12-23-13 01:38 PM
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  1. BB30000's Avatar
    So with the quarterly announcements released today, it's time to hear what you think. I saw many negative articles, like this....
    BlackBerry Going forward...What are your thoughts?-img_00000818.png

    Is that REALLY necessary?

    Although there were a lot of negatives from the announcement ,and trust me, there were a few, I think many of us are happy to discuss the positives! The deal with Foxconn, the 40 million BBM users on iOS and Android, and the annoncements of a new device!

    I think we can finally start to see some direction moving forward. Most expected poor sales figures, so not all that surprising, However with 3 BIG hirings in the past 2 weeks and a few big announcements....What's your feeling going forward?
    So far I think MOST feel that Mr.Chen is doing a pretty darn good job just 45 days into his tenure, but how do you feel?
    Is it finally time to get over the past....and move forward in a positive direction?
    Or are we just being hopeful?

    Via The BlackBerry Z10 Experience.
    12-20-13 02:54 PM
  2. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    I'm okay with the negativity. Company is still alive, still has cash. They also have a great product, and have made a concrete announcement that they'll keep making it.

    Maybe they need to maintain low expectations for a while.
    12-20-13 03:03 PM
  3. BigwhiteUK's Avatar
    The only way is forwards! OS 10 is a great product, as are the OS10 devices. Market, market, market

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    12-20-13 03:14 PM
  4. BB30000's Avatar
    The only way is forwards! OS 10 is a great product, as are the OS10 devices. Market, market, market

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    Absolutely wonderful devices, but doesn't mean much if you can't get it into consumers hands.

    Via The BlackBerry Z10 Experience.
    Thewaxedworm likes this.
    12-20-13 05:29 PM
  5. CaptBanana's Avatar
    I worry about BlackBerry

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    Thewaxedworm likes this.
    12-20-13 09:54 PM
  6. failedhumanexistence's Avatar
    I think Chen is doing all he can to move BlackBerry in the right direction, but that of course is going to take time. Sadly, I think most people just look at the whole scenario and only see the negative aspects to it all (lay-offs, losses, etc.). These are necessary steps to get BlackBerry headed in the right direction and I'm very hopeful for the future. BB10 is a great OS, cross-platform BBM is a great step, I just hope they up their marketing and show everyone just how wonderful the new OS is. Only time will tell though, but again, I am very hopeful.
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    12-20-13 10:06 PM
  7. geoffsdad's Avatar
    If Chen can get out and do a little over his own PR work, I think it would go a long way in restoring confidence. Spoon feed wall street and the media his vision and plan for the company, some of the negativity will die down.

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    12-20-13 10:20 PM
  8. joshua_sx1's Avatar
    As I post earlier, BlackBerry is like Titanic on its last few hours... it's inevitably going down... what it is left to do is salvage whatever it can be saved... and wait for another ship...

    The only difference is, the previous Captain already left the ship...

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    12-20-13 11:00 PM
  9. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    All I have to say is Mr. Chen means business and his focus is to turn BlackBerry around and quickly, too.

    Is it just me or does it seem like he has done more for BlackBerry in a few months than T. H. did in over a year?


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    12-20-13 11:46 PM
  10. nnik's Avatar
    As I post earlier, BlackBerry is like Titanic on its last few hours... it's inevitably going down... what it is left to do is salvage whatever it can be saved... and wait for another ship...

    The only difference is, the previous Captain already left the ship...

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    the present captain doesn't have a reputation for losing... nice try on the negative spin though

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    12-20-13 11:51 PM
  11. fabio1's Avatar
    The current situation is obviously negative, however the future is positive. Blackberry 10 at the OS7 price point is the only way forward.

    We are where we are today because current users and companies have been resistant to upgrade to BlackBerry 10 devices or Enterprise software. Mistakes have been made, however Nokia have proved that devices sold at the right price point can turn the sales and the Brand around.

    I was a Sony Ericsson User, then a Nokia user and switched to my first Blackberry Bold. I have been attracted GS4, Iphone4 and new Lumia handsets, however I am now happy with my Z10 and Z30 on OS 10.2 and I am proud to show off my BlackBerry 10 phones wherever I go.......
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    12-21-13 12:03 AM
  12. joshua_sx1's Avatar
    There is definitely nothing wrong for being "negative" or as other referred to as "pessimistic"... that is why there is this so called "contingency" planning and ERP... and this kind of planning (or program) is effectively being developed by being pessimistic... what's wrong with it is, is if the management done nothing to mitigate it or lessen its impact... or other may refer to as Plan B...

