of the screen becoming worn by the electrode gun. LCD's can in very, very rare cases get what's called video retention, or video memory which results in a persistant image, although I've never come across it and the likelyhood of it happening with modern display technology is close to 0% probability. It's either a software bug or bs.
This is one of the reasons I wil not buy an led screen phone whether it's amoled / old / or any other led phone. 3 different Samsung galaxy phones (galaxy nexus and 2 galaxy s3s) all with burn in after about a month. And it got progressively worse on each. Never have I ever had burn in on an LCD or SLCD...
Via Zed using CB1004-27-13 08:43 PMLike 0 - ^^^ Fact ^^^
This is one of the reasons I wil not buy an led screen phone whether it's amoled / old / or any other led phone. 3 different Samsung galaxy phones (galaxy nexus and 2 galaxy s3s) all with burn in after about a month. And it got progressively worse on each. Never have I ever had burn in on an LCD or SLCD...
Via Zed using CB1004-27-13 08:53 PMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon SlayerIt is impossible for an LCD to 'burn in'. The reason screen savers were developed was because the old CRT's would burn in as a result of the phosphor coating on the inside of the screen becoming worn by the electrode gun. An LCD display doesn't use this technology of course. LCD's can in very, very rare cases get what's called video retention, or video memory which results in a persistant image, although I've never come across it and the likelyhood of it happening with modern display technology is close to 0% probability. It's either a software bug or bs.
Hehehe, demonstrably untrue. How much money are you willing to wager that I cannot show you a bunch of LCD monitors with screen burn?
Yes, it's much harder to burn an LCD screen. But it is FAR from impossible. Take a look at some LCD monitors that have been used in point-of-sale or industrial systems for a few years some time.
Oh my, what is the world coming to with this anthropomorphizing of tech devices???
First you "peak their crystals", and then you "gently massage the spot" until it all seems better?
Some people don't get that kind of royal treatment.samuelwhatshisface and peter9477 like this.04-28-13 07:52 AMLike 2 -
Hehehe, demonstrably untrue. How much money are you willing to wager that I cannot show you a bunch of LCD monitors with screen burn?
Yes, it's much harder to burn an LCD screen. But it is FAR from impossible. Take a look at some LCD monitors that have been used in point-of-sale or industrial systems for a few years some time.
In summary OLED potential for "burn in" = permanent. IPS LCD potential for "retention" +not permanent.
Sorry for the technical explanation.. end rant...04-28-13 11:40 AMLike 10 - Like the poster above IPS LCD cannot 'burn in'. Should have been more clear on my last post, yes maybe some older forms of LCD can 'burn in' (actually video memory/video retention whatever you like to call it), but like was said, this happens on years old screens that constantly display static components on screen. Whats the chance the OP has had a static image on his screen long enough for any type of image retention to occur? Not to mention IPS cannot 'burn in'. Again, it's a software error or he's talking rubbish.04-28-13 01:41 PMLike 0
- have come across an article where BlackBerry mentioned to move the positions of standard ui elements very very slightly on AMOLED displays to prevent burn in...
the problem on AMOLED is described here:
http://developer.blackberry.com/devz...bb10/oled.html
burn in on the Z10 is possible, but therefore you have to use it for many many years... Never have seen it on consumer screens, it's more a result for industrial displays - showing the content 24/7 for a very long time.
*taking Screenshots for showing display problems:
front facing camera gets out of its housing - takes a picture and walks back...
Posted via CB1004-28-13 02:04 PMLike 0 - 04-28-13 03:26 PMLike 0
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- Getting close to Monday. Interested if Rogers recognizes the OP's screen burn in issue. Hope the OP posts an update or this thread should be closed.
Posted via CB10 on my Zed1004-28-13 06:22 PMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon SlayerLike the poster above IPS LCD cannot 'burn in'. Should have been more clear on my last post, yes maybe some older forms of LCD can 'burn in' (actually video memory/video retention whatever you like to call it), but like was said, this happens on years old screens that constantly display static components on screen.
You do realize that the VAST majority of flat panel displays that have been sold in the last 10-20 years are NOT IPS, right?
I agree. I made no claim about the original poster's issue being "screen burn-in", personally I think that's horse puckey. I just got a good chuckle over people's claim that it's "impossible to burn-in an LCD monitor". I've got a few here to disprove that claim, is all. (And yes, it takes lots of operational hours displaying the same high-contrast material to make that happen on an LCD panel. Which is why I mentioned "point-of-sale or industrial systems". I used to be one of those people who thought "screen burn is nonexistent on LCD" until I saw a few first-hand.)peter9477 likes this.04-28-13 07:13 PMLike 1 -
Posted via CB10 on my Zed1004-28-13 07:20 PMLike 0 -
- Just something to keep in mind: I have some 3 year old phones with an AMOLED screen (Nokia N8, etc.) and it has no screen burn-in ever.
