04-28-10 07:55 AM
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  1. jetman1287's Avatar
    After reading plenty of forums I see lots of people say the storm 1 have to low of app memory to handle OS 6.0 but I wonder if this is just a software issue where application memory is set with the OS. Meaning if RIM were to change how the OS to dedicate more memory for application than device will this work. Furthermore, who is to say that the OS will not be saved to the Device memory thus freeing up more application memory? I think if they fix this issue then this device would be a winner. What to others think?
    Well everyone is thinking along the lines of "New OS, must be bigger" when I think their objective for all devices, even those with high memory, is to make better use of the memory they have. Less leaks, more efficiency, less lag. So it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be a bigger OS.

    But that's part of the difference between revolutionary and evolutionary. Is this going to change the way BB's act and how people interface with them? Or is it just a skin with a webkit browser? We've yet to see. Fingers crossed!
    04-21-10 03:13 PM
  2. Krypto's Avatar
    Don't expect revolutionary but it may do a decent job of playing catch up, and don't forget, OS 6.0 will be installed in the new devices which will have considerably more app memory. This means that they can add more files and add more code to make it look pretty and do more. That said, logically speaking, it makes sense will take at least the same space as OS 5.0 if not more.

    As to the Storm being supported, no one said the original Storm would stop being supported. RIM will continue developing and preparing bug fixes, etc. It just might not be anything substantial versus what we have now.

    Then again, as I stated before, we never know. The Storm1 could see the update, or maybe the Storm2 will be left behind as well. We just don't know and at this point everything is speculation.

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    04-21-10 03:27 PM
  3. mdw66's Avatar
    As a day one purchaser of the Storm 1, I would love to believe it will continue to track the leading edge of OS development from RIM, but the reality just doesn't support that. It's not a cutting edge device now, and very soon it won't even be one generation behind RIM's touchscreen offerings. There is so little advantage for RIM to spend time and effort supporting this device .. it's not going to happen. Kinda sucks as a Storm owner, but from a business perspective it is the right thing to do. They need to move on, and baggage like the Storm 1 is just in the way of progress. I would rather see a truly innovative new platform on cutting edge hardware than a mediocre evolutionary platform that is held back by the needs of old devices like the Storm (and Curve 83xx, etc.) Wouldn't you?
    04-21-10 03:35 PM
  4. jetman1287's Avatar
    Don't expect revolutionary but it may do a decent job of playing catch up, and don't forget, OS 6.0 will be installed in the new devices which will have considerably more app memory. This means that they can add more files and add more code to make it look pretty and do more. That said, logically speaking, it makes sense will take at least the same space as OS 5.0 if not more.

    As to the Storm being supported, no one said the original Storm would stop being supported. RIM will continue developing and preparing bug fixes, etc. It just might not be anything substantial versus what we have now.

    Then again, as I stated before, we never know. The Storm1 could see the update, or maybe the Storm2 will be left behind as well. We just don't know and at this point everything is speculation.

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    Good post. We really don't know much and it depends on how big the changes are, and if they require a new phone. So far I don't think this needs drastically better hardware but we'll see.

    If RIM were still supporting the S1 though (say, 5.0.0.700 to fix some things and include webkit while newer devices get 6.0), wouldn't we have seen more in the way of 9530 leaks over the past few months?
    04-21-10 03:59 PM
  5. howarmat's Avatar
    i will say it again....its a top theme maker showing us that 1 pic. im not sure i am going to buy it yet!
    04-21-10 04:47 PM
  6. The_Engine's Avatar
    i will say it again....its a top theme maker showing us that 1 pic. im not sure i am going to buy it yet!
    Britishturbo is already saying its a fake.

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    04-21-10 04:55 PM
  7. howarmat's Avatar
    lol good job BT, im out all day on the golf course but i BT always sets the world straight
    04-21-10 05:01 PM
  8. The_Engine's Avatar
    If RIM were still supporting the S1 though (say, 5.0.0.700 to fix some things and include webkit while newer devices get 6.0), wouldn't we have seen more in the way of 9530 leaks over the past few months?
    RIM still supports it. There is just not much interest in the pain involved in testing an OS for the S1. That is were the leaks come from. If we are lucky we may see one more build. Once they released .607 for S2 without PTT I figured we were done. Since it looks like VZW isn't interested in PTT on the Storm than there is no real reason to expend resources testing. Maybe when the 9650 drops they work on S1, but I doubt it.

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    04-21-10 05:09 PM
  9. howarmat's Avatar
    i would assume 1 more official for the s1. How much the actually test it before releasing is a question though
    04-21-10 05:13 PM
  10. Krypto's Avatar
    And RIM is still developing for the Storm1. It'll just be up to the carriers to decide whether they want to release the upgrades or not. Again, a lot of this will come down to the carriers.
    04-21-10 06:52 PM
  11. GlitchZero's Avatar
    The Storm's major failure is the software, not the hardware. It's VERY similar to the S2 except for app memory. I love the clickscreen and it's going to be tough to move away from that. And I'm used to the BB OS, so I'm hesitant to change...this 6.0 really needs to be great, I think RIM's consumer success hinges entirely on it.