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    12-21-13 12:32 AM
  13. bbzp's Avatar
    I like the statements made from Chen. He seems to have a clear plan and I like that he's taking action to move BlackBerry forward from their current situation. IMO strong leadership is one of the things BlackBerry needs and from the little I've seen from Chen he seems to provide that leadership.

    Rather than letting BlackBerry keep the status quo, Chen seems to be willing to try to gain market share. I'm actually optimistic about BlackBerry's future under Chen's leadership.
    12-21-13 01:32 AM
  14. SK122387's Avatar
    I feel better with John Chen than I did with Thorsten Heins, to be honest.

    John Chen has "come out swinging," as they say. That open letter he wrote? Unheard of in the old days of BlackBerry. Laying out SPECIFIC plans, not simply dazzling reporters with buzz words with "mobile computing" and "laser focused" also goes a long way.

    He's bringing aboard truly "fresh blood" with whom he's been successful with before. He has hired people for big jobs, set a course for the company with Foxconn, responded to the negative media, quelled the concerns of some in the enterprise (Morgan Stanley went from putting BlackBerry upgrades on hold, now they're testing or using BES10), and gives off a really confident vibe.

    Thorsten didn't do as well on CNBC type interviews. I watched John Chen and thought, "Wow. This guy really seems like he knows what he's doing." John Chen had an answer for everything and really was in control of that interview.

    That's just the type of guy (or girl) I'd want running a company in need of turnaround.

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    12-21-13 01:47 AM
  15. Michael Bornstein's Avatar
    I bought the z10 during their 200 sale primarily just because it was so cheap. I also wanted to test out BB10 as I've always been curious about it. Wondered why it wasn't selling. I have extensive experience with each of the other three operating systems. I've used each as my daily driver for over 1 year.
    Personally I'm blown away by the z10. For a first generation operating system it is fantastic. It has quickly become my favorite system. The keyboard alone makes this my favorite phone.
    It's hard for me to understand why this never caught on and never gained significant traction. Too late to the market I guess but on the whole a very worthwhile entry. I think they just need to build momentum slowly and get people to try the system. They no doubt will win converts.

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    12-21-13 10:07 AM
  16. kentran99's Avatar
    They should start now by renovating the app world !!!

    I've got 3 apps recently to find out they're all scams !

    Fight hard to get money back...

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    12-21-13 10:56 AM
  17. d3r3k79's Avatar
    They're doomed. BlackBerry lacks leadership and any vision to resurrect themselves. BB10 has been out for nearly a full year. Sales are dismal at best which is fueling these massive quarterly losses.
    The initial OS was released full of bugs and lacked a lot of features. Some carriers are taking their sweet time to release updates which should prompt BlackBerry to push out any updates themselves, but nope. There hasn't been ANY marketing initiative to speak of. The apps ecosystem is still still falling short of consumer demands and any decent app costs $4.99. The 25 days of Christmas Promo is a joke and it's been mostly games that have been given away. Many of the apps that they do have are garbage and missing features. Facebook is a perfect example. This is the most widely used app on ANY mobile platform and they even screwed that up.

    I only started liking my Z10 after I loaded the first 10.2 leak in the summer. Up until that point, I was not happy with my phone. I still find the phone is missing certain basic functionality like being able to dial a number from the browser. It only works on mobile sites. Anyone who wishes to challenge me on this, I urge you to go to Toyota Credit Canada's website (the last site I wanted to dial from browser but couldn't) and dial the number from the browser.
    BlackBerry seems hell bent on failure. I can no longer support a company that has no interest in self preservation and only continues to dig a deeper grave.
    BlackBerry should have marketed the fck out off BB10 prior to its release and continued to release new campaigns to promote their new product that was to revive the company. Instead, they've reported 3 consecutive massive quarterly losses and consumer confidence is almost non existent aside from the 'fanboys'. These yahoo's still thing BlackBerry is strong while they are still trying to bail out a ship laying at the bottom of the ocean...

    BlackBerry is doomed. It's only a matter of time. I give it 12 months or less before they are sold peice by peice just like Nortel was.

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    12-21-13 01:37 PM
  18. BB30000's Avatar
    They're doomed. BlackBerry lacks leadership and any vision to resurrect themselves. BB10 has been out for nearly a full year. Sales are dismal at best which is fueling these massive quarterly losses.
    The initial OS was released full of bugs and lacked a lot of features. Some carriers are taking their sweet time to release updates which should prompt BlackBerry to push out any updates themselves, but nope. There hasn't been ANY marketing initiative to speak of. The apps ecosystem is still still falling short of consumer demands and any decent app costs $4.99. The 25 days of Christmas Promo is a joke and it's been mostly games that have been given away. Many of the apps that they do have are garbage and missing features. Facebook is a perfect example. This is the most widely used app on ANY mobile platform and they even screwed that up.

