1. Protocol 2001's Avatar
    I just made the mistake of buying an unlocked (previously locked to Fido) Q10 SQN100-3 from Kijiji to activate on my Bell account and am finding my network speed is now limited to the HSPA/3G network. I've posted a Kijiji ad to swap my SQN100-3 for either an unlocked SQN100-1 or one locked to Bell.

    My question however: would an unlocked SQN100-1 still be able to access Rogers'/Fido's LTE network? Or would they have similar issues as I'm having with my SQN100-3 on the Bell network with LTE?
    12-31-13 10:52 PM
  2. raino's Avatar
    Rogers has two LTE networks: 1700 and 2600, but they chose to carry the SQN100-3 primarily. I think you will be ok with a SQN100-1 though, because it's comparable to the Z10 Rogers carries.
    12-31-13 11:35 PM
  3. Protocol 2001's Avatar
    Perhaps a better question to pose than would be: does anyone have the SQN100-1 on the Rogers network and can connect to the Rogers LTE network?
    12-31-13 11:43 PM
  4. Kris Simundson's Avatar
    Sqn100-1 was for Rogers Manitoba LTE network. They deploy LTE in Manitoba on 1900/2100 x 2(20mhz) frequencies to achieve the same affect as their 2600LTE Max network. A 100-1 would only connect to LTE in other areas not deployed with the 2600mhz band

    Sent from my Yellow Nokia Lumia 1020
    01-01-14 12:22 AM
  5. Protocol 2001's Avatar
    I see. So, has anyone tried the SQN100-1 on Rogers in Toronto? Did you get to use the LTE network?
    01-01-14 12:48 AM
  6. Kris Simundson's Avatar
    Toronto is the 2600Mhz spectrum, you will not get LTE with the 100-1 there on Rogers

    Sent from my Yellow Nokia Lumia 1020
    01-01-14 01:44 AM
  7. Protocol 2001's Avatar
    Indeed, that is the response I'm expecting. Does anyone have a SQN100-1 on the Rogers network in Toronto and can confirm that?
    01-01-14 01:53 AM
  8. raino's Avatar
    Toronto is the 2600Mhz spectrum, you will not get LTE with the 100-1 there on Rogers
    Are you sure about that? That would mean STL100-3s would not be getting Rogers LTE in Toronto, and everyone there would have to have a STL100-2 for LTE.
    01-01-14 01:55 AM
  9. Kris Simundson's Avatar
    Are you sure about that? That would mean STL100-3s would not be getting Rogers LTE in Toronto, and everyone there would have to have a STL100-2 for LTE.





    positive, I had the -3 initially in Manitoba and couldn't get LTE. They specifically got the -1 for Manitoba and -3 for rest of Canada.




    edit: the -3 receives LTE on 1700/2100/2600

    The -1 recieves LTE on HSPA190/2100 for Manitoba only.

    Trust me i almost filed a suit against Rogers for false advertising and misleading a customer.

    Lucky for them, wireless wave is awesome and replaced my -3 with a -1 no questions asked, even after I was outside the exchange period.



    Sent from my Yellow Nokia Lumia 1020
    01-01-14 02:03 AM
  10. anon(870071)'s Avatar
    I just made the mistake of buying an unlocked (previously locked to Fido) Q10 SQN100-3 from Kijiji to activate on my Bell account and am finding my network speed is now limited to the HSPA/3G network. I've posted a Kijiji ad to swap my SQN100-3 for either an unlocked SQN100-1 or one locked to Bell.

    My question however: would an unlocked SQN100-1 still be able to access Rogers'/Fido's LTE network? Or would they have similar issues as I'm having with my SQN100-3 on the Bell network with LTE?
    The 3 version only uses rogers lte max 2600mhz network and only rogers has that band in canada restricted to only major city centre's. The 1 version is compatible with all NA lte carriers!