    The 9530 does have limited app memory but I don't think that's a major shortcoming for launching this new OS. In the least, RIM could give us the webkit browser.

    Let's see the first leak and how big this OS is. If it's a similar size to the current OS, or even 10-15 MB larger, there's no reason it shouldn't be released for the 9530...unless they want to bait you into buying the new model for 2 more years.

    The 8330 series was supported forever...I expect the same loyalty to us.
    Ok, the difference between the Storm and the Curve, was that the Curve was THE Blackberry. Like when people thought of a BlackBerry, they thought of a Curve (during it's lifetime) it's the best selling BB, the best selling phone (line) in North America.

    When people think of the Storm, they picture a drunken guy that stumbled in, had a sip of beer, vomited all over the door, passed out, and woke up slowly piecing back together what happened while profusely apologizing. The Storm actually had a lot of hardware issues as well, not just software. Sinking screens, uneven presses, mechanical failures..It's the whole reason the Storm2 was engineered with a completely remade screen.

    The Curve was supported because it was popular. The Storm was popular because it was the first of it's kind, but once people realized how terrible it was (and God, there was some really terrible points) it was dropping it's price (and getting sold on eBay with every mention of the Storm2) faster than a hooker can drop her panties. Which is why the Storm2 rolled out so quickly. A bandaid until they could figure out how to soothe the publics opinion.

    Also, there is several differences between the Storm and the Storm2 besides 'just app memory'. You sound like people when it was close to release. "Oh, it's just app memory, who cares." There's more to the phone than that. As someone (I wish I could credit who) said 'It's not called the Storm 1.3. It's called a Storm2 for a reason.'
    Last edited by GlitchZero; 04-22-10 at 09:54 AM.
    04-21-10 08:52 PM
  12. howarmat's Avatar
    The Storm's major failure is the software, not the hardware. It's VERY similar to the S2 except for app memory. I love the clickscreen and it's going to be tough to move away from that. And I'm used to the BB OS, so I'm hesitant to change...this 6.0 really needs to be great, I think RIM's consumer success hinges entirely on it.

    The 9530 does have limited app memory but I don't think that's a major shortcoming for launching this new OS. In the least, RIM could give us the webkit browser.

    Let's see the first leak and how big this OS is. If it's a similar size to the current OS, or even 10-15 MB larger, there's no reason it shouldn't be released for the 9530...unless they want to bait you into buying the new model for 2 more years.

    The 8330 series was supported forever...I expect the same loyalty to us.
    didnt see this before but assuming the OS is bigger there is no way it will go on 128 MB devices. That means you are booting low 20s or in the teens. Leaving virtual no room to add any apps. Facebook, Myspace, flickr and all those VZW apps will eat up all the room. **** with OS 5 i doubt you can install all of them. And if they are going to have the shortcuts and such pushed then the device better be able to install it otherwise a customers can really start ******** about that and cause headaches for VZW.

    I have to assume the OS will take atleast 10 MBs more and the webkit alone might be another 2-4 MBs
    04-21-10 09:03 PM
  13. rayzian's Avatar
    slowly losing hope on my storm 1.....
    04-21-10 11:50 PM
  14. jlawler4's Avatar
    i will say it again....its a top theme maker showing us that 1 pic. im not sure i am going to buy it yet!
    Yeah, someone got a hold of Theme Builder 6.0 apparently, so they could make a theme that LOOKED like 6.0, but obviously has none of the functionality.
    04-22-10 09:38 AM
  15. The_Engine's Avatar
    Yeah, someone got a hold of Theme Builder 6.0 apparently, so they could make a theme that LOOKED like 6.0, but obviously has none of the functionality.
    I don't even think that. All he'd have to do is take the picture from BGR and photo shop it to change the background and move icons around. Then send the picture to his storm, open it to screen size and snap a photo. It wouldn't be easy but I am sure a guy who builds themes at this level can do it. people used to do this with about screens to make it look they had OS 7 or whatever.

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    04-22-10 12:13 PM
  16. SocaZeus's Avatar
    Ok, the difference between the Storm and the Curve, was that the Curve was THE Blackberry. Like when people thought of a BlackBerry, they thought of a Curve (during it's lifetime) it's the best selling BB, the best selling phone (line) in North America.

    When people think of the Storm, they picture a drunken guy that stumbled in, had a sip of beer, vomited all over the door, passed out, and woke up slowly piecing back together what happened while profusely apologizing. The Storm actually had a lot of hardware issues as well, not just software. Sinking screens, uneven presses, mechanical failures..It's the whole reason the Storm2 was engineered with a completely remade screen.

