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  1. bigman2's Avatar
    Or the people who dont vote and still **** and moan about the president?!? I dont get people
    I don't want to get this too far off topic, but that particular bit of reasoning doesn't really work. Suppose you vote, and the person you vote for (let's call him George Bush) gets into office and proceeds to screw everything up. Well, YOU voted them in, YOU are part of the problem, YOU have no right to complain. Assuming I didn't vote, I have absolutely nothing to do with the problem(s) the person YOU voted in created, and have every right to complain as loudly as I want about the mess YOU helped create, and I had nothing to do with.

    And yes, I'm paraphrasing the late George Carlin. Just because the guy was a stand up comic doesn't make his point any less valid. Unlike CK, who's simply a troll... And having never used a Storm to any great extent, is wholly unqualified to talk about it's various good and bad points.

    Anyway, if you wish to continue this, PM or some other forum would probably be the place.
    02-24-09 03:15 PM
  2. bigman2's Avatar
    From the MSM7600 Data Sheet:

    "Advanced 2D/3D graphics support with up to 4 million 3D triangles per second,
    and 133 million 3D textured pixels per second fill rate"

    That's not mind-blowing graphics capabilities, but if RIM is already tapping into that power with their current OSes, they're doing a horrible job at it. That's decent power going to waste.
    Well yeah, we know it's THERE. No one's contesting that bit. We just don't know whether or not it's being USED. Maybe it is, maybe it's not, maybe it's being used somewhat... We simply don't know one way or the other.
    02-24-09 03:18 PM
  3. xxxxpradaxxxx's Avatar
    In the right context, it makes sense. It is directed toward Cereal Killer, a Curve user.

    This is a public forum, everybody has an opinion. Cereal Killer and I have an understanding. He is on good behaviour in this sub forum and I will content moderate anything I please.

    His presence sparks debate and I have always found his viewpoint worthy of consideration.

    +1 Could you Quote yourself and make this a sticky in this subforum?!
    02-24-09 03:32 PM
  4. xattica's Avatar
    Sigh...another person who just spouts things they heard from some troll..VZW did not prevent the storm from having wifi...there is plenty of and NO evidence to backup them crippling wifi on the storm. (they have done this in the past with other phones and this is where their bad rep came from but they do not do this on ANY smartphone nowadays)

    edit: and your post is barely readable...ESL?
    My troll friend this is data, not a gossip. I'm an Engineer. I used data to "spouts things".
    Data (evidence to back this up):
    http://www.cdmatech.com/download_lib...00_chipset.pdf

    Go to graphics, Connectivity and the RF and PM chipset combinations. The Storm combination is RFR6525/RTR6275

    And so sorry, if is barely readable. But I noticed you undertand my point. That's why you quote me. My main language is Spanish.

    And because this is Storm Rants & Raves Forum you are a moron.
    Last edited by xattica; 02-24-09 at 03:48 PM.
    02-24-09 03:40 PM
  5. jeffmvr's Avatar
    Cereal Killer's profile states he owns a Curve, not a Storm. The comment is pointing that out and subtly questioning the credibility of the comments, given that the user does not appear to actually own the device.
    And what about those of us who returned the phone? Posters such as asmallchild (fitting name, I know) are too ignorant to realize people actually, at one point, owned the phone and returned it (go figure). I owned this phone and still deal with it everyday (family and coworkers have them). I think I am just as credible as anybody. I have updated my coworkers phones to every leaked OS so far and my opinion of this phone has improved somewhat. The hardware is where the downfall is. Its pathetic build quality and pathetic plastic parts are a joke.

    RIM needs to get away from touchscreen devices and stick with what they're good at.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    02-24-09 04:10 PM
  6. bigman2's Avatar
    And what about those of us who returned the phone?
    Personally, I wonder why you bother coming in to this particular subforum if you don't own one any longer. I could see keeping tabs on the others, but coming here makes me suspect that there's an ulterior motive at work.