    Posted Via CB10/SQN100-3 luvn leak 10.2.1.1055
    01-01-14 03:05 AM
  11. Protocol 2001's Avatar
    It seems this thread is starting to go in circles with over discussing the 3 and it's compatibility issues on other LTE networks. I feel like we have this part of the discussion down pat.

    Does anyone have a 1 version in Toronto (or any other city with the LTE Max / 2600 Mhz spectrum) on the Rogers network? Can you access the LTE network with it?
    Last edited by Protocol 2001; 01-01-14 at 12:07 PM.
    01-01-14 10:42 AM
  12. amnesia's Avatar
    It seems this thread is starting to go in circles with over discussing the 3 and it's compatibility issues on other LTE networks. I feel like we have this part of the discussion down pat.

    Does anyone have a 1 version in Toronto (or any other city with the LTE Max / 2600 Mhz spectrum) on the Rogers network? Can you access the LTE network with it?
    I agree, it's going in circles.

    I am in the same position as you are. I'm in Vancouver on Rogers and am waiting for an SQN100-1 from AT&T that I bought on E-bay. From all my research so far, it seems that Rogers here has 2 LTE frequencies: their "regular" LTE and their "LTE MAX" (2600 Mhz). They are obviously pushing their LTE MAX service, but on their coverage map they show LTE 75 Mbps as well as LTE 150 Mbps. From what I gather, the only LTE frequencies Rogers currently uses are 1700 Mhz & 2600 Mhz. This is a bit confusing as they sometimes show their LTE frequencies as 2600, & AWS 1700/2100. I'm not sure what this means but I found something on the net that seemed to indicate that this is really just another name for 1700 but I'm not sure. Other posts indicated that it's bi-directional (1700 for upload, and 2100 for download or something like that)

    If they truly use 1700 for "regular" LTE, then the SQN-100-1 should work fine on Rogers LTE. In fact, you could make the argument that it might even be better, as there is better "regular LTE" coverage that LTE MAX, and it would seem that in areas where there is no LTE MAX, the SQN 100-3 would fall back to HSPA+ since it isn't capable of 1700 LTE. This might be especially problematic if you are inside concrete buildings far from LTE MAX enabled towers (since apparently 1700 Mhz has better penetration). Where I work in "the burbs" I don't even know if they have LTE MAX 2600 so I might be way better off with the SQN 100-1.

    Some evidence that would go along with this is the fact that Rogers sells the SNQ 100-1 for business users who "frequently roam to the US" but don't advertise this fact. I doubt that Rogers would sell a Q10 that wasn't capable of ANY LTE on their own network.

    One disadvantage I can see with the SQN 100-1 is it might have trouble in Europe if it doesn't get the LTE frequencies there and has to fall back to HSPA+ because it's missing the 900Mhz HSPA+ capability. This might mean that it will fall back to Edge! It's amazing that Blackberry didn't make a true "world version" of the Q10

    I will update this post as soon as mine arrives in a week. BTW, where do you guys get your Q10's unlocked. All the posts I read seem to indicate that unlocking Q10's is more complicated than I'm used to on the old BB's, and it seems that all the BB10 unlockers have their "sketchy side" ("network problems", don't answer e-mails, wrong codes using up valuable attempts, multiple codes delivered,etc, etc) I used to use Horizonwirelessonline who were great, but I see they are gone.

    Regards
    Amnesia
    01-01-14 01:19 PM
  13. raino's Avatar
    It doesn't have to be this complicated.

    Rogers, nationwide, sells only one model of the Z10: the RFF91LW STL100-3, which has the following bands:

    LTE 700/850/1700/1900 HSPA+ 800/850/1900/2100

    And here, for comparison are the specs for the SQN100-1:

    LTE 700/850/1700/1900, HSPA+ 800/850/1900/2100

    If people in Toronto get LTE on their Z10s, then they will also get LTE on the SQN100-1. And we know that the first part is true.
    01-01-14 01:33 PM
  14. Protocol 2001's Avatar
    If people in Toronto get LTE on their Z10s, then they will also get LTE on the SQN100-1.
    Do you know if the Z10s get the LTE Max? It seems SQN100-3 is specifically designed for LTE Max since it has the 2600Mhz spectrum support.
    01-01-14 02:20 PM
  15. Protocol 2001's Avatar
    I doubt that Rogers would sell a Q10 that wasn't capable of ANY LTE on their own network.
    Let us know if your SQN100-1 can get LTE on the Rogers network once it's been unlocked, please!

