verizon made a huge mistake by releasing storm too early on nov 2008 and should have waited till jan or feb of this year so that OS will probably will be more stable for public use
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verizon made a huge mistake by releasing storm too early on nov 2008 and should have waited till jan or feb of this year so that OS will probably will be more stable for public use
Obviously I don't know how this works and I'm not a programmer, I'm just gathering bits and pieces from what you and others have stated. In a situation like this, I do believe RIM should have been able to hold back the release of the Storm if they knew it would be at least five months before a build was ready. If RIM was contractually obligated to deliver the product by a certain date and the product they delivered was not ready for market by that date, then shame on RIM for not being able to gauge their development time lines appropriately and not suffering the consequences of not meeting a contract deadline. Instead, they honored a contract by dumping their crap on VZW and the end user. They dug their own grave if that's the scenario that played out. And of course, everyone knows that crap rolls down hill, so shame on VZW for letting it continue to roll to the end user.
What I do know is that in my day to day job, knowing when a patch is coming out for other business and enterprise grade applications is very valuable and not that uncommon. It allows me to better plan how to get my end users around that issue before a patch is released. Had I known that would be still installing leaked builds half way into the factory warranty and replacing devices because the screen gets flogged with dust, I would have probably returned it, but that's not how it played out. Instead, we were told to just wait a little longer, it's going to get so much better and we will be really excited about the device.
I know you're not in favor of this, but some deadlines that are announced to the end user would be great and would go a long way to easing some of tension. If RIM is confident they have a build ready, VZW needs to know which build that is. There's a lot of risk to doing that, both to RIM and VZW, but at least it would be a more open approach and we wouldn't have to lean on vague snippets from folks who are worried about their NDA.
Your point about the Bold just makes it look like RIM has no problem dumping a product that's not ready on the carriers.
if they're capable of writing the code, they're capable of writing the code. idk how the device being released or not changes that. maybe its my oh so feeble mind, but logic is beating upon the inside of my brow to disagree with this statement. can you clarify as to why one scenario would show the release of a stable OS faster than another?
every single OS we've seen has had either
1) serious flaws impacting the function of the device its self
2) serious flaws impacting the use of paid services from the carrier
ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THE SOFTWARE WOULD HAVE EVER GOTTEN APPROVED IF THEY WAITED! WE STILL WOUDLN'T HAVE THIS PHONE TO THIS DAY!
RIM has no idea what works for the carriers and what doesn't. thats why .113 and .122 had MMS issues...they don't test carrier services. they test their services and features/apps...that is why RIM can't be left alone to release software as a separate entity from the carrier. the service providers would get boned and stuff wouldn't work.
*Nobodys figured out a "stable OS" will never be achieved with 4.7
Pretty amazing.
Everybody is arguing in circles. Pointing fingers here there and everywhere. Plenty of blame to go around but the brunt of it lies with VZW.
*before the fanboys get all up in arms this is not hate speech*
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i blame global warming...
did i already blame the bush administration? i forget...
Well, you are showing your lack of knowledge sir. The dealership for Ford is a separate entity. Dealerships are owned by private people selling a product (car) from a manufacturer (Ford). Same case here, VZW a separate company purchased a product (Storm) from a manufacturer (RIM). Sure, you can take the car to the dealership to have work done on it...if the car is still under warranty...FORD foots the bill and/or corrects any RECALLS. Consider this a Storm RECALL. To say this analogy is wrong shows you clearly don't understand the argument.
As we have ALL said, we realize this device was pushed out too early, no one is denying this. But to keep using that as an excuse for a device that has been out since Nov is ridiculous. I seriously doubt RIM told VZW they still wouldn't have a suitable OS this many months later...I highly doubt it. It obvious you are an AT&T and RIM fanboy (your option). I too love RIM's products at least up till now.
As far as writing programs, why are all the other manufacturers able to pump out stable products that work the way the should right out of the box. Apple, HTC, Nokia, Motorola, etc...seem to be able to write solid software. Also, if memory serves me correct, you said this would be the best RIM device yet...go back and look at your threads from the late summer.
Anyway, I enjoy the debate but completely disagree with you that RIM is not to blame and hasn't dropped the ball on this one. AGAIN, sure VZW is to blame for pushing it out too early but it's RIM's job to better the device. If they are working diligently to do so, I just don't see it. I'm quite certain that if RIM said, "our OS is going to be half azz for another year" VZW would have backed off.
