Is BIS better than BES for 3rd Party Apps?
- I purchase my BB Storm about 2 weeks ago and had it provision on my corporate BES within a couple of days. After that I installed some 3rd party apps like Weatherbug and Opera Mini. Both of these apps never quite worked perfectly for my. Some of Weatherbug's features were bounced by the corporate Websense policy and Opera Mini never connected via socket so I had to rely on the slower HTTP connection.
Well last night I returned my Storm for a new model due to hardware issues and I have not yet had my Storm provisioned for BES yet. Wouldn't you know it though both Weatherbug and Opera Mini are working fine now. I expected Weatherbug to be ok but I didn't know that BES was the reason why I couldn't get a socket connection for Opera Mini. So it got me thinking, are most apps configured for BIS?01-06-09 09:03 AMLike 0 - BIS is better for a personal use device. BES policies are controlled by your jobs IT and they can choose to block whatever they want. It sounds like you're using your device for work though so you are going to get provisioned on BES anyway. It's not a matter of BIS/BES configuration of apps it's a matter of how your BES is configured.01-06-09 09:06 AMLike 0
- I agree. I had to be removed from the BES for that very reason.It isn't just 3rd party apps. I was unable to use BBM. What isn't often realized is that IT doesn't so much block content as they neglect to allow it. They need to go into the settings of the BES and set to allow. Good luck!
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com01-06-09 09:13 AMLike 0 - BIS is better for a personal use device. BES policies are controlled by your jobs IT and they can choose to block whatever they want. It sounds like you're using your device for work though so you are going to get provisioned on BES anyway. It's not a matter of BIS/BES configuration of apps it's a matter of how your BES is configured.01-06-09 10:28 AMLike 0
- I agree. I had to be removed from the BES for that very reason.It isn't just 3rd party apps. I was unable to use BBM. What isn't often realized is that IT doesn't so much block content as they neglect to allow it. They need to go into the settings of the BES and set to allow. Good luck!
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com01-06-09 10:33 AMLike 0 - My BES admin gives us the option. If we have a company issue we play by company rules. If I buy my phone and just let the company pay the monthly service bill, I get an open IT policy. Everyone says they can see everything, but who is going to go in and analyze activity on 20,000 phones.
I am sure they would allow us to do anything that could be harmful to the network, but I have never ran accross a website I can't open, even ones I can't open on my computer I can open on my BB. They don't lock any features down if it is our own device. Talk to your BES admin. He CAN make seperate IT policies for each phone, it just is getting him to take the time to do it that is tough.01-06-09 01:45 PMLike 0 - Wait, I'm a neophyte. How can they see calls and such just from being on BES if they don't get the bill? Don't they just see activity on their MDS network?01-06-09 02:41 PMLike 0
- I'm sorry, I don't mean to be an i.dio.t (funny, I can't insult myself on Crackberry!), I'm just failing to understand why things like phone calls and SMS messages that don't traverse their MDS network (unlike, say, email messages and inter/intranet content) would be visible on the BES?01-06-09 02:54 PMLike 0
- Can someone verify something for me?
I was told that all of your browser/data features are not controlled via BES? Once the device is provisioned on BES I get another (company) browser that uses MDS and I still have my regular Internet Browser. I was told that it depends on how your browser is configured (which browser to use) that will dictate the governing IT policy? Does this mean that only data through the company (MDS) browser is controlled while my regular Internet browser is unrestricted. I'm confused?01-06-09 06:11 PMLike 0 - Interesting discussion and food for thought. I was provisioned by my company for 2 weeks and I used the "Internet Browser" after I started seeing Websense authentication requests using the "Blackberry Browser".
I believed the only thing that my company sees is the corporate emails and maybe BB Messages. Is it true that they see "everything"!01-06-09 06:58 PMLike 0 - I'm sorry, I don't mean to be an i.dio.t (funny, I can't insult myself on Crackberry!), I'm just failing to understand why things like phone calls and SMS messages that don't traverse their MDS network (unlike, say, email messages and inter/intranet content) would be visible on the BES?01-06-09 07:45 PMLike 0
- yep the phone reports everything back to the BES. no way to stop it.
they can see
phone calls made, to who, from who, how long, time and date they were placed, etc.
sms messages sent and received, to who, from who, time and date AND THE CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE
pin messages sent and recevied, to who, from who, time and date, and the content of the pin message
they can also see all the websites you browse using the blackberry browser. I am not sure if they get a log of the internet browser, i will have to check my server.
just because it doesnt go through MDS/BES doesnt mean the phoen doesnt report the websites visited. just like sms doesnt go through bes, but bes still gets a reporty.
this is why i tell people u dont want your personal phone on bes.01-06-09 07:53 PMLike 0 -
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Abigfish01-06-09 09:25 PMLike 0 - yes you can downgrade your plan.
i am my own bes admin so i have myself on the lowest it policy which allows everything. but if i wasnt and i had to use one of the more restrictive it policies, i would dump bes on my personal phone then for sure.
to be honest, if that was the case, i personally would switch back to winmo. i need my push e-mail, my ota contact syncs, etc. i wouldnt be able to go without it.
as far as the logging, i think its a little extreme, you should be able to turn it off for certain devices. like my boss would never get a blackberry if he knew i could read all his sms messages.01-07-09 05:17 PMLike 0 -
The only downside is that no OTA contact sync or e-mail lookup and I have to add an extra invite to all my meetings so that I can accept it on my calendar. Definitely a drawback BUT the upside seems to outweigh those minor issues.01-08-09 08:22 AMLike 0
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