    The person who no longer has any kind of emotional stake in the device would not come into a forum that is all about opinion. So, you're either looking for a little ego stroking and an opportunity to do a bit of trolling... Or you're looking for some kind of reason to convince you to give the Storm a second chance.
    02-24-09 04:21 PM
  7. cereal killer's Avatar
    If I had more time, or frankly desire, I'd set about proving your alter ego... But then I just think: A troll's a troll, so who cares if you have a bunch of different accounts you post under when this one gets banned for trolling?
    I wouldn't resort to that type of behavior (multiple accounts) give me at least a little credit : )
    02-24-09 04:23 PM
  8. Hawse771's Avatar


    My troll friend this is data, not a gossip. I'm an Engineer. I used data to "spouts things".
    Data (evidence to back this up):
    http://www.cdmatech.com/download_lib...00_chipset.pdf

    Go to graphics, Connectivity and the RF and PM chipset combinations. The Storm combination is RFR6525/RTR6275

    And so sorry, if is barely readable. But I noticed you undertand my point. That's why you quote me. My main language is Spanish.

    And because this is Storm Rants & Raves Forum you are a moron.
    SUPPORT for is the keyword mr engineer. Not that its built in and taken off by VZW which WOULD BE CRIPPLING it like stated moronicly earlier in this thread (albeit in different wordage). Nice try though, got any more facts for be besides a data sheet that ANY chump can find on the inet?

    Fact, VZW offers 4 Smartphones with WiFi..., RIM came out and said WHY the 9530 didn't have WiFi not VZW...if it was VZW being evil why doesnt Telus/Bell have wifi on the storm? The only storm that WILL have wifi is one that isnt even out yet and doesn't even have a release date as of now nor are all components verified. We have no idea what is missing from the 9520 that is on the 9530 (like CDMA chip?)

    Here's another fact..VZW REQUIRES data plans on all smart phones, you cannot get free inet. They have crippled wifi on dumbphones in the past because they had no way to make people pay for data on them. Carry on smart guy
    02-24-09 04:29 PM
  9. xxxxpradaxxxx's Avatar
    Personally, I wonder why you bother coming in to this particular subforum if you don't own one any longer. I could see keeping tabs on the others, but coming here makes me suspect that there's an ulterior motive at work.

    The person who no longer has any kind of emotional stake in the device would not come into a forum that is all about opinion. So, you're either looking for a little ego stroking and an opportunity to do a bit of trolling... Or you're looking for some kind of reason to convince you to give the Storm a second chance.
    Again, To Reitirate what Reed Said-

    This is a PUBLIC forum.

    You Don't Have to Mail in the Barcode on Your Phones' Box To The CB Gods in Order to Have Access to a Specific Thread, or Topic.

    There is No Super Secret Password or Handshake.



    Forums are Meant for DISCUSSION.

    The RANTS and RAVES forum is for just that- DISCUSSION.

    IF there was no DISCUSSION, or Opposing Opinions, This Would Be a Pretty Dead Forum.

    Actually, If there weren't So Many RANTS About the Storm, This Forum Would Be Pretty Dead Anyway.

    Just Because a Person Does Not Agree With Your Opinion, All of a Sudden they're a Troll?

    If that's the Case, You're in for a Rude Awakening in the Real World.
    Last edited by xxxxpradaxxxx; 02-24-09 at 04:35 PM.
    02-24-09 04:31 PM
  10. Oilbrnr's Avatar
    bigman = big denial

    Less than a week until March, I get all warm and fuzzy just thinking about the RIM app store.

    Failing

    This seriously is one epic smartphone failure, both hardware AND software.
    02-24-09 04:40 PM
  11. Hawse771's Avatar
    Again, To Reitirate what Reed Said-


    There is No Super Secret Password or Handshake.



    Actually, If there weren't So Many RANTS About the Storm, This Forum Would Be Pretty Dead Anyway.

    Just Because a Person Does Not Agree With Your Opinion, All of a Sudden they're a Troll?

