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  1. Mr. Marco's Avatar
    Way back when Palm was the king, their devices were it, when someone mentioned "smartphone" 95% of people would immediately think Palm. fast forward a bit and you see that Palm was crushed under the weight of the "consumer blackberry" explosion and iPhone craze. (Palm is trying to make a comeback with their Web OS.)

    Now it gets real interesting with Google entering the war with Android OS. IF there is a company right now that can spank Apple in the smartphone wars I think it's Google. Apple is stuck on one carrier (AT&T) with one device and their OS found on no other devices. Google has their OS spread on basically almost every single major service provider and on multiple devices. Anyone with any business sense could tell you Apple won't stay "champ" much longer on their current smartphone business model/structure.

    So this is where RIM comes in. I can't help but to have a gut feeling that RIM is starting to lose their ground a bit. They have made progress in making Blackberry more consumer oriented but after all the hype (e.g. BB Storm) the current devices just doesn't blow people's minds. They keep putting out "better" blackberries but they aren't huge leap forwards, and OS 5.0 at least to me, was a let down because it is once again the same old BB OS, just jazzed up a bit.

    The iPhone love it or hate it, can't be denied the fact that it does what it's supposed to do rather quite well and that Apple really changed the landscape of the cell phone industry forever with it. Google now with the Android OS is in my mind doing it right and could even possibly eventually "beat" Apple.

    Is RIM going to become the next Palm? Is RIM blind or acting to slow to the market? Why can't RIM wake up and put out an awesome brand spanking new OS with a device that has 2GB of app memory and a 1Ghz processor ready to tear things up!?
    01-15-10 10:53 PM
  2. julioangelortiz's Avatar
    RIM wants to attract the consumer space but is too heavily tied into their corporate roots, with locking down the device, withholding certain APIs from developers, and building their OS on Java. They need to quicken the pace of their development and really innovate their OS, because they are starting to look like they're standing still a bit. Just my $0.02.
    01-15-10 11:07 PM
  3. pilsbury's Avatar
    Dont get me wrong, I love Blackberry and have had almost every model over the last four years. That being said, I agree-they are losing ground somewhat. Its the same old OS just packaged differently. Dont give us a trackpad, give us a new OS and a new browser. Like it or not, the iPhone browser, especially on the 3Gs model is the industry standard. If Apple can do it, so can RIM.
    01-15-10 11:10 PM
  4. julioangelortiz's Avatar
    Dont give us a trackpad, give us a new OS and a new browser. Like it or not, the iPhone browser, especially on the 3Gs model is the industry standard. If Apple can do it, so can RIM.
    You nailed it. RIM has had, what? 2 1/2 years to match up with Safari and has nothing yet? They had to purchase Torch Mobile to do it.

    I think this year is going to be a pivotal one for RIM. If they get the new browser out this summer, if it works great, *and* make it available for not just brand new devices but existing ones (OS 4.7 / 5.0) they'll make a lot of people happy. But that's not enough; the Flash support and real improvements to the OS need to take place (the rumored widgets support in OS 5.1).

    And don't get me wrong; I love my 9700, and I see that RIM has come a ways, but I see the potential for so much more.
    01-15-10 11:15 PM
  5. vincentnyc's Avatar
    Oh yeah, allow us install 3rd party apps on our sd card, rim!

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    01-15-10 11:41 PM
  6. oasissux's Avatar
    RIM is the undisputed king of the smartphone. They unequivocally dominate the business market and they almost singlehandedly brought the smartphone to the consumer space. Are they seeing more competition? Undoubtedly. Will they rest on their laurels and watch their market share get eaten up by competitors? Doubtful. They clearly have some of the brightest minds working for them and they're well-positioned to continue as the leading smartphone provider. I find it laughable that people think a multi-billion dollar company isn't constantly striving to better their products with the latest and the greatest. I guess time will tell.
    01-16-10 12:42 AM
  7. pokerpro's Avatar
    there coming out with new phones every 3 months don't really think there slipping just yet
    01-16-10 12:47 AM
  8. RideMadone's Avatar
    BB market share goes up every year so I don't know about slipping. Having said that, the browser does SUCK.
    01-16-10 12:55 AM
  9. grydlok's Avatar
    there coming out with new phones every 3 months don't really think there slipping just yet
    But it's the same phone every three months.
    01-16-10 12:55 AM
  10. bluz's Avatar
    You nailed it. RIM has had, what? 2 1/2 years to match up with Safari and has nothing yet? They had to purchase Torch Mobile to do it.

    I think this year is going to be a pivotal one for RIM. If they get the new browser out this summer, if it works great, *and* make it available for not just brand new devices but existing ones (OS 4.7 / 5.0) they'll make a lot of people happy. But that's not enough; the Flash support and real improvements to the OS need to take place (the rumored widgets support in OS 5.1).