    I only started liking my Z10 after I loaded the first 10.2 leak in the summer. Up until that point, I was not happy with my phone. I still find the phone is missing certain basic functionality like being able to dial a number from the browser. It only works on mobile sites. Anyone who wishes to challenge me on this, I urge you to go to Toyota Credit Canada's website (the last site I wanted to dial from browser but couldn't) and dial the number from the browser.
    BlackBerry seems hell bent on failure. I can no longer support a company that has no interest in self preservation and only continues to dig a deeper grave.
    BlackBerry should have marketed the fck out off BB10 prior to its release and continued to release new campaigns to promote their new product that was to revive the company. Instead, they've reported 3 consecutive massive quarterly losses and consumer confidence is almost non existent aside from the 'fanboys'. These yahoo's still thing BlackBerry is strong while they are still trying to bail out a ship laying at the bottom of the ocean...

    BlackBerry is doomed. It's only a matter of time. I give it 12 months or less before they are sold peice by peice just like Nortel was.

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    Strong and aggressive comments, but good to see the other side of the argument. Way too many positive people, haha.
    Although I agree with some of what you said, ie marketing and simple features, some of it seems a little extreme and uneducated. The "BlackBerry is doomed" theory is the easy way out, and have heard it since 2010. Also you mentioned that they lack leadership, Not a fan of Mr.Chen? How can you already make an assessment that he isn't a leader?.. Yes for years they lacked leadership and direction, but Mr.Chen seems to be a proven leader, with a strong track record of success and respect from his peers. Only time will tell, but definitely feels more optimistic than it did in the summer.

    Via The BlackBerry Z10 Experience.
    12-21-13 07:23 PM
  19. TheFrozenCommunist's Avatar
    The current situation is obviously negative, however the future is positive. Blackberry 10 at the OS7 price point is the only way forward.

    We are where we are today because current users and companies have been resistant to upgrade to BlackBerry 10 devices or Enterprise software. Mistakes have been made, however Nokia have proved that devices sold at the right price point can turn the sales and the Brand around.

    I was a Sony Ericsson User, then a Nokia user and switched to my first Blackberry Bold. I have been attracted GS4, Iphone4 and new Lumia handsets, however I am now happy with my Z10 and Z30 on OS 10.2 and I am proud to show off my BlackBerry 10 phones wherever I go.......
    Nokia didn't turn things around. They sold their handset division to Microsoft. I imagine BB will do the same at some point. Chen even said he will be focusing on software. When you outsource to Foxconn to design and build a phone, that means you're getting out of the market. Will be interesting to see who the eventual buyer is.
    12-21-13 11:06 PM
  20. d3r3k79's Avatar
    Strong and aggressive comments, but good to see the other side of the argument. Way too many positive people, haha.
    Although I agree with some of what you said, ie marketing and simple features, some of it seems a little extreme and uneducated. The "BlackBerry is doomed" theory is the easy way out, and have heard it since 2010. Also you mentioned that they lack leadership, Not a fan of Mr.Chen? How can you already make an assessment that he isn't a leader?.. Yes for years they lacked leadership and direction, but Mr.Chen seems to be a proven leader, with a strong track record of success and respect from his peers. Only time will tell, but definitely feels more optimistic than it did in the summer.

    Via The BlackBerry Z10 Experience.
    Since 2010? BlackBerry stocks were still trading at upwards of $75 in 2010 and they still had over 24% of the market. BlackBerry was still very much in the game in 2010.
    No, I'm not a fan of Mr.Chen. First of all, he was given his position as 'interim' CEO. He has made a few changes to the organizational structure, but it's too little too late.
    BlackBerry's last chance to rebrand and remarket themselves as a progressive company with cutting edge technology came and went when they released BB10, but they phucked that up. Nobody trusts BlackBerry to do anything right anymore. They screw up pretty much everything they do. First of all, the product was premature and released 6 months too early. Too many bugs and hiccups on the first few revisions. There were NO strategic partnerships with some of the key app developers. The app world is still mediocre at best 1 year later.
    There has been zero effort and initative to market the new OS and devices. Many non-BB users still relate BlackBerry to their old legacy phones. They still have an image of being out-of-date. The media is hammering them at every chance and they've done nothing to defend themselves.
    I'm sorry, but I wanted nothing more than to see BlackBerry grow and recover their lost consumer base. I wasn't completely satisfied with my phone until 10.2 came out. Until then, BB10 was just an average OS. Nothing special IMO. But I, like many others, have completely lost faith in BlackBerry and I will not buy another BB device. They are continuing to lose extremely valuable and loyal customers such as myself with their pathetic attempts to regain lost ground in the industry that they created.
    Sorry, but I'm a realist. I don't bury my head in the sand and pretend everything is tickity boo. If ppl want to support BlackBerry going forward, they have every right. But they've lost one more loyal customer with me. I can't support a company that can't support themselves.
    BlackBerry is a sad story of an amazing company that was milked dry by greed and lack of leadership.