CX, don't take it so personal...unless you are the one writing code. LOL
Give it to an ex GF, now thats an idea. LOL
I wasn't going to post in here again, but that last comment made lol. :D It's cool bro, I totally understand where you're coming from. And while I would love to go into further detail about specifics, I can't. It would raise some flags.. I agree, there is blame to go around on both sides. Just gets me peeved when it turns into all RIM bashing, is all. Nothing taken personal... I'm not writing it... :p
Nope, you are wrong...RIM writes the OS for the Storm. You are referring to dumb phones.
Like I said, great debate and you have had several valid points. AND I AM VERY GLAD YOU ARE NOT WRITING THE SOFTWARE OR WE WOULD ALL STONE YOU MOD OR NOT!!! LOL
The purpose of this thread/poll was to get feedback on what others felt. For many threads I saw VZW getting hammered and not one mention of RIM's role in all of this. To be honest, both sides need to figure a way to nail down the OS so we don't have to have these debates (though it was kinda fun, and I feel much better getting it off my chest).
You're still the man CX and your opinions and knowledge are always welcome!;)
BTW, the poll is showing just that...BOTH are to blame.
now that you're a liar :D care to comment on what the difference between release and no release code dev is?
Anymore votes??
Ck Got Banned!!!!
True enough. Where's the option to blame the customers too? How many people bitched and moaned about the Bold being delayed over and over again?Originally Posted by Crucial_Xtreme
You and others may say what you want. The bottom line is Verizon sholdn't have released it. If they would have put their bottom line before your satisfaction, we wouldn't be in this situation. Just look at AT&T. They said they didnt care if it took RIM a year to get the Bold right, they weren't releasing it until they felt it was alright to use on their network.
Customers love to complain that something isn't just "released", then cry when it's released too early...
Who?? And why??
we're not allowed to talk about it....
CK = cereal killer...
i think CX=CK anyway... so maybe "they" worked out their mental issues and one killed the other? left brain/right brain stuff, ya know?
My bad just figured that out..CK. LOL Pour one for my homey!
you're on fire with those two statements. same things i've been thinking/saying.
i'd take it a bit further though. no disrespect to people like crucial xtreme and radio guinea , but i think it's bs for people who work at or with rim to say it's vzw's fault the storm has been underachieving and buggy and we haven't received a good official os yet.
even though the leaks we see and the os versions vzw is testing might be months old, the fact still remains that those builds have glaring, and in some cases, very serious problems that made it out the door from rim. it's not vzw or the user's fault rim's os builds have problems. we just find the problems and experience the issues that were released for testing.
i have experience in application development, coding, programming, user acceptance testing, etc. i don't work for rim and i'm not affiliated with them, but i have to say there must be issues with project and resource allocation/management at rim just based on what we've seen from .65 to .141. for a company their size with the resources they have we simply shouldn't be seeing some of these issues. i'm not saying they should drop everything and focus on the storm, but i am saying that it's likely they're trying to do a lot of things and as result have not put the amount of effort into the storm that they probably should.
and another thing (since i'm on a roll :p) and i'm speaking solely for myself on this one, but i don't really feel like we get much in terms of juicy concrete info from the rim insiders and people 'in the know' who post here. no disrespect to them and the likes, cause a lot of people hang on their every word and take what they say as gospel, but a lot of the good questions they can't answer anyway. we end up guessing or gleaning a lot of what we get from other sources. it seems like the most benefit we get from the insiders is when they debunk rumors. i know nda's are at play, as well as people's jobs, but it's laughable to me how people salivate over the crumbs we get tossed here and there. it's almost like a tease game. if they can't tell us the nitty gritty then why even bother. yeah, so that's it and i said it. sht list me or whatever. :)
i made this point earlier in the "what do leaks cost" thread.
Point you made is exactly what I don't get!! It's not like we are putting a crew on the moon for the first time. There are TONS of programmers out there who I bet could get this thing rolling sweet! I don't think RIM is giving ITS ALL on the Storm. Perhaps its the price point on the device that it isn't getting the attention it needs or maybe RIM is too busy sponsoring every major sporting event known to man. Quit sponsoring and get to programming some good stuff already!!