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  1. sinsin07's Avatar
    So what? The every day user isn't going to blame FB. They're going to blame the makers of the phone in their hand and get a different phone (if that app is important to them).

    Look, sideload, APK, BAR, these are all term that the every day user doesn't want to hear anything about and won't take time trying to understand. People can make all the excused they want, and point to all sorts of roundabout methods to get apps, but you don't make money telling the consumer that they're wrong.
    That's ok. Blackberry is only for the "technical user".

    They're not interested in "brainwashed drones". /s
    12-26-13 06:49 PM
  2. New_Z10's Avatar
    It's true. Its a part of the dumbing down of society. BlackBerry is more for technical users. Where apple is simple and doesn't let you do ****! BlackBerry is doing a better job of merging the two world's. Keep it simple for the brain washed drones (aka the apple and droid users) but still allow us to side load and have a powerful, useful machine. Not sure if this makes sense, but I know what I mean.
    As for the app gap and gestures. The average person doesn't want to take the time to learn these things. They are too busy watching the kardashians and trying to keep up with whatever is popular and cool. Which right now I see the market swinging from apple towards driod (more specifically samsung). BlackBerry needs to do a better job of catering to these people, while sticking to their roots of business minded and technical people.
    Ok I'm off my soapbox now.
    Oh and one last thing, BlackBerry really needs to learn to market better!

    Posted via CB10
    The idea of a smart phone is it does the work.

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    12-26-13 07:54 PM
  3. milo53's Avatar
    If most of what's really good in BB10.2 and 10.2.1 was there at launch it would have made a difference to how those first reviews of BB10 devices went and what that first wave of early adopters experienced, especially easy access to Android apps.

    But unfortunately since the PlayBook BlackBerry seems to have taken the attitude of just get it out of the doors and we'll add the functionality months even years later. That's not a good way to do business at all.

    Posted via CB10 on Z10 STL100-2 on EE, UK - Activated on BES10.2
    That's exactly what happened with the Playbook launch. Balsile figured, people won't care, RIM is king and people will follow. We will fix it later.

    Can you imagine, almost a grand for 64gig model, what arrogance.
    12-26-13 08:05 PM
  4. Cavi Mike's Avatar
    There's no possible way a BB could be on anything besides "the very worst" in one of these stupid "features" because BB has lost too much money.
    12-26-13 08:31 PM
  5. johnnyuk's Avatar
    That's exactly what happened with the Playbook launch. Balsile figured, people won't care, RIM is king and people will follow. We will fix it later.

    Can you imagine, almost a grand for 64gig model, what arrogance.
    And then 18 months later I bought my 64GB PlayBook for almost a tenth of that price!

    It's sad that it has only been the arrogance of RIM/BlackBerry and their idea of what people will pay for an unfinished product that has eventially made that product appealing after it had to be written down to allow a fire sale thus driving another nail in to the coffin of the company each time it has to happen.

    Posted via CB10 on Z10 STL100-2 on EE, UK - Activated on BES10.2
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    12-26-13 08:37 PM
  6. Jesus Quintana's Avatar
    I still don't have the Z10 in my hands (waiting for it) but for what i can tell using it just some minutes is WoW: BB made a big mistake pricing the device way too much, but i think that it's the only product in the market that can honestly be defined as new, or innovative. Android, and even worse ios are the same products in different sauce since years, and wp is one of the most boring Os out there. But guess cnn guys don't agree......
    12-26-13 09:00 PM
  7. sinsin07's Avatar
    I still don't have the Z10 in my hands (waiting for it) but for what i can tell using it just some minutes is WoW: BB made a big mistake pricing the device way too much, but i think that it's the only product in the market that can honestly be defined as new, or innovative. Android, and even worse ios are the same products in different sauce since years, and wp is one of the most boring Os out there. But guess cnn guys don't agree......
    A lot more than just CNN don't agree.
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    12-26-13 09:08 PM
  8. ltxi's Avatar
    the general public doesn't know, want or care about sideloads,,, it's still just a workaround for what should be native apps,,, people want to buy a phone, turn it on, & have what they want to be there & work properly...
    ...X 2....
    12-26-13 09:18 PM
  9. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    So what? The every day user isn't going to blame FB. They're going to blame the makers of the phone in their hand and get a different phone (if that app is important to them).

    Look, sideload, APK, BAR, these are all term that the every day user doesn't want to hear anything about and won't take time trying to understand. People can make all the excused they want, and point to all sorts of roundabout methods to get apps, but you don't make money telling the consumer that they're wrong.
    I'm not telling that consumers are wrong I'm telling what is preventing these apps from getting on the platform.......

    Z10STL100-3/10.2.1.1925
    12-26-13 10:40 PM
  10. collinc93's Avatar
    pro BB folks stop feeding people with esay targets...its laughable at best. Just stick to the facts because anything else and you set yourself for ridicule and there are some who feel they are speaking to ignorant child (you can sense it in the condescending way the responses are written) Stop feeding the fire
    12-26-13 10:55 PM
  11. Alan Bertucci's Avatar
    The only real con is app gap.