    And don't get me wrong; I love my 9700, and I see that RIM has come a ways, but I see the potential for so much more.
    Julio I completely agree with your posts.RIM has come a long way but still needs to travel that extra mile to be on par with the competitors.I am addicted to my BB but sometimes am frustrated at the simple things that BB can't perform.
    01-16-10 01:07 AM
  11. andi08's Avatar
    Good comments. Very interesting views as well. Even though rim bring out new phones out every 3 months , they are virtually the same phones though. I do think they need to bring out something radical out, something completly new. The iphone is a fab phone, the google phones are superb too. Also the new palm is good too, I had a htc magic and loved it. It was just unreliable on emails, if not for that I would have kept it. As my friend said to me, bb is great for emails and texting n but that's it. Her iphone is damn good, the nexus looks gorgeous-even though glitches at the moment. But the storm did-and still does. I hope rim read our views and do something, as I too feel rim is lagging behind. But I do love my 8900.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    01-16-10 02:30 AM
  12. abezapata's Avatar
    I love competition. In the end we the consumers win. Better devices newer technology! Can't go wrong with that.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    01-16-10 03:26 AM
  13. BB_Storm4me's Avatar
    Because of it's business roots, the RIM OS is doomed in the evolving (and demanding) consumer market. It will be very difficult for RIM to compete with Android minus a complete rewrite of their OS. In addition, other OS platforms and software solutions make BES less attractive to the small/mid business user. The large corporations and government will keep RIM afloat for a while.

    I also think the quality of RIM hardware is slipping. Despite the fact that all RIM ever does is repackage different combinations and call it new, they can't seem to even keep these phones operating. Most people I know with BlackBerry's have had to return them multiple times for hardware defects/failures.

    Add it all up...slow old OS, increased hardware defects/failures (Tour trackball, high return rates) unable to innovate (Storm 2 touch screen is decent, but not revolutionary), TOTAL inability to respond quickly to the problems they shoved out the door (Storm - still waiting for a decent OS, but small memory will always handicap this phone), and slow to market with improvements (Storm 2 and Tour 2 took too long for the incremental improvements)...RIM will be run over in the consumer market by Android and the iPhone 4G if it comes to Verizon.

    As Dr. Phil would say..."the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior." RIM has peaked and it's all down hill from here.
    01-16-10 09:25 AM
  14. kilofox#CB's Avatar
    All RIM needs to do is look at Nokia and S60. The E71 was probably the best built phone I have ever owned. But..... S60 even back then was long-in-the-tooth.

    If it wasnt for HTC building a shell on top of Winmo, Winmo would be in the same boat.

    RIM is heading down the same path with its OS... they need to break out OS sooner than later.

    Pretty soon Apple and Android will be able to do everything that RIM can do in the business world, RIM cant match them in the consumer world now. As things are going it appears to me that Apple and Android are closing the gap with RIM in business, and increasing the gap with RIM with consumers.

    Not good RIM.
    01-16-10 09:38 AM
  15. big_time2's Avatar
    But it's the same phone every three months.
    That's how they get us addicted to their phones. If they had a new phone once a year, or maybe twice a year, not many people would be buying them.

    A lot of people (myself included) buy BlackBerry phones a few times within their two year contracts. RIM wouldn't be making as much money if they released one or two devices every couple of years.
    01-16-10 09:45 AM
  16. amazinglygraceless's Avatar
    RIM is the undisputed king of the smartphone. They unequivocally dominate the business market and they almost singlehandedly brought the smartphone to the consumer space. Are they seeing more competition? Undoubtedly. Will they rest on their laurels and watch their market share get eaten up by competitors? Doubtful. They clearly have some of the brightest minds working for them and they're well-positioned to continue as the leading smartphone provider. I find it laughable that people think a multi-billion dollar company isn't constantly striving to better their products with the latest and the greatest. I guess time will tell.
    This actually made me laugh.

    1) RIM is the undisputed king in North America. Worldwide that title goes to
    Nokia, with over 50% market share.

    2) RIM produced it's first smartphone in 2002. 10 year after IBM introduced
    the first. Followed by Nokia 4 years later, then Ericsson and then Palm in 2001.
    They, RIM, isn't even close to bringing the smartphone to market.
    Business space or consumer space.

    3) Considering there has been no material change to the OS in ages and the
    best RIM seems to be able to do is pump out devices that are slight
    variations on existing themes belie the "not resting on their laurels" idea.

    4) I find it even more laughable that anyone thinks RIM is giving us the
    "latest and greatest" devices. Repackage a 8900 and call it a Tour. Downsize
    both and call it the new Bold. Produce the Storm 1, arguably the biggest
    piece of crap to ever come out of RIM. Make a "new" OS that really offers
    nothing earth shaking by comparison to the old OS. Put in a trackpad,
    which other manufacturers have been doing for years and call that
    innovation. Yeah "the best and the brightest" (your words) are working
    overtime.
    01-16-10 09:46 AM
  17. pilsbury's Avatar
    ^^^^ agree 100%
    01-16-10 12:04 PM
  18. rgray331975's Avatar
    hate to say it, but if i dont see a big leap in ram or the ability to download apps to media card in the next two years im gone
    01-16-10 12:13 PM
  19. andi08's Avatar
    Have to admit amazingraceless comments bang on. I do fear for rim.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    01-16-10 12:43 PM
  20. vincentnyc's Avatar
    hate to say it, but if i dont see a big leap in ram or the ability to download apps to media card in the next two years im gone
    yeah can i get an amen on that.
    01-16-10 12:47 PM
  21. jgodin03's Avatar
    RIM cant close the eyes like palm did... It would be catastrophic.
    01-16-10 01:07 PM
  22. Reed McLay's Avatar
    Success Factors

