- I don't understand why you speak in condescending manner to the OP (pranavvk)? OP is entitled to his opinion and criticism. This is a discussion forum after all!
Besides, your argument is flawed. Anybody can make mistakes. Even executives of multi billion dollar companies. It's not like multi billion dollar companies have never gone bankrupt or out of business due to poor strategy, poor execution or poor products. It has happened. So, telling someone to shut-up simply because this person is not an owner of a multi billion dollar company is plain stupid.02-26-13 10:46 AMLike 0 - I don't understand why you speak in condescending manner to the OP (pranavvk)? OP is entitled to his opinion and criticism. This is a discussion forum after all!
Besides, your argument is flawed. Anybody can make mistakes. Even executives of multi billion dollar companies. It's not like multi billion dollar companies have never gone bankrupt or out of business due to poor strategy, poor execution or poor products. It has happened. So, telling someone to shut-up simply because this person is not an owner of a multi billion dollar company is plain stupid.
OP was commenting on was that at such high price ($800), BlackBerry z10 might not sell well in India. We don't know what BlackBerry's intentions are or what kind of strategy they are playing with that kind of pricing but OP is just expressing his opinion that such high pricing won't yield as many sales.flyingsolid likes this.02-26-13 10:48 AMLike 1 - I agree. No need to get personal. It is just a discussion. It is all nice to show India's rich face here but that shouldn't stop people from understanding and allowing what OP has to say. Also Blackberry in recent years isn't exactly known for their mind-blowing strategies.
This is their flagship. Everyone knew that the price would be more than the 9900. Don't forget that the INR has fallen steeply against the USD. We paid $750 for the 9900 too. But since then INR plummeted. The phone is not that much more expensive, it's just the rupee has lost its value.
Also you know very well that the cheaper OS10 devices will be launching later this year. BB is going for the top line right now. They will take care of the bottom line later. Their rebuilding wasn't going to be done in a few months. It's at least a two year climb out if it happens. But no one can keep moaning about something being priced at more than what they are willing or able to pay. It is what it is.02-26-13 10:58 AMLike 0 - Hey Pranav,
Found a phone for you
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It's the Nokia 1280. It's for $17. Now go to the Nokia forums and whine how that price is too expensive.
I have made it very very clear in both my opening post and further posts.02-26-13 11:00 AMLike 0 - Your argument is equally flawed. Just because executives running a multi billion company can be wrong does not mean that every other person is right. It's not a zero sum game. The phone hasn't even hit the shelves yet and people like the OP have popped up giving their speculative analysis with absolutely zero data to back up their assertions. Let the first quarter sales of the Z10 come in for India. After that I would be interested in the OP's so called analysis. Till then anything on the subject is something he might have come up while smoking a joint.
As for "After that I would be interested in the OP's so called analysis" - well, if you are not interested, feel free to ignore this thread or not comment on OP's opinion.02-26-13 11:00 AMLike 0 - I don't understand why you speak in condescending manner to the OP (pranavvk)? OP is entitled to his opinion and criticism. This is a discussion forum after all!
Besides, your argument is flawed. Anybody can make mistakes. Even executives of multi billion dollar companies. It's not like multi billion dollar companies have never gone bankrupt or out of business due to poor strategy, poor execution or poor products. It has happened. So, telling someone to shut-up simply because this person is not an owner of a multi billion dollar company is plain stupid.
When did OP ask for a handouts?
Related to the topic of this thread. It seems to me that the while the Z10/Q10 will likely stop the bleeding in the "premium" markets (US, GB, Canada), they will not do much or may even have a negative effect for the "budget" markets (India, Africa, China). It will be interesting to see after a few months what the net effect is going to be.pranavvk likes this.02-26-13 11:04 AMLike 1 - And no, my argument is NOT flawed at all (let alone, equally flawed). I didn't say OP was right. What I said was that there is nothing wrong in OP expressing his opinion or commenting or criticizing on BlackBerry's India strategy. There is no such rule that you've to be owner of a multi-billion dollar corporation before you criticise strategy of another multi-billion dollar corporation.