    BTW, where do you guys get your Q10's unlocked.
    I just unlocked a Q10 SQN100-3 originally locked to Fido for $35 from MobileInCanada It took nearly 48 hours, so you need to be patient. I've also unlocked a Galaxy SII through that website for $20. Hopefully with it being from AT&T won't affect the eligibility, since technically it's now illegal to unlocked phones in the US.
    01-01-14 02:24 PM
  16. raino's Avatar
    Do you know if the Z10s get the LTE Max? It seems SQN100-3 is specifically designed for LTE Max since it has the 2600Mhz spectrum support.
    The STL100-2 Z10 would get it. That's the one sold in Europe, Australia, etc; it's not "native" to NA. But the trade-off is LTE 1700--it does not have this band.
    01-01-14 02:52 PM
  17. anon(870071)'s Avatar
    yes agreed it is going in circles! And whether you choose version 1 or 3 it depends where you will bew using the phone and as far as I know bell only is compatible with version 1. Perhaps someone can do a trade with you!?

    Posted Via CB10/SQN100-3 luvn leak 10.2.1.1055
    01-01-14 03:13 PM
  18. amnesia's Avatar
    Here's a couple of interesting links that seem to clear up the confusion about Rogers LTE service and frequencies:

    PSA: Clearing up the Rogers BlackBerry Q10 LTE confusion | CrackBerry.com

    Rogers Data Plans and LTE Frequency / Korean Galaxy Note compatability

    Read the second reference carefully. When you get down where they show the pictures of the frequency chart they explain the 1700/2100 confusion. Here's some useful quotes from these posts:


    "People on HowardForums like to insist that Band 4 should only be called 1700 MHz, but operators (and vendors) will refer to it as 2100 MHz internally (I know Bell and Telus do this, and apparently Rogers does as well).
    Easiest way to avoid confusion is to reference the band number."

    LTE Band 4 (AWS) and UMTS Band IV (AWS), which is the paired spectrum in 1710-1755MHz and 2110-2155MHz...


    The issue with the confusion lies in the "paired spectrum" in the AWS band vs the "core" ITU band for UMTS and LTE in FDD mode:

    UMTS Band IV (AWS) / LTE Band 4 (AWS): 1710-1755MHz for the uplink and 2110-2155MHz for the downlink
    UMTS Band I (2100) / LTE Band 1 (2100): 1920-1980MHz for the uplink and 2110-2170MHz for the downlink"

    "I found this on the rogers site:

    Based on Rogers 2600 MHz spectrum available in majority of sectors within Rogers LTE coverage areas; in sectors where 2600 MHz is not available, device will seamlessly fallback to 2100 MHz."

    I hope this helps. I'll definitely try MobileInCanada. It was on my list of sites with "not too many complaints".

    Others I was considering: "quickphoneunlock.com" and "freemyblackberry.com"
    01-01-14 03:16 PM
  19. Protocol 2001's Avatar
    The STL100-2 Z10 would get it.
    But the STL100-3-Z10 wouldn't? That phone (the only one Rogers cells) would only get LTE but not the new LTE Max?
    01-01-14 03:30 PM
  20. raino's Avatar
    But the STL100-3-Z10 wouldn't? That phone (the only one Rogers cells) would only get LTE but not the new LTE Max?
    Correct. The STL100-2 (and SQN100-3) get the 2600 LTE (aka LTE Max,) while the STL100-3 (and SQN100-1) get the "regular" LTE on the 1700 network. The SQN100-5 is just as good as the -1 on Rogers: 1700 LTE, no 2600.