    Through development and integration of hardware, software and services, RIM provides end-to-end wireless solutions for seamless access to time-sensitive information including email, voice, instant messaging, SMS, social networking, Internet and intranet-based applications. RIM’s integration and focus of research and development teams in radio frequency, hardware and software design, antenna design, circuit board design, integrated circuit design, power management, industrial design, and manufacturing engineering result in cost-effective solutions that offer small size, efficient battery usage, ease of use, robust security and a significant return on investment to customers.

    RIM believes that the following characteristics give it a competitive advantage and differentiate its products and services:

    “Always On, Always Connected”. The BlackBerry wireless solution uses a push-based architecture where the device is in constant connection with the network. BlackBerry users are provided with immediate message delivery, which has become the established industry benchmark.

    Extended Functionality. Users increasingly require smartphones to be versatile, easy-to-use and provide a robust level of functionality in terms of configuration, features and customizable options. RIM has consistently developed products that balance end users’ demand for features with the demands of IT managers for security and manageability. RIM’s focus on business-grade solutions has won RIM a market-leading role for the enterprise market and a prominent position in the emerging prosumer and consumer market.

    Pricing. The return on investment for the BlackBerry wireless solution provides customers with rapid payback for their purchase. The primary sources of benefits include personal productivity and team workflow enhancements. Additionally, the low bandwidth nature of the BlackBerry wireless solution allows carriers to offer service packages to their customers at favourable rates compared to conventional usage of session based networking over wireless networks. In addition, RIM continues to launch new IT administrator and end user feature sets designed to lower the cost of buying, deploying and managing the solution. The network
    efficiency of the BlackBerry solution may also lead to lower data roaming charges for customers.

    ...
    The people that really know what is going on have a very well considered strategy to stay competitive in the marketplace.

    Strength of the BlackBerry Brand and Market Awareness. ...
    Support for Multiple Carriers, Geographies and Network Protocols. ...
    Support for Third Party Devices. ...
    Intellectual Property Rights. ...
    Extensibility and Flexible Architecture. ...
    Support of a Vibrant Developer Community. ...
    Access to Key Corporate Data Stores. ...
    Security. ...
    Manageability. ...
    BlackBerry Outbound Port Architecture. ...
    Multiple Channels.
    ...
    Many have noted, in the past year of doubt and uncertainly, Research in Motion has been adding a lot of jobs... a lot.
    01-16-10 01:21 PM
  23. syb0rg's Avatar
    RIM is the undisputed king of the smartphone. They unequivocally dominate the business market and they almost singlehandedly brought the smartphone to the consumer space. Are they seeing more competition? Undoubtedly. Will they rest on their laurels and watch their market share get eaten up by competitors? Doubtful. They clearly have some of the brightest minds working for them and they're well-positioned to continue as the leading smartphone provider. I find it laughable that people think a multi-billion dollar company isn't constantly striving to better their products with the latest and the greatest. I guess time will tell.
    You post made me laugh, seriously, classic humor..

    you last line

    I find it laughable that people think a multi-billion dollar company isn't constantly striving to better their products with the latest and the greatest. I guess time will tell.
    General Motors, multi billion buisness, had to ask good ole uncle Sam for money twice in the past 16 months. And they haven't produced a improvement to their line in decades... it's the same crappy cars with the same crappy drive train, made in same crappy fashion.

    RIM is my cell-phone of choice as of current, only because i haven't found a smart phone i like else where. if android came out with a phone smiliar to the Touch Pro 2 layout i'd be all over that like a fat kid on Krispy Cream doughnuts....

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    01-16-10 01:25 PM
  24. Xopher's Avatar
    I think it is short-sighted to think that nothing new is coming. It's more of the "I want it now!" generation.

    RIM bought Torch Mobile. It would not surprise me if they had a new browser with much more capabilities in less than a year of that purchase.

    RIM partnered with Adobe and is bringing Flash to BlackBerry devices. There are already samples of Flash capabilities they have shown, so it will probably be partnered with the Torch browser release.

    OpenGL was just announced. The Storm2 already has OpenGL support and games are starting to appear for it. The Tour2 will more than likely have OpenGL support.

    There are a lot of changes coming in the near future. I'm excited to see what RIM has up their sleeve.
    01-16-10 01:48 PM
  25. Jerry Hildenbrand's Avatar
    RIM will keep a high % of the US market share until two things happen.

    Other platforms perfect Exchange Activesync.
    Someone codes a good Exchange server replacement that runs on enterprise Unix.

    In today's economy the above would equal a savings to great to resist. And both are already close to being reality. The addition of mythical webkit browsers, openGL, application storage size increases, etc. will make very little difference to RIM's preferred target audience.
    01-16-10 02:18 PM
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