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- What's REALLY annoying about BB10 is that you HAVE to wipe the device in order to remove the BBID from the phone, which of course in the process would wipe countless hours worth of setting up the right apk's, etc.
On Android, just go into Settings -> Accounts and delete the Google account and the device is free.
Or just don't use BBID, BBM, BlackBerry World, etc.
From the screen of my trusty Z10 using the exceptional BlackBerry VKB.app_Developer likes this.11-14-19 06:05 PMLike 1 - It's a feature, not a bug. It ties the device to a single accountable individual, which is what corporate IT managers wanted. When used properly with endpoint management, even wiping the phone won't allow you to change the BBID. That's the whole point.
Or just don't use BBID, BBM, BlackBerry World, etc.
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No excuse.11-14-19 07:34 PMLike 0 -
BBID then evolved to become more than that, but it was too late to extricate from those legacy platforms.Last edited by conite; 11-14-19 at 08:41 PM.
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From the screen of my trusty Z10 using the exceptional BlackBerry VKB.11-14-19 08:38 PMLike 0 -
Again, why should I need to wipe my device and lose everything in order to remove the BBID, instead of just removing it from the settings (after entering my PIN and BBID password, of course)11-14-19 09:17 PMLike 0 -
It's a fundamentally different security model than Android, and, in my opinion, a much better one.
From the screen of my trusty Z10 using the exceptional BlackBerry VKB.11-14-19 09:21 PMLike 0 - Because the BBID is the "authorized user" of the phone, not just an account like with Android. If the phone is assigned to a new user, there must be a guarantee that all data has been removed.
It's a fundamentally different security model than Android, and, in my opinion, a much better one.
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Laura Knotek likes this.11-15-19 03:47 AMLike 1 - I'm thinking they're pretty similar. Last I checked, a Google account works just like BBID - if it's still on the device a new user can't sign in without the previous user's password, the prior owner needs to remove their account or give out their account password. It's possible to circumvent it if root exists for the device, but rooting will remove all data anyway. This is not to say which is better, just that they're much more alike than not.
On Android, the underlying user data is not destroyed when the Google account is simply removed. It's not available directly to apps or through the file manager, but it could be recovered with appropriate forensic tools.
BlackBerry's goal was to guarantee that any transfer of the device from one account to another required a full reset.
That may not be how an individual consumer wants to use their device, in which case, BB10 can't meet that requirement. But it was designed to ensure that one employee couldn'ttransfer their device to another person without the IT team's consent and a complete security wipe.of the device.
From the screen of my trusty Z10 using the exceptional BlackBerry VKB.11-15-19 10:02 AMLike 0 - As I understand it, the difference is this:
On Android, the underlying user data is not destroyed when the Google account is simply removed. It's not available directly to apps or through the file manager, but it could be recovered with appropriate forensic tools.
BlackBerry's goal was to guarantee that any transfer of the device from one account to another required a full reset.
That may not be how an individual consumer wants to use their device, in which case, BB10 can't meet that requirement. But it was designed to ensure that one employee couldn'ttransfer their device to another person without the IT team's consent and a complete security wipe.of the device.
From the screen of my trusty Z10 using the exceptional BlackBerry VKB.
BBM/BBID was initially tied to a specific piece of hardware. Whether it was only expedient to do this, or whether there was some inherent security design mandate for this is unknown.
In any event, BBM was never able to extricate itself from being tied to the hardware on BB10 per its existing back-end infrastructure at the time.
Only later did BBM become tied to BBID instead of hardware PIN when it went cross-platform. At that point, it was too late to redesign BB10.
On another note, a Google account on an Android phone behaves like BlackBerry Protect on BB10. If you wipe a device with an active Google account, it won't let you in again without those credentials. If you wipe without an account, it's all yours.11-15-19 10:16 AMLike 0 - Like I mentioned before, this is a legacy technical limitation.
BBM/BBID was initially tied to a specific piece of hardware. Whether it was only expedient to do this, or whether there was some inherent security design mandate for this is unknown.