    If that's the Case, You're in for a Rude Awakening in the Real World.
    But a handshake would be cool and you know it

    Serious note: Rants/Raves is actually the 2nd least used part of the storm forum if you exclude the lounge which is new and doesnt even count towards posts etc. The OS/3rd Party apps/Main storm forum all have significantly more traffic then the rants/raves section.

    *For reference rants/raves is less then 7% of Storms total posts so we could live without it question is could you lol jk
    02-24-09 04:40 PM
  12. cereal killer's Avatar
    CAN WE GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT!

    NO ONE is stuck with the storm ok...everyone had 30 days to get rid of it period no questions asked take any device, and dont give me some "VZW doesn't have any other phones I want BS" bc that means you do want the storm.

    Now I can see some people kept with it hoping for it to get better and got passed their 30 days (maybe RCCollins) but guess what you can still hock the phone on Ebay for what you paid (unless if you bought it outright which is moronic for any phone). You would have to try hard to not get $200 for a good condition storm on ebay or atleast be within $20. So STFU and get rid of it if you hate it. Ranting is one thing but if you HATE the phone get rid of it or STFU because you're either full of it and dont hate it or just love to complain and hang on to it just to whine.

    Its like that annoying a$$ friend with a crappy gf and all they do is **** and moan **** and moan but NEVER do anything about it. Or the people who dont vote and still **** and moan about the president?!? I dont get people
    Hawse take it easy and calm down. Thats unneccesary. I'm thinking this may not be the forum for you. Everybody in here, whether they own the device, don't own it, like it, hate it, want to talk about it, rant about it, praise it, curse it, constantly complain about it, has that right. This is a COMMUNITY forum where tons of differing opinions will be "heard".

    Again this is a "rants and raves" forum and it's to be expected. There was a need for this section to not clutter the other forums up. You clearly are getting emotionally wrapped up in all of this and thats a bad place to be. I would suggest that you not come in here if it causes you this kind of aggravation and anger. It's just not worth it : )

    "edit: Prada I'm flattered that people think you are my alter ego.*
    Last edited by cereal killer; 02-24-09 at 04:45 PM.
    02-24-09 04:42 PM
  13. Crucial_Xtreme's Avatar
    Sometimes I do wonder, whats good with 624MHz of processor power when simple executions such as home screen scrolling lags?

    Or typing lags? Or takes more than 5 seconds to save a photo?

    I can only say its either the BlackBerry OS is too much of a bloatware, or that the Storm's hardware is too inefficient.
    The Storms processor is not 624MHz. The HW is fine, and the SW is fine now.
    02-24-09 04:53 PM
  14. xxxxpradaxxxx's Avatar
    But a handshake would be cool and you know it

    Serious note: Rants/Raves is actually the 2nd least used part of the storm forum if you exclude the lounge which is new and doesnt even count towards posts etc. The OS/3rd Party apps/Main storm forum all have significantly more traffic then the rants/raves section.

    *For reference rants/raves is less then 7% of Storms total posts so we could live without it question is could you lol jk
    Meh.

    Technicalities-

    The Storm Thread is by far the most populated.

    You Can Make a Post and 1 Hour Later It'll Be On Page Two.

    You Have to Admit-

    The Storm Has Been the Most Controversial, and Most Attention Grabbing BlackBerry to Date.

    It was the Storm That Brought This Website to It's Knee's Upon it Inception.

    Don't Deny That a Large Slice of That Pie Was From Problems with the Devices Hardware and Software.

    And Yes I agree, A Super Secret BlackBerry Handshake would Indeed Be Fun!



    CK: LOL The Rumour I heard Floating Around CB is that All Storm Naysayers are Actually The Same Person Using Multiple Accounts.

    Do You Know Who The Main Suspect Is? Bill Clinton.

    Yes, It was Bill Clinton's Master Plan To Bad Talk The Storm And Be Labeled a Troll on CB all Along!

    Why You Ask?