As for "After that I would be interested in the OP's so called analysis" - well, if you are not interested, feel free to ignore this thread or not comment on OP's opinion.
And going with the theme of your post, you could have scrolled past my posts as well. I wonder why you didn't?02-26-13 11:06 AMLike 0 -
I did not move past your post because at no point did I indicate that I was NOT interested in the topic. You on the other hand 1) were condescending towards OP and 2) stated that "After that I would be interested in the OP's so called analysis". To which I responded, feel free to not comment, if you are not interested.02-26-13 11:09 AMLike 0 - Thank you for saying this. The OP made their point respectfully and made it clear several times that he wasn't criticizing the pricing. Despite this, he's being called a whiner. I would like to see less ad hominem attacks. Challenge the ideas, not the person
Related to the topic of this thread. It seems to me that the while the Z10/Q10 will likely stop the bleeding in the "premium" markets (US, GB, Canada), they will not do much or may even have a negative effect for the "budget" markets (India, Africa, China). It will be interesting to see after a few months what the net effect is going to be.
Blakberry honestly did not have a choice in releasing the Z10 as the first phone. If they had released a mid range phone first and the performance was in the least bit laggy...well... imagine the field day the tech blogs would have had...
It is definitely a phone that can compete.
But the weakness BB faces in emerging markets is that the Bold 9900 is not their representative phone for the masses. The representative phones are phones like the Curve 8520. Which is where my comment on differentiation comes along.
I02-26-13 11:16 AMLike 0 - Thank you for saying this. The OP made their point respectfully and made it clear several times that he wasn't criticizing the pricing. Despite this, he's being called a whiner. I would like to see less ad hominem attacks. Challenge the ideas, not the person
Related to the topic of this thread. It seems to me that the while the Z10/Q10 will likely stop the bleeding in the "premium" markets (US, GB, Canada), they will not do much or may even have a negative effect for the "budget" markets (India, Africa, China). It will be interesting to see after a few months what the net effect is going to be.
So, maybe, their strategy is to create desire by launching a premium-priced product (Z10). Lots of rich folks will buy it (% wise there might not be as many rich people in India, but due to sheer size of 1 Billion + population, there are still numerically significant number of people in India who can afford Z10 at $800 or even higher). This will create desire among a lot of people who could not afford Z10 and prime them for a lower-priced version of Z10 (let's call it Z5 for argument sake). This Z5 could be curve-equivalent of Z10.
Similar to how they sell tons of Curves in budget markets, while also selling not-insignificant number of Bold devices.02-26-13 11:19 AMLike 0 - Hawke,
This is their flagship. Everyone knew that the price would be more than the 9900. Don't forget that the INR has fallen steeply against the USD. We paid $750 for the 9900 too. But since then INR plummeted. The phone is not that much more expensive, it's just the rupee has lost its value.
Also you know very well that the cheaper OS10 devices will be launching later this year. BB is going for the top line right now. They will take care of the bottom line later. Their rebuilding wasn't going to be done in a few months. It's at least a two year climb out if it happens. But no one can keep moaning about something being priced at more than what they are willing or able to pay. It is what it is.
Where are the Z10 ads? Most of those who are making fun of Blackberry on twitter don't even know it is not the same curve and storm that is being priced at 43k but with them being a joke all day yesterday and today, I am not sure whether the beating the image took will ever fully recover.
No doubt it is what it is and that is the problem. Less buyers = less sales = less apps = playbook. At least the Q10 will have the keypad if not the apps.pranavvk likes this.02-26-13 11:20 AMLike 1 -
where are the z10 ads? Most of those who are making fun of blackberry on twitter don't even know it is not the same curve and storm that is being priced at 43k but with them being a joke all day yesterday and today, i am not sure whether the beating the image took will ever fully recover.02-26-13 11:22 AMLike 0 - I don't know what their India strategy is. But if they are trying to sell a LOT of Z10 in India, they are in for a surprise. Curve outsells Bold in budget markets simply because Curve is cheaper.