They just move an image (the time) around the screen when it's locked and it not only shows you the time when you need it, it avoids burn-in.
Not sure if this will work on Q10 since it doesn't show a screensaver, but at least it isn't showing anything when locked.04-28-13 07:28 PMLike 0 - and the other 2 providers telus and bell? yeah no replacements after 30 days.... after 30 days it is sent out for repair and loaner devices are $200+ deposits with bell and telus.
ALSO with Rogers you have 1 of 2 choices.
1- refurbished replacement sent directly to you if the device is older than 30 days DOA period
2- send your device away for repair and get a loaner device for a $50 deposit.04-28-13 07:31 PMLike 0 - Hey wait! ... seems everyone (sarcastically??) agrees with the original statement.
BUT - and it's a big one: "doesn't this mean that EVERYONE here started out as absolute, total liars ... and 'some' of you still are to some degree?" (because no-one's defined at what post-count the "lies" vs."truth" line is crossed ...)
Just sayin', is all ...04-28-13 07:32 PMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon SlayerJust something to keep in mind: I have some 3 year old phones with an AMOLED screen (Nokia N8, etc.) and it has no screen burn-in ever.
They just move an image (the time) around the screen when it's locked and it not only shows you the time when you need it, it avoids burn-in.
Not sure if this will work on Q10 since it doesn't show a screensaver, but at least it isn't showing anything when locked.
I was just thinking about that today - that Blackberry needs to implement something like that for Bedside Mode with the Q10, or else they might end up causing display issues with the (first for Blackberry) AMOLED display.04-28-13 07:35 PMLike 0 - I don't know about the panel of the Z10 but IPS panels made by LG are known to suffer from ghosting issues for a long time. This was an still is a well known issue because Apple uses IPS panels made by LG. According to Apple "this is normal behavior for an IPS display":
"Avoiding image persistence on Apple displays"
=> Avoiding image persistence on Apple displays
But some people do not agree:
Apple hit with class action lawsuit over defective retina displays | Ars Technica
Some years ago I owned a LG TV with IPS panel myself which suffered from this issue. The ghosting could be removed in the beginning but it got way worse after some months.
But I'm not saying the Z10 suffers from this issue though. I don't have seen it on the Z10.04-28-13 07:44 PMLike 0 - i've personally seen image persistence/burn in on phone LCD's and IPS panels. Omnitech is absolutely correct, and th3h0ff and tphp are absolutely wrong.
IPS panel burn in on a mac
xbox causing image persistence on new IPS panel
so it's not likely for any LCD panel to experience this issue, but to say it's a fallacy is well, a fallacy. I saw an NEC MultiSync in the garbage due to it, and it's an IPS panel.
and OP, ignore the people that are telling you to take a screenshot, it's a waste of time... it's a damaged panel, it's nothing to do with your software.
run the youtube link, or, this flash based one which i'd actually suggest doing first. full screen the site, check white and black, you'll see your markings, then press "fix my screen" and let it run for a while. I'd gamble that your issue is resolved after the panel is put through it's paces.04-28-13 08:13 PMLike 2 - It is impossible for an LCD to 'burn in'. The reason screen savers were developed was because the old CRT's would burn in as a result of the phosphor coating on the inside of the screen becoming worn by the electrode gun. An LCD display doesn't use this technology of course. LCD's can in very, very rare cases get what's called video retention, or video memory which results in a persistant image, although I've never come across it and the likelyhood of it happening with modern display technology is close to 0% probability. It's either a software bug or bs.
i work in a manufacturing plant where many LCD monitors display the same automatic test systems 24/7/365 and many many of them, after admittedly many months of use displaying the same image, burn in, or whatever term you wish to call it. And very noticeably. And we've not found anything that can reduce or fix it, and trust me, we have tried. After about two-three years these displays are permanently damaged and display the ghost of the automatic test software display forever.
so don't believe this crapola about LCD displays never burning. The surely do, although these are undoubtedly severe applications.
now with respect to the Z10, i find it a little hard to believe that a display that can't be more than, what?, three months old maybe? could be burned even if you left it on the same image since it first fired up. That's a bit of a stretch perhaps.Last edited by Sloppy; 04-28-13 at 09:40 PM.
04-28-13 09:13 PMLike 2 -
None of this changes the fact that Blackberry washes its hands of its customers and leaves warranty repair/replacement in the hands of the 'point of sale entity' which in Canada means one of basically 3 firms that we know will happily screw their customers as long as it's optimal for them. In the case of one of the 3 majors, they don't even send the phones to BBRY to get repaired - the phones are sent to a '3rd party company contracted to perform repair work'. Straight from BBRY's KW head office support staff.04-28-13 09:24 PMLike 0
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