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This thread is needed - it makes a good point...
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Some thoughts for all the angry and hyper people in here:
1. You want to have a cutting edge device, but don't want to grin and bear the growing pains? The two are mutually exclusive. Don't want trouble - get a legacy device. Like to tweak a bit and / or have the latest and greatest - deal with the downsides.
1-A. You want to use leaked beta OS's, but don't want to grin and bear the growing pains? The two are mutually exclusive.
1-B. You got a cutting edge device, but decided that you didn't want to grin and bear the growing pains? No problem - most of the community understands. BUT - Don't come on this board all angry and indignant about the phone "sucking", and how your're going to go out and get a real phone when you buy a SuperMegaPhone 2000XL from Wonderful Wireless Co., and flame those of us who want the device and are willing to deal with the bleeding edge.
2. RIM isn't evil. No self respecting design engineer or software engineer want's anything other than a solid, well thought out, dependable product to put their name on. BUT, RIM is a public company who has to deal with the shareholders and board who want a 10% increase in profit each quarter, carriers who want lots of wow and a 1.9 year lifespan, competitors racing to the market with new product quarterly with which you must compete, an existing user base who are resistant to change, etc. In the end, they have to compromise, or die.
3. The Storm is a Storm. It's not meant to be an iPhone, Omnia, TouchPro, Pre... Blackberry's niche is business oriented users who want to "Just Do It". The Storms "sub-niche" is Business users who also want a bit of fun in their device, who don't have to switch to a "out on the town" or weekend phone. I believe that was the goal, and Storm v1 goes a long way toward achieving that. BUT - it's RIM's first foray into this concept, and the execution is, at least initially, falling short in some areas. Many of the shortcomings will be fixed with updates over time. Many more should be fixed in the Storms successor.
4. A watched kettle never boils, and a watched message board never produces an new OS leak. If you are hitting refresh every 5 minutes on CrackBerry waiting for an OS leak to drop, hours seem like weeks. That's normal for many of us
But don't freak out and post the 1001'st thread of "when is the next update?" or "what's gonna be in the next update?". The phones not even 2 months old yet and we've had a lot more OS updates available to us than WinMo or Apple would have in the same period. Take two beers and chill with some friends, check back in the morning.
<RANT MODE OFF>Last edited by TBacker; 01-10-09 at 11:12 AM.
01-10-09 10:51 AM - Very well stated, and quoted for emphasis.This thread is needed - it makes a good point...
<RANT MODE ON>
Some thoughts for all the angry and hyper people in here:
1. You want to have a cutting edge device, but don't want to grin and bear the growing pains? The two are mutually exclusive. Don't want trouble - get a legacy device. Like to tweak a bit and / or have the latest and greatest - deal with the downsides.
1-A. You want to use leaked beta OS's, but don't want to grin and bear the growing pains? The two are mutually exclusive.
1-B. You got a cutting edge device, but decided that you didn't want to grin and bear the growing pains? No problem - most of the community understands. BUT - Don't come on this board all angry and indignant about the phone "sucking", and how your're going to go out and get a real phone when you buy a SuperMegaPhone 2000XL from Wonderful Wireless Co., and flame those of us who want the device and are willing to deal with the bleeding edge.
2. RIM isn't evil. No self respecting design engineer or software engineer want's anything other than a solid, well thought out, dependable product to put their name on. BUT, RIM is a public company who has to deal with the shareholders and board who want a 10% increase in profit each quarter, carriers who want lots of wow and a 1.9 year lifespan, competitors racing to the market with new product quarterly with which you must compete, an existing user base who are resistant to change, etc. In the end, they have to compromise, or die.
3. The Storm is a Storm. It's not meant to be an iPhone, Omnia, TouchPro, Pre... Blackberry's niche is business oriented users who want to "Just Do It". The Storms "sub-niche" is Business users who also want a bit of fun in their device, who don't have to switch to a "out on the town" or weekend phone. I believe that was the goal, and Storm v1 goes a long way toward achieving that. BUT - it's RIM's first foray into this concept, and the execution is, at least initially, falling short in some areas. Many of the shortcomings will be fixed with updates over time. Many more should be fixed in the Storms successor.
4. A watched kettle never boils, and a watched message board never produces an new OS leak. If you are hitting refresh every 5 minutes on CrackBerry waiting for an OS leak to drop, hours seem like weeks. That's normal for many of us But don't freak out and post the 1001'st thread of "when is the next update?" or "what's gonna be in the next update?". The phones not even 2 months old yet and we've had a lot more OS updates available to us than WinMo or Apple would have in the same period. Take two beers and chill with some friends, check back in the morning.
<RANT MODE OFF>01-10-09 11:33 AM - like this company. what ever happned to their product? i was never cool enough to own one sadly
Hypercolor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia01-10-09 12:01 PM - Man, those shirts were the best. I always wanted a pair of pants coated in that stuff.like this company. what ever happned to their product? i was never cool enough to own one sadly
Hypercolor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia01-10-09 12:17 PM - Wow... Really looking for ways to pick this post apart! Okay then...Ah... so if Kyocera releases any touch screen phone today, it will be cutting edge, even if not one feature has never been seen before.
Listen, you aren't seeing the overall gist of the point and are focusing on the way I phrased it.
Maybe instead of cutting edge, I should have said "brand new design from RIM". The point is the same. The intention wasn't to say that it's never been done. It's that you buy a new design from a company that's never done it before, don't expect to have no trouble with it and don't be impatient when there is trouble with it.