    Steve Jobs Has Brainwashed Bill Clinton into Being an Apple Fan Boi.

    It all Makes sense now, Doesn't it?

    BWAHAHAHA
    02-24-09 04:55 PM
  15. TheMisses's Avatar
    It's neither. You're obviously still using .75 still, so just wait for the next official update, or install a leaked build now. It seriously will seem like a new phone at that point.

    Despite the commentary from one of our resident trolls, who has pretty well shown s/he doesn't know what s/he is talking about, the simple fact is that times are changing. RIM can no longer afford to sit around and take their time to get a phone just right before releasing it. Where they were once the only real game in town, now they have Apple and WinMo phones starting to breathe down their necks. So the Storm ended up being pushed out the door before it was ready software wise given its ambition, and that means some of the initial bumps are a bit bigger.

    You can whine and complain about it all you like, it's the way things are likely going to be from here on out.
    I think that the only reason the storm was released so early was due to greedyness on the part of RIM. Not because they couldn't release a finished product.

    If they really can't do that, then they are incompetent. Plain and simple. As is any other company that does that. They are pushing each other in that direction then, while if they just would keep their heads cool then users would notice soon enough that phone A is released as crap and phone B is released a month or two later but is superior and finished. This is something that will get consumers to choose for the B phone after just having bought one or two misses. Any arse that thinks differently is just so hung up on the marketing crap they have studied that they are starting to believe in their own (the industries that is) lies and will defend it whether their arguments make sense or not, all from a "business point of view". Which is a nice way of saying: F you and the product, we just want your cash.

    There are certain people in certain industries, especially technology and medicine, who are pushing this. And something will go wrong very badly at some point in time and then they will learn. Or not, because they have a massive concrete plate infront of their faces. Luckily in medicine that stuff has forcibly been put on brakes by law. Other industries have not as of yet.

    Its the same as it went in the financial sector. Everyone was acting like they knew what they were talking about and everyone bought into it. Even the so called specialists and because of that, also the rest of the sheep, being the population of course. Financial laws will also be restricted in the near future, restrictions are already being put in place. Obama told me just a moment ago. Yes, he is among us here on crackberry.

    Its just crap. People hyping people just for their own profit. I can't believe so many people are that way. They should all be sh*t in place No doubt about it. That kind of person ruins other people due to the kind of behavior they are promoting. But of course in their eyes that isn't so. Up to the point that they become a "victim" of someone else who justifies his actions by the same sort of bull that the other guy has been using all that time. But then of course.... they can't understand that themselves.

    And so the cycle continues.

    Humans.... Arses.
    Last edited by TheMisses; 02-24-09 at 05:05 PM.
    02-24-09 04:58 PM
  16. xxxxpradaxxxx's Avatar
    They should all be shot.
    That's a Bit Extreme-

    I think being Tickled by Richard Simmons is a Suitable Punishment.

    To Quote Myself From Another Thread:

    Where's the CB version of FEMA?

    Surely the Storm is the equivalent of Hurricane Katrina!
    02-24-09 04:59 PM
  17. cereal killer's Avatar
    Meh.

    Technicalities-

    The Storm Thread is by far the most populated.

    You Can Make a Post and 1 Hour Later It'll Be On Page Two.

    You Have to Admit-

    The Storm Has Been the Most Controversial, and Most Attention Grabbing BlackBerry to Date.

    It was the Storm That Brought This Website to It's Knee's Upon it Inception.

    Don't Deny That a Large Slice of That Pie Was From Problems with the Devices Hardware and Software.

    And Yes I agree, A Super Secret BlackBerry Handshake would Indeed Be Fun!



    CK: LOL The Rumour I heard Floating Around CB is that All Storm Naysayers are Actually The Same Person Using Multiple Accounts.

    Do You Know Who The Main Suspect Is? Bill Clinton.

    Yes, It was Bill Clinton's Master Plan To Bad Talk The Storm And Be Labeled a Troll on CB all Along!