    The best of both worlds is the Z30 STA100-5.

    Here are a couple of great threads that list all frequencies for all models of the Z10 and the Q10:

    Q10: http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...encies-798804/
    Z10: http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...encies-775253/
    01-01-14 03:44 PM
  21. amnesia's Avatar
    Here's a nice chart that includes the frequencies as well as the band numbers:

    BlackBerry Q10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    01-01-14 03:57 PM
  22. Kris Simundson's Avatar
    Correct. The STL100-2 (and SQN100-3) get the 2600 LTE (aka LTE Max,) while the STL100-3 (and SQN100-1) get the "regular" LTE on the 1700 network. The SQN100-5 is just as good as the -1 on Rogers: 1700 LTE, no 2600.

    The best of both worlds is the Z30 STA100-5.

    Here are a couple of great threads that list all frequencies for all models of the Z10 and the Q10:

    Q10: http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...encies-798804/
    Z10: http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...encies-775253/
    The real problem lies with how carriers spew their terminology. That's why all of this is so confusing.

    Because the sqn100-1 does indeed get LTE Max (however not on the 2600mhz spectrum and only in Manitoba). As far as I know, IF Toronto has both LTE and LTE max rolled out there, than theoretically the sqn100-1 should get LTE. (75mbps norm, 150mbps max (theoretical speeds))





    Sent from my GT-P5210 using Tapatalk
    01-01-14 04:49 PM
  23. Protocol 2001's Avatar
    Interesting chat here. So am I right in drawing these conclusions:
    • Rogers, Bell, and Telus are all building a LTE network on the 2600 spectrum. Rogers is calling theirs "LTE Max". Only the 100-3 works on this network.
    • Bell and Telus currently have a LTE network which runs on the 1900 spectrum. Only the 100-1 works on this network.
    • Rogers has a LTE network that runs on the 1700/2100 spectrum. Only the 100-1 works on this network.
    • Bell, Telus, and Rogers all have a HSPA+ network that runs on the 800/850/1900/2100 spectrum. Both the 100-3 and the 100-1 work on this network.
    • The 100-1 also supports LTE 700 and LTE 850 but these bands aren't used by either Bell, Rogers, or Telus
    • The 100-3 also supports LTE 800, LTE 900, and LTE 1800 but these bands aren't used by either Bell, Rogers, or Telus
    • The 100-3 also supports HSPA+ UTMS 900 band but this band isn't used by either Bell, Rogers, or Telus


    It would be interesting to find out exactly what HSPA+ bands the 3 big carriers use?

    It would also be interesting to see where HSPA fits in with the bands for the big 3. My 100-3 on the Bell network is only getting "H" whereas I would expect it to be showing "H+". My initial thoughts were perhaps 800/850/1900 were HSPA and 2100 was HSPA+ but that doesn't quite make sense since both the 100-1 and the 100-3 support 2100 so I should be getting "H+" based on that reasoning. The 100-3 supports all the HSPA+ bands as the 100-1 (plus the bonus UTMS 900 band) yet for some reason I'm only getting "H". Go figure?!

    Bell and Telus both advertise 2 HSPA+ networks. Rogers only advertises 1. Bell and Telus advertise their 3G/EVDO/Digital PCS/1X/1xRTT which I presume are the old CDMA networks. Rogers has the EDGE which is their old GSM network.
    Last edited by Protocol 2001; 01-01-14 at 06:13 PM.
    01-01-14 06:01 PM
  24. raino's Avatar
    Rogers, Bell, and Telus are all building a LTE network on the 2600 spectrum. Rogers is calling theirs "LTE Max". Only the 100-3 works on this network.
    AFAIK, it's just Rogers and to a lesser degree, Bell that have deployed 2600 MHz spectrum as LTE. I'm south of your border, so my knowledge of deployments may not be the most up to date.