So, maybe, their strategy is to create desire by launching a premium-priced product (Z10). Lots of rich folks will buy it (% wise there might not be as many rich people in India, but due to sheer size of 1 Billion + population, there are still numerically significant number of people in India who can afford Z10 at $800 or even higher). This will create desire among a lot of people who could not afford Z10 and prime them for a lower-priced version of Z10 (let's call it Z5 for argument sake). This Z5 could be curve-equivalent of Z10.
Similar to how they sell tons of Curves in budget markets, while also selling not-insignificant number of Bold devices.
2) They should have taken the opportunity to flood the market with ads proclaiming the revolutionary new platform so that when the mid-price curve equivalents come out, they will be well recieved.02-26-13 11:24 AMLike 0 - That's a separate issue, I think. Not sure where the ads are in India, but they're everywhere in Canada. Every site I got to is showing me Z10. Every store that sells phones is showing me Z10. I watch TV, I see commercials. I listen to the radio, I heard commercials. Maybe the regional marketing strategy could use some work.
Most of those who are making fun of Blackberry on twitter don't even know it is not the same curve and storm that is being priced at 43k but with them being a joke all day yesterday and today, I am not sure whether the beating the image took will ever fully recover.02-26-13 11:27 AMLike 0 - Related to the topic of this thread. It seems to me that the while the Z10/Q10 will likely stop the bleeding in the "premium" markets (US, GB, Canada), they will not do much or may even have a negative effect for the "budget" markets (India, Africa, China). It will be interesting to see after a few months what the net effect is going to be.02-26-13 11:29 AMLike 0
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So, if I understood him correctly:
For each form factor, they will have two price-variants (premium and mid-range, like Bold and Curve).02-26-13 11:33 AMLike 0 - That's a separate issue, I think. Not sure where the ads are in India, but they're everywhere in Canada. Every site I got to is showing me Z10. Every store that sells phones is showing me Z10. I watch TV, I see commercials. I listen to the radio, I heard commercials. Maybe the regional marketing strategy could use some work.02-26-13 11:33 AMLike 0
- The z10 was never going to be a phone for the masses in India. The "Curve" variant will be. Consider the z10 a soft launch.
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On the other hand, if they were hoping to aggressively Z10 in India, they are unlikely to succeed. At $800, Z10 is not budget friendly even for US/Canada, let alone budget markets like India, Africa.02-26-13 11:54 AMLike 0 - That's the point though, the z10 isn't designed to be a "budget" friendly device at all. It's a premium device, and is priced that way. The reality thought, is that the average Canadian/American/European can afford a "premium" device if they really want one, whereas in India it doesn't necessarily work that way. That's just the reality of developing nations. The budget friendly "curve" variant will be a much better fit then the z10 ever could be in India. Also, the price in India is very marginally more expensive then in Canada. Here we pay 649-699 + tax (~13% depending on the province), which works out to $730 - $791, so if it's available in India for around $800 & considering it's an import, it's essentially the same price.
Posted via a Nokia 1280Last edited by dj_matty_s; 02-26-13 at 12:13 PM.
02-26-13 12:02 PMLike 0 - That's the point though, the z10 isn't designed to be a "budget" friendly device at all. It's a premium device, and is priced that way. The reality thought, is that the average Canadian/American/European can afford a "premium" device if they really want one, whereas in India it doesn't necessarily work that way. That's just the reality of developing nations. The budget friendly "curve" variant will be a much better fit then the z10 ever could be in India. Also, the price in India is very marginally more expensive then in Canada. Here we pay 649-699 + tax (~13% depending on the province), which works out to $730 - $791, so if it's available in India for around $800 & considering it's an import, it's essentially the same price.
"BlackBerry bad bad strategy"
To think the marketers are sitting in Waterloo or Bombay having caviars and these so called "Critics" are whining about th pricing.
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