    Why You Ask?

    Steve Jobs Has Brainwashed Bill Clinton into Being an Apple Fan Boi.

    It all Makes sense now, Doesn't it?

    BWAHAHAHA
    little do they know we are all at an internet cafe in Zimbabwe. I will have to go in a minute though I just got a hit from this guy in New York. He fell for my "Widow of deceased oil baron wants to transfer 100M USD to your account if you can help her" email.

    I do agree with you that it is the most attention grabbing Berry to date. It has sparked a lot of controversy all over the web.
    02-24-09 05:06 PM
  18. xattica's Avatar
    SUPPORT for is the keyword mr engineer. Not that its built in and taken off by VZW which WOULD BE CRIPPLING it like stated moronicly earlier in this thread (albeit in different wordage). Nice try though, got any more facts for be besides a data sheet that ANY chump can find on the inet?

    Fact, VZW offers 4 Smartphones with WiFi..., RIM came out and said WHY the 9530 didn't have WiFi not VZW...if it was VZW being evil why doesnt Telus/Bell have wifi on the storm? The only storm that WILL have wifi is one that isnt even out yet and doesn't even have a release date as of now nor are all components verified. We have no idea what is missing from the 9520 that is on the 9530 (like CDMA chip?)

    Here's another fact..VZW REQUIRES data plans on all smart phones, you cannot get free inet. They have crippled wifi on dumbphones in the past because they had no way to make people pay for data on them. Carry on smart guy
    WOW, very intelligent way of thinking mr. I know everything other dont.. Now QualCOMM lie in the data sheets of it own product. And for 9520(or 9540), is a new design. Is not about what is missing or not.
    I Dont know how many phone vzw have with WiFi. Im talking about a specific phone with a MSM7600 chipset inside.

    Best regards,
    Mr. Engineer
    02-24-09 05:10 PM
  19. chuk1005's Avatar
    The Storms processor is not 624MHz. The HW is fine, and the SW is fine now.
    ^^^^ most important statement on this thread....wondering what OS he has now.
    02-24-09 05:11 PM
  20. Bajanbastard's Avatar
    SUPPORT for is the keyword mr engineer. Not that its built in and taken off by VZW which WOULD BE CRIPPLING it like stated moronicly earlier in this thread (albeit in different wordage). Nice try though, got any more facts for be besides a data sheet that ANY chump can find on the inet?

    Fact, VZW offers 4 Smartphones with WiFi..., RIM came out and said WHY the 9530 didn't have WiFi not VZW...if it was VZW being evil why doesnt Telus/Bell have wifi on the storm? The only storm that WILL have wifi is one that isnt even out yet and doesn't even have a release date as of now nor are all components verified. We have no idea what is missing from the 9520 that is on the 9530 (like CDMA chip?)

    Here's another fact..VZW REQUIRES data plans on all smart phones, you cannot get free inet. They have crippled wifi on dumbphones in the past because they had no way to make people pay for data on them. Carry on smart guy
    Sorry but even CX said the excuse the Storm doesn't have Wi-Fi was a straight up LIE. My 8900 is smaller and way lighter than the Storm and it was GPS (that works) and Wi-Fi. The Bold has 3G, Wi-Fi and GPS.
    02-24-09 05:23 PM
  21. xxxxpradaxxxx's Avatar
    The Bold has 3G, Wi-Fi and GPS.
    And it STILL feels lighter than the Storm...
    02-24-09 05:27 PM
  22. Hawse771's Avatar
    WOW, very intelligent way of thinking mr. I know everything other dont.. Now QualCOMM lie in the data sheets of it own product. And for 9520(or 9540), is a new design. Is not about what is missing or not.
    I Dont know how many phone vzw have with WiFi. Im talking about a specific phone with a MSM7600 chipset inside.

    Best regards,
    Mr. Engineer
    Read the sheet you posted a link too. You CANT be an engineer. IT SAIS "SUPPORT FOR". What does that mean...??? IT MEANS IT SUPPORTS IT NOT THAT ITS IN THE CHIP..Jesus christ...I feel like I need to sit down with hooked on phonics and you to spell this out.