    The Curve was supported because it was popular. The Storm was popular because it was the first of it's kind, but once people realized how terrible it was (and God, there was some really terrible points) it was dropping it's price (and getting sold on eBay with every mention of the Storm2) faster than a hooker can drop her panties. Which is why the Storm2 rolled out so quickly. A bandaid until they could figure out how to soothe the publics opinion.

    Also, there is several differences between the Storm and the Storm2 besides 'just app memory'. You sound like people when it was close to release. "Oh, it's just app memory, who cares." There's more to the phone than that. As someone (I wish I could credit who) said 'It's not called the Storm 1.3. It's called a Storm2 for a reason.'
    Yep.

    I understand the progression of equipment and software. And I understand that as equipment gets obsolete further development on older models is curtailed in the name of progress. However, I will not purchase another BB product. NOT because this phone will not run 6.0, but because RIM sold me this mediocrity that they knew was sub par. Then took a year to make it even usable to the level it was advertised. I stress "USABLE", because it sure is not good. The company knew what they were doing and chose to disrespect the market they were courting. This thing is Ford Pinto dreaming it was a Toyota. To me RIM is synonymous with the Storm 1 and that's enough for me.
    04-22-10 03:16 PM
  17. Krypto's Avatar
    Ewww... You'd compare any Ford (even a Pinto) to a Toyota? That's just not right on so many levels.



    Whatever though. The Storm may not have made you happy, but there are still plenty of satisfied Storm owners.

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    04-22-10 06:24 PM
  18. Asperse's Avatar
    Wow thanks mods for changing my title to this thread. Yay our first amendment is thrown out!

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    I lol'd. The first amendment doesn't apply here. Calm yourself.
    04-22-10 11:28 PM
  19. SocaZeus's Avatar
    Ewww... You'd compare any Ford (even a Pinto) to a Toyota? That's just not right on so many levels.



    Whatever though. The Storm may not have made you happy, but there are still plenty of satisfied Storm owners.

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    I'm glad you got the "many levels" to my post.

    Always remember, there were satisfied Pinto owners also. But anyone looking back and comparing it to world auto products of the period can see it for what it was. (of course we cannot include eastern bloc vehicles. They were on par with the Pinto.)
    04-24-10 02:49 PM
  20. Corpsman112's Avatar
    I understand technology advancement and actually appreciate it. I have come to grips with my Storm 1 never quite being the phone it was supposed to be. My question is this... How much better is the Storm 2 than the S1? I mean, I have 6 apps loaded and my S1 keeps crying foul and asking me to free up app memory. I was blaming it on the pushed content but I guess that is only installation links. But if the S2 has twice as much app memory as the S1, does that mean I will be allowed to load 12 apps instead of 6? Big freaking deal.

    I am still a ways away from being able to upgrade my S1 since I have only had it for a year. But I certainly do not want to upgrade to the S2 if I am going to have phone envy while looking at the iPhone or Droid.

    Why can't we access the memory card for applications? It seems to be a no brainer fix for our memory issues. But I am not a programmer and do not understand the fancy new technologies. I am just an unfrozen caveman lawyer.

    Will RIM go the way of the Commodore? I mean the Amiga was a great computer, better than what Apple and IBM were at the time. But the took care of their customers the way RIM takes care of us and it was the users that kept it afloat (just like Crackberry).
    04-24-10 03:46 PM
  21. howarmat's Avatar
    i have over 100 apps installed, i had over 60 installed on my storm 1 probably and never had memory problems really
    04-24-10 04:40 PM
  22. The_Engine's Avatar
    @corpsman - just sit back and see what's avail when your time comes. You never know what RIM will do.

    @howarmart- how muxh mem did you have left in S1?

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    04-24-10 05:11 PM
  23. howarmat's Avatar
    booted with 25ish and it hovered between 20-25 mbs with use normally

    granted app size ranged from a couple kbs to over 2 mbs. But i was going off my excel list that i have to keep track of the apps, codes and the install link
    04-24-10 05:18 PM
  24. DJ-Icarus's Avatar
    What's this about cars?
    Swooooooooosh! Over my head!

    Frick guys, I live in South Africa... We're lucky to have the wheel.
    My Storm does, and alwayz will, kick arse!
    I've gone Black, and I'm not going back.

    If there's no upgrades tough! Ill upgrade to the latest and greatest in 1.5 years.

    PS: if this was a nokia your camera would be like 2 MP smaller, and all types of other "software issues". Why does the BB have to keep up when other phones don't (including symbian)

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    04-24-10 07:01 PM
  25. DJ-Icarus's Avatar
    PS: shouldn't we be lucky we jumped from 4(.7) to 5?
    Or should we all carry on complaining?

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    04-24-10 07:08 PM
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