    Posted via CB10
    12-27-13 12:29 AM
  12. extisis's Avatar
    i really don't understand what the "app gap" is now really... there's 3rd party apps that do close to or even better what the mainstream app does (ex. SoundNine.bar > SoundCloud.apk). If the app gap includes instagram, vine, netflix etc then that gap is imaginary. If all people cared for was apps then that's why we have iPhones and Androids. The BlackBerry 10 OS, as unfinished as it is, provides more than enough for me and more so than any apple or google product. Oh, and those who diss the gestures are just hypocrites now because iOS7 is copying them almost entirely.
    12-27-13 01:02 AM
  13. BB_Wally's Avatar
    App gap is a huge problem. Also public perception/reality that the company is going under keeps people away.

    Posted via CB10
    12-27-13 01:16 AM
  14. Supa_Fly1's Avatar
    It's CNN. They have always been anti BlackBerry so it won't be a surprise.

    Posted via CB10
    Where did you get "always" from? Man some internet kids have the attention spam of less than a hot tweet!

    CAN Headline News has featured BlackBerry as a darling for years until the past 2 to 3yrs when the stock continued it's steadily decline.

    Lookup Bold 9000 and 9700 Launch with Balsillie.

    Posted via CB10
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    12-27-13 02:16 AM
  15. Thud Hardsmack's Avatar
    No. It doesn't say anything. It's anecdotal.
    anecdotal |ˌanikˈdōtl| adjective
    (of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research: while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact | these claims were purely anecdotal.

    opinion |əˈpinyən| noun
    a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge: I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance

    One of these things is not like the other.
    Of course it's anecdotal. There aren't any hard facts on the difficulty and/or simplicity of gestures in BB10 anywhere. It's purely opinion based on people's personal experience and anecdotal evidence, which makes any report on it an anecdote as well.

    Posted via CB10
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    12-27-13 02:26 AM
  16. Thud Hardsmack's Avatar
    Where did you get "always" from? Man some internet kids have the attention spam of less than a hot tweet!

    CAN Headline News has featured BlackBerry as a darling for years until the past 2 to 3yrs when the stock continued it's steadily decline.

    Lookup Bold 9000 and 9700 Launch with Balsillie.

    Posted via CB10
    Lol I recall Ali Velshi sporting two Blackberries from back then.

    Posted via CB10
    12-27-13 02:41 AM
  17. geenaxion's Avatar
    Good side
    Hub
    Flow
    Ability to sideload android apps(or if on leak install directly)
    Keyboard


    Bad side

    Unfinished os
    Hard gestures
    App gap




    Posted via CB10
    There's nothing hard about the gestures.
    it's easy as pie.

    faster than pressing a home button or back button or whatever buttons others have. )
    Paisley Pirate likes this.
    12-27-13 06:19 AM
  18. Benjamin_NYC's Avatar
    i really don't understand what the "app gap" is now really... there's 3rd party apps that do close to or even better what the mainstream app does (ex. SoundNine.bar > SoundCloud.apk). If the app gap includes instagram, vine, netflix etc then that gap is imaginary. If all people cared for was apps then that's why we have iPhones and Androids. The BlackBerry 10 OS, as unfinished as it is, provides more than enough for me and more so than any apple or google product. Oh, and those who diss the gestures are just hypocrites now because iOS7 is copying them almost entirely.
    In the world of apps, people don't want the knockoff versions. They want the popular thing, by name. It's not like apps are expensive, leading people to jump on the cheaper knock off. Most of the time, the hot apps are free. Why would someone want a knockoff?

    Is this really so hard to get? I mean you wrote you "really don't understand the app gap". You seriously "really don't get" it?

    No leaks. No betas. Ever.
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    12-27-13 06:45 AM
  19. sinsin07's Avatar
    Of course it's anecdotal. There aren't any hard facts on the difficulty and/or simplicity of gestures in BB10 anywhere. It's purely opinion based on people's personal experience and anecdotal evidence, which makes any report on it an anecdote as well.
    And going back to the original response that prompted giving a lesson on the difference between anecdotal and opinion:
    This says it all. Lol
    No. It doesn't say anything It's anecdotal. Therefore in the scope of the discussion, meaningless.
    12-27-13 08:51 AM
  20. sinsin07's Avatar
    snp...faster than pressing a home button or back button or whatever buttons others have. )
    How much faster? Seconds, milliseconds, nanoseconds?

    You do realize that out of the two recent mobile systems that are gesture based, one is defunct, the other has no traction with the public.

    The devices with a home buttons have throughly trounced gestured based systems, sending one into oblivion and another into a tailspin.

    Wonder what the reasons could be.
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    12-27-13 08:57 AM
  21. sinsin07's Avatar
    In the world of apps, people don't want the knockoff versions. They want the popular thing, by name. It's not like apps are expensive, leading people to jump on the cheaper knock off. Most of the time, the hot apps are free. Why would someone want a knockoff?