    VZW DID NOT DISABLE AND OR PREVENT THE STORM FROM HAVING WIFI. This would require RIM saying here's a device with Wifi and VZW saying nah we dont allow that. If that were the case TELUS/BELL would have wifi on their storm...WHAT dont you get about this simple concept?
    Last edited by Hawse771; 02-24-09 at 05:37 PM.
    02-24-09 05:32 PM
  23. Hawse771's Avatar
    Hawse take it easy and calm down. Thats unneccesary. I'm thinking this may not be the forum for you. Everybody in here, whether they own the device, don't own it, like it, hate it, want to talk about it, rant about it, praise it, curse it, constantly complain about it, has that right. This is a COMMUNITY forum where tons of differing opinions will be "heard".

    Again this is a "rants and raves" forum and it's to be expected. There was a need for this section to not clutter the other forums up. You clearly are getting emotionally wrapped up in all of this and thats a bad place to be. I would suggest that you not come in here if it causes you this kind of aggravation and anger. It's just not worth it : )

    "edit: Prada I'm flattered that people think you are my alter ego.*
    I have to admit stupidity pisses me off. Well having a bad day at work doesn't help lol . In all sincerity hating the storm is fine..no one has to like it for me to care. But if you hate something get rid of it..simple as that. If I hated my tv I wouldnt keep using it..if I hated a shirt, I wouldnt wear it...hate a food joint...dont eat there! Hate a phone that can easily be sold for enough money to buy another phone..then get rid of it!!!

    This goes for everything in life that can easily be done without..obviously if you hate your house or car you can't just sell it but come on folks..quit acting like the storm being a "failure" (which is subjective) affects you one bit unless if its a work provided phone that you aren't allowed to swap in which case it affects your employer more than you.

    edit: and I dont tolerate people spewing things on a forum that have no factual basis because there are a lot of newbies that pop in and will buy every word of it. Then we'll have people going around bashing VZW for keeping wifi off the storm and bashing RIM for building a device that cost "$28" There are plenty of other things to bash these 2 companies for if need be but lets keep things as fact based as possible.
    Last edited by Hawse771; 02-24-09 at 05:40 PM.
    02-24-09 05:36 PM
  24. pyroja's Avatar
    It would be great to have a thread that discussed the technical aspects of the Storm without degrading into a bunch of bickering. I would love it if we could talk about the details of the hardware, like what the processor is capable of instead of why it doesn't have WiFi.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    02-24-09 05:44 PM
  25. xattica's Avatar
    Read the sheet you posted a link too. You CANT be an engineer. IT SAIS "SUPPORT FOR". What does that mean...??? IT MEANS IT SUPPORTS IT NOT THAT ITS IN THE CHIP..Jesus christ...I feel like I need to sit down with hooked on phonics and you to spell this out.

    VZW DID NOT DISABLE AND OR PREVENT THE STORM FROM HAVING WIFI. This would require RIM saying here's a device with Wifi and VZW saying nah we dont allow that. If that were the case TELUS/BELL would have wifi on their storm...WHAT dont you get about this simple concept?

    Damn u a moron. I will end this figth now. Is nice to debate about anything with open people but you dont. You the one that needs to read better.
    The sheet read supports in several parts:
    -Support for MS-Assisted (GPS), the Strorm has GPS?
    -Support for for MDDI, the Storm has MDDI?
    -Support for stereo output, the Storm has stereo output?
    -Support for external Bluetooth, the storm has it???
    Get the point.

    Also, I really dont care if you trust im an engineer or not. I just noticed that you just think you know everything. This is a forum. I enter here to learn not to fight.
    I will not continue this stupid back and forward.
    And for your information, just the QUALCOMM chipset cost $30. The Storm cost almost $190 not $28.
    02-24-09 06:08 PM
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