    I'd like nothing more than to be proven wrong about my prediction. But until they actually start making headway by making smart business decisions that turn into profits and bwgin regaining market share... I'll stand by my comments. Heck, BlackBerry is even behind Windows mobile as it stands today.

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    Last edited by d3r3k79; 12-22-13 at 12:19 AM.
    12-21-13 11:48 PM
  21. meltbox360's Avatar
    Since 2010? BlackBerry stocks were still trading at upwards of $75 in 2010 and they still had over 24% of the market. BlackBerry was still very much in the game in 2010.
    No, I'm not a fan of Mr.Chen. First of all, he was given his position as 'interim' CEO. He has made a few changes to the organizational structure, but it's too little too late.
    BlackBerry's last chance to rebrand and remarket themselves as a progressive company with cutting edge technology came and went when they released BB10, but they phucked that up. Nobody trusts BlackBerry to do anything right anymore. They screw up pretty much everything they do. First of all, the product was premature and released 6 months too early. Too many bugs and hiccups on the first few revisions. There were NO strategic partnerships with some of the key app developers. The app world is still mediocre at best 1 year later.
    There has been zero effort and initative to market the new OS and devices. Many non-BB users still relate BlackBerry to their old legacy phones. They still have an image of being out-of-date. The media is hammering them at every chance and they've done nothing to defend themselves.
    I'm sorry, but I wanted nothing more than to see BlackBerry grow and recover their lost consumer base. I wasn't completely satisfied with my phone until 10.2 came out. Until then, BB10 was just an average OS. Nothing special IMO. But I, like many others, have completely lost faith in BlackBerry and I will not buy another BB device. They are continuing to lose extremely valuable and loyal customers such as myself with their pathetic attempts to regain lost ground in the industry that they created.
    Sorry, but I'm a realist. I don't bury my head in the sand and pretend everything is tickity boo. If ppl want to support BlackBerry going forward, they have every right. But they've lost one more loyal customer with me. I can't support a company that can't support themselves.
    BlackBerry is a sad story of an amazing company that was milked dry by greed and lack of leadership.

    I'd like nothing more than to be proven wrong about my prediction. But until they actually start making headway by making smart business decisions that turn into profits and bwgin regaining market share... I'll stand by my comments. Heck, BlackBerry is even behind Windows mobile as it stands today.

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    So basically you'll be back to cheer for BlackBerry once they're doing well again. So you seem to care more the state of the company than the product. I don't know how you see them trying to kill themselves but I see them as fighting and clawing to stay alive. The progress has been immense although lacking in some areas. Chen seems like another boost. Maybe under old leadership they were digging a grave but now it's not quite like that.

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    12-22-13 01:44 AM
  22. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    They no doubt will win converts.
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    You've destroyed the hopes and dreams of all BlackBerry haters.

    Z10STL100-3/10.2.1.1259
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    12-22-13 01:52 AM
  23. jojo beaconsfield's Avatar
    So with the quarterly announcements released today, it's time to hear what you think. I saw many negative articles, like this....
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    Is that REALLY necessary?

    Although there were a lot of negatives from the announcement ,and trust me, there were a few, I think many of us are happy to discuss the positives! The deal with Foxconn, the 40 million BBM users on iOS and Android, and the annoncements of a new device!

    I think we can finally start to see some direction moving forward. Most expected poor sales figures, so not all that surprising, However with 3 BIG hirings in the past 2 weeks and a few big announcements....What's your feeling going forward?
    So far I think MOST feel that Mr.Chen is doing a pretty darn good job just 45 days into his tenure, but how do you feel?
    Is it finally time to get over the past....and move forward in a positive direction?
    Or are we just being hopeful?

    Via The BlackBerry Z10 Experience.
    It's all about perception now,look at the picture,I see workers pulling out the logo from a huge hole.So see it my way and be happy with the Super Chen Guy!!
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    12-22-13 02:06 AM
  24. MozThaGreat's Avatar
    I'm still just upset that my Z10 is going to see 2014 before it sees 10.2...... Smh at&t

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    12-22-13 02:19 AM
  25. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    I'm still just upset that my Z10 is going to see 2014 before it sees 10.2...... Smh at&t

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    Sachesi, Rogers, official 10.2, profit.

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    12-22-13 02:28 AM
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