In any event, BBM was never able to extricate itself from being tied to the hardware on BB10 per its existing back-end infrastructure at the time.
Only later did BBM become tied to BBID instead of hardware PIN when it went cross-platform. At that point, it was too late to redesign BB10.
On another note, a Google account on an Android phone behaves like BlackBerry Protect on BB10. If you wipe a device with an active Google account, it won't let you in again without those credentials. If you wipe without an account, it's all yours.
Back in the 00s, BlackBerry sold the ability to tie a device to an individual as a core selling feature. and when BB10 was released, they kept that function as a differentiator against the iPhone so that their loyal IT fans could provide it to their procurement teams as a requirement to lock out Apple and Android.11-15-19 10:31 AMLike 0 - As I understand it, the difference is this:
On Android, the underlying user data is not destroyed when the Google account is simply removed. It's not available directly to apps or through the file manager, but it could be recovered with appropriate forensic tools.
BlackBerry's goal was to guarantee that any transfer of the device from one account to another required a full reset.
That may not be how an individual consumer wants to use their device, in which case, BB10 can't meet that requirement. But it was designed to ensure that one employee couldn'ttransfer their device to another person without the IT team's consent and a complete security wipe.of the device.
From the screen of my trusty Z10 using the exceptional BlackBerry VKB.Laura Knotek likes this.11-15-19 01:05 PMLike 1 -
I'm not sure how this really changes anything anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Laura Knotek likes this.11-15-19 01:21 PMLike 1 -
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From the screen of my trusty Z10 using the exceptional BlackBerry VKB.Laura Knotek and app_Developer like this.11-15-19 04:55 PMLike 2 - Exactly, prior to BBLtd publishing this information, from these forums I was under the impression that there about 10,000 BBOS and OS10 users remaining and that all associated personnel fired and buildings sold off, evidently that wasn't true so take whatever you read here with a grain of salt. Keep in mind most posters here are anonymous and you have no idea why they're posting what they're posting - and this goes for board owners and moderators.
Posted via CB1011-16-19 02:22 AMLike 0 - I'm still very much pleased with my Q10. The only real issue I have is how often every browser I have refuses to open sites due to certificate problems...
I still plan on being solidly in the camp of preferring the secure intuitive OS over the kludge & privacy nightmare called android!
Just my $.02, YMMV ! ;-) sent via my Q1011-18-19 11:38 AMLike 0 -
I expect some places BB10 devices might have been more common. But bottom line is they only sold 12 million of them, so it's little wonder that are a rarity. IT has had three years to phase out BB10, I rather doubt the idea that there are some BB10 customers that have pushed BlackBerry to delay the "end". I think two years ago BlackBerry mistakenly hoped that most BlackBerry users would have embraced the TCL phones and shutting down BBOS/BB10 would have been a minor issue for a small number of users two years later. Well clearly that didn't happen....
Cost to keep those servers up isn't cheaper than the negative impact of cutting off people today. At some point they'll look at it and decide to pull the plug... might be five months, or another five years.11-18-19 11:56 AMLike 0 - That's me as well.
I expect some places BB10 devices might have been more common. But bottom line is they only sold 12 million of them, so it's little wonder that are a rarity. IT has had three years to phase out BB10, I rather doubt the idea that there are some BB10 customers that have pushed BlackBerry to delay the "end". I think two years ago BlackBerry mistakenly hoped that most BlackBerry users would have embraced the TCL phones and shutting down BBOS/BB10 would have been a minor issue for a small number of users two years later. Well clearly that didn't happen....
Cost to keep those servers up isn't cheaper than the negative impact of cutting off people today. At some point they'll look at it and decide to pull the plug... might be five months, or another five years.
I agree that there probably aren't many organizations who are still committed to BB10, but there may be one or more critical ones willing to pay for the backend support. I have a suspicion of at least one government organization still using BB10 as their only certified handset for internal comunications, but I'm not willing to share it, and I may be completely wrong in any case.
From the screen of my trusty Z10 using the exceptional BlackBerry VKB.11-18-19 05:07 PMLike 0
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