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  • I think $2.99 is not a big deal for every app.

    2 9.09%
  • If more apps were like the dollar menu I would buy a lot more.

    9 40.91%
  • I just think we need more free apps.

    8 36.36%
  • You need to just stop complaining about apps costing to much

    7 31.82%
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05-19-09 02:36 PM
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  1. mentalcase87's Avatar
    It is now getting beyond frustrating; the lack of free apps is way too high. There is no doubt that is one of the reasons the iphones apps have done so well is due to amount of paid and free app's, I mean how many free game's are there? 10 maybe 15...I mean there is easily over 100 free games for the crap pod, we need to steal all those developers and show them that the blackberry community can do allot more for them.

    I by no means think that every app should not cost money but it's without a doubt what persuades more user's to come, if your showing people and saying look how many free cool app's there are and check out these amazing app's I paid for as well. I have bought some awesome apps and they should cost money without a doubt.

    The lack of trials is horrid as well, I have goofed around with my buddies Ipod and he has ton's of trials and they aren't these timed deals were you get like 10 presses and it's over, they are simply limited and the user can use them over and over and if they decide they want more they simply buy the app.

    I already paid enough for the phone and pay enough to not be able to just enjoy some free applications once and awhile, I am more than willing to pay $.50-$15 for an outstanding app, but literally almost everything that comes out cost money! And I am not going to spend $.50 - $7 every time something new comes out, if they had trials were I really got to experience the software or the game I would be allot more inclined to pay for it, but a simple video and pictures does not make something a wise buy.

    I hate the Iphone, I would never ever want to buy one but thanks to those god damn ipods it got this major following and easily got over 1000 more developers then we have because everyone thinks the ipod is the best mp3 player no if ends or ****'s when it is one of the worst and gives you almost no control over it...

    So whatever flame me all you want, but we need more free app's and games as well as trials, and yet again I am in no way cheap but honestly donít feel like playing for every damn thing that comes out.
    05-12-09 01:46 PM
  2. anon(96573)'s Avatar
    On almost every iphone free app you will be presented by an advertisement. It's easy to give stuff away free when you're getting money for it. I know we look like ***** compared to iphone developers, but most of us are not. I would love to give away apps all day long, but with bills to pay and people to feed it's just not a smart business move on my part.

    Don't get me wrong though I still give apps away free and make a few free apps, but I put more time and effort into the paid apps because it's my job.
    Last edited by chrisy520; 05-12-09 at 04:12 PM. Reason: language
    05-12-09 01:50 PM
  3. mentalcase87's Avatar
    Lol of course you respond to me =) one of the few people I think are doing it the right way, you make quality free app's that just seem like something fun and then somehow they become amazing and you are able to make a premium version and that's exactly how it should happen. And you have also developed app's which flat out require a lot of time and effort and require someone to pay, I also believe that a lot of us are not cheap and if we have a good free quality app we will donate as well.
    05-12-09 01:52 PM
  4. jeepguy_1980's Avatar
    I read an article on this just the other day. And the Apple offers more incentive to create free apps than RIM does.

    The App store has two separate top 100 lists, paid and free. Making the top 100 means a huge pay day for both free and paid apps. Free apps make their revenue from advertising, which pays significantly less than even a $.99 app. However, it's easier to make it to the top 100 in the free apps, vs. the paid apps. In the end, it's better for a developer to get a free app in the top 100 on the free side than it is to be buried on the paid app list.

    It also helps that the iPhone is more popular and thus has more potential developers.
    05-12-09 01:54 PM
  5. mentalcase87's Avatar
    I read an article on this just the other day. And the Apple offers more incentive to create free apps than RIM does.

    The App store has two separate top 100 lists, paid and free. Making the top 100 means a huge pay day for both free and paid apps. Free apps make their revenue from advertising, which pays significantly less than even a $.99 app. However, it's easier to make it to the top 100 in the free apps, vs. the paid apps. In the end, it's better for a developer to get a free app in the top 100 on the free side than it is to be buried on the paid app list.

    It also helps that the iPhone is more popular and thus has more potential developers.
    I did not know about that, there is no denying that allot of free app's can make some big bucks in the background with advertising and so forth. And I 100% agree that, that horrible phone has a way to big of a following and it makes more developers available...I mean if you’re a developer thinking of going into phones are you going to come to the not so well known blackberry, which was focused on business previously or the booming iphone community..ugh it pains me to say that lol, I think we just need to all come up with a way to get more developers on board, obviously this site is the #1 contributor to the success of app development, as to were the appstore is sllllllooooowly picking up the slack and starting to contribute.

    Oh and to add, like what I think its tafasa? Is doing today is great, I bought patternlock and doodle today, for 2 bucks I am not going to complain and I actually found that I like patternlock allot, I always thought it seemed interesting but didn’t want to pay 3 bucks.
    05-12-09 02:00 PM
  6. bearkat38's Avatar
    One one hand, I can understand your frustration (when comparing the number of free apps available for that other phone that shall remain nameless). On the other hand, your sense of entitlement is pretty astonishing. These developers work their asses of developing these apps/games and should be paid accordingly. Why should they just give it to you free of charge. Then you say that if they were free, then you would have no problem donating? What the **** is the difference??
    05-12-09 02:01 PM
  7. mentalcase87's Avatar
    One one hand, I can understand your frustration (when comparing the number of free apps available for that other phone that shall remain nameless). On the other hand, your sense of entitlement is pretty astonishing. These developers work their asses of developing these apps/games and should be paid accordingly. Why should they just give it to you free of charge. Then you say that if they were free, then you would have no problem donating? What the **** is the difference??
    It's the matter of option, and your right about that, I guess I do contradict myself but it feels different when you have an option. But there are apps that cost 4-7 bucks and yet there is a free version out that does the exact same thing. I guess I should admit I have never donated before =( but I donít download too many apps. Also if I was to download a free app and it was great after using it for a bit I would have the option to go back and donate some money.

    I am also sorry if it feels like I am saying they donít deserve to be paid, everyone deserves recognition for their work, be it money or praises...in the case of apps its money. I fully acknowledge how hard it is and time consuming it can be but I truly feel like a abundance more of free apps can really help to get this thing rolling, and I do not believe we should everything free.

    Also if I am a bit all over the place I am shaking from being hungry at the moment so I canít think straight and eating food now lol
    05-12-09 02:08 PM
  8. jetman1287's Avatar
    Idk why there aren't any $.99 apps out there, kind of a crappy pricing structure =\ It's either $2.99 (very rare) or $5.99+....I really don't think about spending more than $3 on a good app...
    05-12-09 02:19 PM
  9. mentalcase87's Avatar
    Idk why there aren't any $.99 apps out there, kind of a crappy pricing structure =\ It's either $2.99 (very rare) or $5.99+....I really don't think about spending more than $3 on a good app...
    Ok now that I have eaten I can think straight, I think this is more so what I was really getting towards we need more free apps, apps with trials, and $.99 apps for some reason, maybe be it the times .99 sounds a lot easier to pay for then 1.99 or 2.99 I know this sounds crazy because it is, but it's like the dollar menu at McDonalds, everyone gets excited when something get's added. That item could have been $1.34 before but seeing it for $.99 just seems so much cheaper and like a **** of a steal, like I said earlier I bought 2 apps today that I thought seemed cool but just kept passing off, I saw them for $.99 and said **** ill buy them for that!
    05-12-09 02:23 PM
  10. anon(96573)'s Avatar
    Idk why there aren't any $.99 apps out there, kind of a crappy pricing structure =\ It's either $2.99 (very rare) or $5.99+....I really don't think about spending more than $3 on a good app...
    The problem is most apps are hosted on

    1) Mobihand
    2) App world

    Both mobihand and the app world have a 2.99$ minimum selling price. So you can either give your app away free or charge 2.99$.

    The reason they have this pricing scheme (atleast I think so) is to earn them more money. Both vendors take 20% commission and by making the minimum price 2.99$ they earn more revenue.
    05-12-09 02:29 PM
  11. mentalcase87's Avatar
    The problem is most apps are hosted on

    1) Mobihand
    2) App world

    Both mobihand and the app world have a 2.99$ minimum selling price. So you can either give your app away free or charge 2.99$.

    The reason they have this pricing scheme (atleast I think so) is to earn them more money. Both vendors take 20% commission and by making the minimum price 2.99$ they earn more revenue.
    Wow I guess it sucks when we as consumers don’t know this =( This makes a lot more sense. Because how many developers know how to throw together their own store, and how many users are going to trust them? Chances are not too many....

    And when i think about it almost seems like they are effectively hindering there growth and the growth of there developers. Kind of a shame =(
    Last edited by mentalcase87; 05-12-09 at 02:34 PM.
    05-12-09 02:32 PM
  12. csbrown147's Avatar
    I think itunes has a lot to do with it. BB just released app world
    05-12-09 03:39 PM
  13. kinggeoff's Avatar
    All we need is a 99c category and we're in business. That's the impulse buy threshold for mannnny users
    05-12-09 03:42 PM
  14. mentalcase87's Avatar
    All we need is a 99c category and we're in business. That's the impulse buy threshold for mannnny users
    Yea, I think we should try to change this! I bet a lot of dev's wouldnt argue this either, I am going to throw a poll in here.
    05-12-09 03:49 PM
  15. ohtiggerr's Avatar
    Why should the people that invest their time and expertise making these apps not be compensated?!!!
    You are NOT OWED apps for your phone!!! If you don't want to pay for the app don't buy it!
    Where in the world does this sense of entitlement come from?!!!
    Just because you bought an expensive phone you expect all your apps for free?!
    Has anyone heard of capitalism? Free markets?

    Its this kind of thinking that has this country rolling down a slippery slope to socialism!!!

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    05-12-09 03:52 PM
  16. mentalcase87's Avatar
    Why should the people that invest their time and expertise making these apps not be compensated?!!!
    You are NOT OWED apps for your phone!!! If you don't want to pay for the app don't buy it!
    Where in the world does this sense of entitlement come from?!!!
    Just because you bought an expensive phone you expect all your apps for free?!
    Has anyone heard of capitalism? Free markets?

    Its this kind of thinking that has this country rolling down a slippery slope to socialism!!!

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Ummmm, do you understand how promoting yourself works? It almost always means giving your product away free to only have it be a hit and reap the rewards, any app devolper that is well known has given some of there apps away to only be able to turn around and make it better and charge for it.

    It might not mean we are entitled to free apps, but you better believe it’s expected that they will exist, No one has yet stated the dev's don’t deserve money or credit for their time. It is simply being stated we need more free apps not every single app to be free. And if you are honestly going to tell me you wouldn’t like some more free apps then I can't help you. No one here has demanded all apps be free and we not pay a dime...simply that there is more trials and some more free ones.

    I came off a bit hostile...its probably due to the fact that I have someone special behind me throwing paper clips, and the fact that I feel like your accusing of being cheap and trying to remove all credit from the devs.
    05-12-09 03:59 PM
  17. moosc's Avatar
    First off I need a Storm that handle apps. Put to many and ur outa memory. I see this type of post/thread often maybe two often. Second buy a voyager dare or none smartphone and get there apps or games why to over priced. The biggest complent I hear about iphone is lack of trials. And get do annoying to hear folks compare iphone to storm. The iphone is made for apps first and foremost. They just started pushing buiseness stop to try and stay ahead of bbs and winmo. And bbs winmo are trying app approach to show there not all stuffy business phones.

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    05-12-09 04:03 PM
  18. mike240se's Avatar
    mobihand has a 99 cents limit now, not a 2.99 limit anymore. i think they decided to lower it to save some business from the app world. they give the alternative now for devs who want to charge less than 2.99.

    unfortunately op, the donation system doesnt work, i have spent 100-200 hours on some apps, lets say my twss app, spent alot of time on that app cutting audio, finding it, coding, etc. i had over 25,000 installs of that app and then 20,000 upgrades to the newer version when it came out (so i would say most of those 25,000 liked it) and got about $15 in donations for that app. 200hours at $15 is 0.07 per hour. yes thats 7 cents an hour is what i made on that app. per copy is even better, i made $.0006 per download. that is 1 milion of a cent? 1 thousandth of a cent? its so low i dont know, coupons are worth more.

    i am posting this for explaination, i am not complaing, i decided i could quit, complain, or make better apps that could be charged for and hope those people who liked my free apps, paid for my paid ones to show support, etc. so thats what i am doing, making both. i am still making free apps, and still plan to, but if i spend hundreds of hours on an app, i need to pay bills too.
    05-12-09 04:15 PM
  19. ohtiggerr's Avatar
    Mentalcase: You totally missed the point. I am sticking up for the dev's. Everytime I see an app thread someone is crying that the app isn't free, or costs too much etc....
    It seems people think they are owed something. Look at some of the prior posts in this thread. I see that a lot regarding the price of apps.

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    05-12-09 04:18 PM
  20. mentalcase87's Avatar
    That's a real bummer mike =( if it makes you feel and better i have dice on my phone =) and to oh I am not missing the point, I do not want to take away credit, I just want to see more free apps, if we got 10000 new charged apps but out of that we also got about 90 useful free apps i would never even care.

    I also don't understand why this was moved to storm rants and raves, this is a discussion about 3rd party apps. And my intended audience was those who buy the apps, i know i never look in this forum....
    05-12-09 09:14 PM
  21. SilverLight98's Avatar
    What I don't like us that the baselone price is 2.99 its way too high. It should be 99 cents

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    05-12-09 10:56 PM
  22. John Yester's Avatar
    Keep the great discussion going. But please try to keep posts clean and with out insulting. Those who's posts were removed you have been warned.

    Thanks
    05-13-09 10:04 AM
  23. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar
    Quit complaining and be greatful that people are starting to develop stuff for the device. U blow off 4 or five bucks w/o
    a second thought most times. Besides
    a lot of these people writing code aren't big corporate guys I would be willing to say they are the average joe blow like u and me trying to make a dollar outa fifteen cents. Chill
    05-13-09 11:21 AM
  24. mentalcase87's Avatar
    Quit complaining and be greatful that people are starting to develop stuff for the device. U blow off 4 or five bucks w/o
    a second thought most times. Besides
    a lot of these people writing code aren't big corporate guys I would be willing to say they are the average joe blow like u and me trying to make a dollar outa fifteen cents. Chill
    Trendy I understand all this, I am not saying these guys are making bank or that they don’t deserve money for the work they do. This might not be the case for you but there is a lot of apps I would love to buy but over 4 bucks and I can’t do it. The economy sucks and I can’t be spending money on something that is going to enhance my phone, now a dollar I can swallow as well as 2.

    Now I plan on sending a message to all the devs that ran a $.99 sale yesterday only. If I am wrong then I shouldn't have started this thread but I would be willing to bet they had a decent amount of sales, and if those sales had ran all week and a bulk of user's got to discover these quality apps at prices they could handle they could easily triple there numbers from yesterday. There is a reality to this, you can make a killer product for $1000 and people could really want it but not be able to bring them self to buy it. Now someone makes a product which does half of what you developed and they sell it for $100. Chances are it will sell like wild fire and they have now tripled that other products revenue even though you have a better product.

    So what I am getting at is, people might think hmmm that app seems awesome at 3.99 bucks and maybe 15 people buy it, then it goes on sale for $.99 or even $1.99 and you get 100 buyers. At $.99 if the app is that big I assume the numbers will go way over 100 buyers, but at $3.99 for 15 buyers they would have $59.85 now if they sold it for $1.99 and 100 users bought it that’s $199 a **** of a lot more then when users felt it just cost too much. Now at $.99 they would make $99 which isn’t a ton more but it still is more.

    My above argument might not be valid but this does work out to be true in sales a lot...sometimes what I stated is a major fail and they make a lot less.

    ** also I am not saying apps $5 and over don’t get over 15 users it was just a number I picked, because I know the success rate will be higher at a lower price by a fair amount.
    Last edited by mentalcase87; 05-13-09 at 03:06 PM.
    05-13-09 03:02 PM
  25. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar
    Trendy I understand all this, I am not saying these guys are making bank or that they donít deserve money for the work they do. This might not be the case for you but there is a lot of apps I would love to buy but over 4 bucks and I canít do it. The economy sucks and I canít be spending money on something that is going to enhance my phone, now a dollar I can swallow as well as 2.

    Now I plan on sending a message to all the devs that ran a $.99 sale yesterday only. If I am wrong then I shouldn't have started this thread but I would be willing to bet they had a decent amount of sales, and if those sales had ran all week and a bulk of user's got to discover these quality apps at prices they could handle they could easily triple there numbers from yesterday. There is a reality to this, you can make a killer product for $1000 and people could really want it but not be able to bring them self to buy it. Now someone makes a product which does half of what you developed and they sell it for $100. Chances are it will sell like wild fire and they have now tripled that other products revenue even though you have a better product.

    So what I am getting at is, people might think hmmm that app seems awesome at 3.99 bucks and maybe 15 people buy it, then it goes on sale for $.99 or even $1.99 and you get 100 buyers. At $.99 if the app is that big I assume the numbers will go way over 100 buyers, but at $3.99 for 15 buyers they would have $59.85 now if they sold it for $1.99 and 100 users bought it thatís $199 a **** of a lot more then when users felt it just cost too much. Now at $.99 they would make $99 which isnít a ton more but it still is more.

    My above argument might not be valid but this does work out to be true in sales a lot...sometimes what I stated is a major fail and they make a lot less.
    U know what the way you put that I feel you.
    Looking at it form that point of view; I agree.
    More people would rather pi$$ away 99cents
    than 4/5 dollars.
    I was trying to say though let us be greatful for them getting stuff
    out there for us.
    05-13-09 03:08 PM
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