If you think that the Storm is a f***ed up copy of old concepts and should never have been released, then that's fine - maybe it's not for you and you should swap it for a phone from a manufacturer that's done it before.01-10-09 12:19 PM - TBacker's cogent post, IMO, is on the mark. Man, I won't even look at another "when is the next OS update" post. Waste of my time. Everyone, just chill. Civil, constructive criticism of the product is OK. If you are frustrated and unhappy that's OK and understandable, then look for another phone to meet your needs. B****ing about what a piece of **** the device is serves no real purpose. Expressing your displeasure with the product in civil terms is an acceptable form of venting, eg, "I really don't like this phone because of ,,,". Or, "this phone really frustrates me because of x, y, z"" Trashing someone because they like the Storm, or their Storm works for them is really off base. I think that's what the mods are asking us to do.This thread is needed - it makes a good point...
<RANT MODE ON>
Some thoughts for all the angry and hyper people in here:
1. You want to have a cutting edge device, but don't want to grin and bear the growing pains? The two are mutually exclusive. Don't want trouble - get a legacy device. Like to tweak a bit and / or have the latest and greatest - deal with the downsides.
1-A. You want to use leaked beta OS's, but don't want to grin and bear the growing pains? The two are mutually exclusive.
1-B. You got a cutting edge device, but decided that you didn't want to grin and bear the growing pains? No problem - most of the community understands. BUT - Don't come on this board all angry and indignant about the phone "sucking", and how your're going to go out and get a real phone when you buy a SuperMegaPhone 2000XL from Wonderful Wireless Co., and flame those of us who want the device and are willing to deal with the bleeding edge.
2. RIM isn't evil. No self respecting design engineer or software engineer want's anything other than a solid, well thought out, dependable product to put their name on. BUT, RIM is a public company who has to deal with the shareholders and board who want a 10% increase in profit each quarter, carriers who want lots of wow and a 1.9 year lifespan, competitors racing to the market with new product quarterly with which you must compete, an existing user base who are resistant to change, etc. In the end, they have to compromise, or die.
3. The Storm is a Storm. It's not meant to be an iPhone, Omnia, TouchPro, Pre... Blackberry's niche is business oriented users who want to "Just Do It". The Storms "sub-niche" is Business users who also want a bit of fun in their device, who don't have to switch to a "out on the town" or weekend phone. I believe that was the goal, and Storm v1 goes a long way toward achieving that. BUT - it's RIM's first foray into this concept, and the execution is, at least initially, falling short in some areas. Many of the shortcomings will be fixed with updates over time. Many more should be fixed in the Storms successor.
4. A watched kettle never boils, and a watched message board never produces an new OS leak. If you are hitting refresh every 5 minutes on CrackBerry waiting for an OS leak to drop, hours seem like weeks. That's normal for many of us But don't freak out and post the 1001'st thread of "when is the next update?" or "what's gonna be in the next update?". The phones not even 2 months old yet and we've had a lot more OS updates available to us than WinMo or Apple would have in the same period. Take two beers and chill with some friends, check back in the morning.
<RANT MODE OFF>Last edited by fcortese; 01-10-09 at 02:40 PM.
01-10-09 02:33 PM - Yikes.. I remember those... They never made pants for some reason..like this company. what ever happned to their product? i was never cool enough to own one sadly
Hypercolor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I had something brilliant to say about the OP, but I've been up for 36 hours and forgot it. GN01-10-09 02:43 PM - This made my day. I agree 100% (Typing on my storm now)This thread is needed - it makes a good point...
<RANT MODE ON>
Some thoughts for all the angry and hyper people in here:
1. You want to have a cutting edge device, but don't want to grin and bear the growing pains? The two are mutually exclusive. Don't want trouble - get a legacy device. Like to tweak a bit and / or have the latest and greatest - deal with the downsides.
1-A. You want to use leaked beta OS's, but don't want to grin and bear the growing pains? The two are mutually exclusive.
1-B. You got a cutting edge device, but decided that you didn't want to grin and bear the growing pains? No problem - most of the community understands. BUT - Don't come on this board all angry and indignant about the phone "sucking", and how your're going to go out and get a real phone when you buy a SuperMegaPhone 2000XL from Wonderful Wireless Co., and flame those of us who want the device and are willing to deal with the bleeding edge.
2. RIM isn't evil. No self respecting design engineer or software engineer want's anything other than a solid, well thought out, dependable product to put their name on. BUT, RIM is a public company who has to deal with the shareholders and board who want a 10% increase in profit each quarter, carriers who want lots of wow and a 1.9 year lifespan, competitors racing to the market with new product quarterly with which you must compete, an existing user base who are resistant to change, etc. In the end, they have to compromise, or die.
3. The Storm is a Storm. It's not meant to be an iPhone, Omnia, TouchPro, Pre... Blackberry's niche is business oriented users who want to "Just Do It". The Storms "sub-niche" is Business users who also want a bit of fun in their device, who don't have to switch to a "out on the town" or weekend phone. I believe that was the goal, and Storm v1 goes a long way toward achieving that. BUT - it's RIM's first foray into this concept, and the execution is, at least initially, falling short in some areas. Many of the shortcomings will be fixed with updates over time. Many more should be fixed in the Storms successor.
4. A watched kettle never boils, and a watched message board never produces an new OS leak. If you are hitting refresh every 5 minutes on CrackBerry waiting for an OS leak to drop, hours seem like weeks. That's normal for many of us But don't freak out and post the 1001'st thread of "when is the next update?" or "what's gonna be in the next update?". The phones not even 2 months old yet and we've had a lot more OS updates available to us than WinMo or Apple would have in the same period. Take two beers and chill with some friends, check back in the morning.
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