    Is this really so hard to get? I mean you wrote you "really don't understand the app gap". You seriously "really don't get" it?

    No leaks. No betas. Ever.
    The key to understanding the post is highlighted below:

    Quote Originally Posted by extisis View Post
    i really don't understand what the "app gap" is now really... there's 3rd party apps that do close to or even better what the mainstream app does (ex. SoundNine.bar > SoundCloud.apk). If the app gap includes instagram, vine, netflix etc then that gap is imaginary. If all people cared for was apps then that's why we have iPhones and Androids. The BlackBerry 10 OS, as unfinished as it is, provides more than enough for me and more so than any apple or google product. Oh, and those who diss the gestures are just hypocrites now because iOS7 is copying them almost entirely.


    The problem is it needs to be for just more than "me" for Blackberry to make a dent.
    12-27-13 08:59 AM
  22. walt63's Avatar
    i really don't understand what the "app gap" is now really... there's 3rd party apps that do close to or even better what the mainstream app does (ex. SoundNine.bar > SoundCloud.apk). If the app gap includes instagram, vine, netflix etc then that gap is imaginary. If all people cared for was apps then that's why we have iPhones and Androids. The BlackBerry 10 OS, as unfinished as it is, provides more than enough for me and more so than any apple or google product. Oh, and those who diss the gestures are just hypocrites now because iOS7 is copying them almost entirely.
    I think you may be missing the importance name recognition.

    Ask yourself this question, "Do I have anything in your possession that's a well-known brand name (clothes, food, electronics, medicine, etc.)?"

    If you answer, "yes", there's nothing wrong with that, it's common. But, if you are compelled to oppose the importance of a mainstream app, you would make all your purchasing decisions based on needs and functionality. Therefore, you wouldn't have a pair of Nikes. You would have a pair of an unfamiliar brand. Your dish detergent wouldn't be Dial, it would be a dollar store brand. Instead of having Advil, you'll have a store brand. For every brand product, there's an off-brand substitute.

    So how does this relate to your gripe about people being panzies about mainstream apps? Just like how we comprehend brand recognition, it's the same in the app game, name reputation > functionality.
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    12-27-13 10:31 AM
  23. Oofa's Avatar
    The criteria used to judge "Best and Worst" is so arbitrary and disjointed that you never know what they mean by 'best' or 'worst'. Sometimes reviewers claim BlackBerry is the worst because it still uses a physical keyboard. Sometimes it's because BB10 doesn't have their personal favorite app. It's all hogwash.

    I think BlackBerry should embrace this silly little best-worst idiocy and they should hold a news conference announcing, "The Best and Worst Reviewers of the Year".
    walt63 and kbz1960 like this.
    12-27-13 10:46 AM
  24. walt63's Avatar
    The criteria used to judge "Best and Worst" is so arbitrary and disjointed that you never know what they mean by 'best' or 'worst'. Sometimes reviewers claim BlackBerry is the worst because it still uses a physical keyboard. Sometimes it's because BB10 doesn't have their personal favorite app. It's all hogwash.

    I think BlackBerry should embrace this silly little best-worst idiocy and they should hold a news conference announcing, "The Best and Worst Reviewers of the Year".
    Maybe not this, but I would like to see BBRY start being aggressive and fight back. It seems that they've just turned the other cheek...over and over again. I mean...when both cheeks are bashed in, it's time to start swinging back.
    12-27-13 10:52 AM
  25. Paisley Pirate's Avatar
    My wife is a luddite. As anti-tech as they come. I got her an Android tablet a while back, and she promptly killed it (after asking so many questions and getting so frustrated with it because it didn't do what she wanted it to do)

    I got my Z10 a couple months ago, have handed it to her to make calls or look up stuff while I'm driving... she can swipe it and move stuff around, and just make it work fine.

    I got her an iFruit to replace her android tablet - she has had nothing but problems getting the swipes to work on it... she actually asked me the other day why she couldn't get it to work like my phone does....

    The whole gesture thing boils down to this: people who diss in some of the reviews are so programmed to iOS are either too stupid or lazy to learn something else - or they are selling you something (iOS) . BB10 gestures work. Period.

    As far as the "app gap" - there are a few glaring omissions that BB should address... no argument from me... HOWEVER, when I hear about sheer numbers of apps... honestly people, be willing to step up and point out a couple of facts -

    1) a lot of those apps are phishing expeditions to get your information - https://blogs.rsa.com/rogue-mobile-a...are-and-fraud/

    2) A whole lot of apps are simply not being used or are zombies: 700K of the 1.2M apps available for iPhone, Android, and Windows are zombies | VentureBeat | Mobile | by John Koetsier

    But, of course, CNN will never delve into actually doing any reporting... so we'll never hear about either of these little facts...
    12-27-13 10:59 AM
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