    Bell and Telus currently have a LTE network which runs on the 1900 spectrum. Only the 100-1 works on this network.
    It's on the 1700 MHz (AWS) spectrum. This is in addition to Bell's 2600 MHz (Telus, AFAIK, only has a 1700 LTE network.) The 100-1 and the 100-5 are the all-GSM Q10s that work on this (1700) network. 100-5 is the one sold by AWS carriers (Wind, Mobilicity, etc.) and is also sold unlocked by BlackBerry.

    Rogers has a LTE network that runs on the 1700/2100 spectrum. Only the 100-1 works on this network.
    See reply to previous point.

    Bell, Telus, and Rogers all have a HSPA+ network that runs on the 800/850/1900/2100 spectrum. Both the 100-3 and the 100-1 work on this network.
    The HSPA+ networks are actually on just the 850 and 1900 MHz spectrum. All Q10s work on these two HSPA+ networks.

    The 100-1 also supports LTE 700 and LTE 850 but these bands aren't used by either Bell, Rogers, or Telus
    AFAIK, Correct.

    The 100-3 also supports LTE 800, LTE 900, and LTE 1800 but these bands aren't used by either Bell, Rogers, or Telus
    AFAIK, Correct. LTE 1800 is more of a "non-North American" band.

    The 100-3 also supports HSPA+ UTMS 900 band but this band isn't used by either Bell, Rogers, or Telus
    Correct. Another "non-North American" band.

    It would be interesting to find out exactly what HSPA+ bands the 3 big carriers use, and which are HSPA vs. HSPA+. Any ideas?
    Bell, Rogers, and Telus all use 850 MHz and 1900 MHz for HSPA+. Telus does not have a GSM 3G (HSPA) network, and I believe neither does Bell. Rogers is a true GSM network (using the same 850/1900 for HSPA.)
    01-01-14 06:18 PM
  25. Protocol 2001's Avatar
    It's on the 1700 MHz (AWS) spectrum. This is in addition to Bell's 2600 MHz (Telus, AFAIK, only has a 1700 LTE network.)
    The 100-1 has a LTE 1900 band which is similar to the LTE 700, LTE 800, LTE 850, LTE 900, and LTE 1800 which are all not used by Bell, Rogers, or Telus?

    This then also means the 2nd "LTE" network on Rogers (which they call the 2100) is actually the UMTS 1900 network and is fact a HSPA+ network and not true LTE (per Kris' comments earlier on)?

    If this is the case, than the 100-3 would not get LTE outside of Rogers and Bell's (limited) LTE 2600, but would be bumped down to the HSPA+/1900 on all 3 carriers. The 100-1 would get LTE 1700 on Bell and Telus and the "fake LTE" on Rogers (UTMS 1900).

    What network do you think I'm getting on my 100-3 on the Bell network when it says "H" then? Based on our conversation thus far it seems that I should only get "H+" or nothing (since Bell doesn't support a GSM/EDGE/HSPA network). Unless HSPA+/UTMS 850 actually shows on the 100-3 as "H"? Which would then suggest there's an issue with the network or the device since I should be able to get the HSPA+/UTMS 1900.
    01-01-14 06:46 PM
35 12

Similar Threads

  1. Can you have the same BBM account on multiple accounts?
    By faithfuluser in forum General BBM Chat
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 10-09-16, 10:14 PM
  2. Company green light on Z30 for me
    By jhimmel in forum BlackBerry Z30
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 01-11-14, 09:51 AM
  3. Side-loading on a Z10
    By AlexB1227 in forum BlackBerry 10 Apps
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 01-01-14, 11:05 AM
  4. Do i have to use BES with my new Q10? (Rogers)
    By ramsrule45 in forum BlackBerry Q10
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 12-31-13, 09:38 PM
  5. Will the playbook mini keyboard work on our Z30?
    By silverbullet in forum BlackBerry Z30
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 12-31-13, 05:28 PM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD